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New data as of July 1st 2003:

Minneapolis - St. Paul, MN-WI MSA

2003: 3,083,637

2000: 2,968,806

Minneapolis - St. Paul - St. Cloud, MN-WI CSA

2003: 3,398,409

2000: 3,271,888

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1 New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA 21,766,731

2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA 17,262,730

3 Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA 9,549,014

4 Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-WV-VA CSA 7,914,628

5 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7,154,350

6 Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 5,922,253

7 Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH CSA 5,815,222

8 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA 5,448,730

9 Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA 5,415,339

10 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL MSA 5,288,796

OTHERS

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta MSA 4,610,032

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA 3,593,408

Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, Everett WA MSA: 3,141,777

Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI MSA 3,083,637

Cleveland MSA 2,944,275

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA 2,930,886

Denver-Aurora, CO MSA 2,301,096

Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV CSA 2,115,019

Cincinnati MSA Total: 2,052,333

Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA 2,040,258

Kansas City MO-KS MSA 1,843,550

Columbus MSA 1,674,598

Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA MSA 1,623,172

Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC MSA 1,613,465

Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV CSA 1,612,258

Indianapolis MSA 1,595,377

Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT CSA 1,518,678

Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT CSA 1,290,557

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Florida's top 10, 2003 metro estimates

1. Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach = 5,288,796

+281,232

2. Tampa-St. Petersburg = 2,531,908

+135,911

3. Orlando = 1,802,986

+158,425

4. Jacksonville = 1,202,900

+80,150

5. Sarasota-Bradenton = 633,597

+43,638

6. Daytona Beach = 530,869

+37,694

7. Lakeland-Winter Haven = 510,458

+26,534

8. Brevard County (Melbourne) = 505,711

+29,481

9. Fort Myers = 492,210

+51,322

10. Pensacola = 428,978

+16,825

link: http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/countie...T2003-01-12.pdf

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Your numbers for KC are way off.

From the US Census estimates for each new county plus each old county in our metro. For 2003...

Kansas City Metro= 1,955,777 in 2002

You must take note that we have added several new counties to our metro area.

But that is in 2002, not 2003.

We have 17 counties in our metro area officially.

Which means at the beginning of 2004 our metro area has (estimated) grown to 2,010,484.

View the KC Star's article:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/8260102.htm

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In case you didn't notice, I used MSA numbers and yes KC's was off. KC's MSA is 1,843,550.

Also, I looked at the article and it says that there are now 15 counties in KC's metro. The new counties will be added to KC's CSA figures. I think MSA numbers are a little more realistic than CSA numbers.

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Don't get offended if I didn't add certain cities. I found most of them posted on another site so I'm sorry if I didn't get or have the opportunity to add up every city. Besides, some of these might be wrong anyway (i.e. KC).

Here are some of the sites I used:

http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/countie...-EST2003-01.php

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates...ity/99mfips.txt

http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t29/tab07.pdf

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What is the difference between CSA and MSA?

CSAs basically combine MSAs and Micropolitan Areas in order to meet specified commuting criteria. Micropolitan areas came about to give metropolitan status to more places (i.e. Red Wing, Hutchinson, and a few others within the Twin Cities area).

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Metro's over 800,000

*I don't know if i got them all but i got most of them! :D

1 New York-Newark CSA: 21,766,731

2 Los Angeles CSA: 17,262,730

3 Chicago CSA: 9,549,014

4 Washington D.C. - Baltimore CSA: 7,914,628

5 San Francisco CSA: 7,154,350

6 Philadelphia CSA: 5,922,253

7 Boston CSA: 5,815,222

8 Dallas-Fort Worth CSA: 5,784,645

9 Detroit CSA: 5,415,339

10 Miami MSA: 5,288,796

11 Houston CSA: 5,176,061

12 Atlanta CSA: 4,929,880

13 Seattle CSA: 3,732,959

14 Phoenix MSA: 3,593,408

15 Minneapolis-St. Paul CSA: 3,398,409

16 Cleveland CSA: 2,944,275

17 San Diego MSA: 2,930,886

18 St. Louis CSA: 2,793,856

19 Denver CSA: 2,579,327

20 Tampa-St. Petersburg MSA: 2,531,908

21 Pittsburgh CSA: 2,503,738

22 Sacramento CSA: 2,115,019

23 Cincinnati CSA: 2,089,089

24 Portland MSA: 2,040,258

25 Charlotte CSA: 2,025,541

26 Kansas City CSA: 1,971,911

27 Indianapolis CSA: 1,912,560

28 Columbus CSA: 1,900,497

29 Orlando CSA: 1,861,861

30 San Antonio MSA: 1,820,719

31 Milwaukee CSA: 1,706,597

32 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA: 1,637,251

33 Providence MSA: 1,623,172

34 Las Vegas CSA: 1,612,258

35 Salt Lake City CSA: 1,518,678

36 Nashville CSA: 1,444,500

37 Raleigh-Durham CSA: 1,430,962

38 Austin MSA: 1,377,633

39 New Orleans CSA: 1,361,488

40 Greensboro-Winston-Salem CSA: 1,323,536

41 Louisville CSA: 1,323,199

42 Grand Rapids CSA: 1,294,847

43 Hartford CSA: 1,290,557

44 Grand Rapids: 1,254,847

45 Memphis MSA: 1,239,337

46 Jacksonville MSA: 1,202,900

47 Oklahoma City CSA: 1,200,000

48 Buffalo MSA: 1,159,443

49 Birmingham CSA: 1,150,916

50 Richmond MSA: 1,138,234

51 Rochester CSA: 1,136,401

52 Albany CSA: 1,135,213

53 Dayton CSA: 1,081,946

54 Fresno CSA: 983,788

55 Tulsa CSA: 928,967

56 Honolulu MSA: 902,704

57 Tucson MSA: 892,798

58 Omaha CSA: 829,133

59 Greenville CSA: 818,518

60 Knoxville CSA: 804,915

61 Little Rock CSA: 804,275

A few extra's *there are many others that fall between the 300,000-799,999 range but i didn't feel like doing them all just these.

Allentown MSA: 768,036

Albuquerque MSA: 764,869

Baton Rouge CSA: 745,915

Syracuse CSA: 735,920

Toldeo CSA: 722,627

Columbia CSA: 708,247

Chattanooga CSA: 642,994

Lexington CSA: 623,134

Des Moines CSA: 540,469

Asheville CSA: 411,195

Brownsville CSA: 383,186

Provo/Orem: 376,000

Appleton CSA: 369,294

Salem MSA: 362,990

Anchorage MSA: 339,286

Here are some Canadian CMA's for 2003:

1 Toronto 5,101,600

2 Montreal 3,574,500

3 Vancouver 2,134,300

4 Ottawa-Gatineau 1,132,200

5 Calgary 1,016,600

6 Edmonton 990,500

7 Quebec 705,900

8 Hamilton 702,900

9 Winnipeg 698,200

10 London 457,200

11 Kitchener 444,100

12 St. Catharines 393,600

13 Halifax 377,900

14 Windsor 329,000

15 Victoria 326,700

16 Oshawa 319,300

17 Saskatoon 233,900

18 Regina 197,000

19 St. John's 179,700

20 Sherbrooke 160,900

21 Greater Sudbury 160,300

22 Abbotsford 158,200

23 Kingston 155,500

24 Saguenay 155,100

25 Trois-Rivieres 140,600

26 Saint John 126,200

27 Thunder Bay 125,500

:D Edit: Re calculated Dallas i didnt the do the original number that was posted

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Like one of the only counties KC's CSA has that the MSA doesn't is adjacent to Jackson county, the main part of Kansas City and Independence. Which should be included in the MSA due to its very close location to the urban core of KCMO.

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22 Sacramento CSA: 2,115,019

For some reason it never registers with me that the Sacramento metro is really that big.

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^Well in all honesty i think urbanized area's are a better measure of how big a metro really is some of these CSA's or MSA's are just sprawlzilla's and more suburban in nature and doesn't really give off that "big city" feel. I'm just saying that's the case in general not really pointed any fingers at any one metro. :P

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teshadoh, great work but there are a couple mistakes in there :( plus the census changed some of their estimates for counties in 2002, my city was one of them although they screw the metro/county on their estimates every year which i think i may have explained earlier in the thread and gave examples haha or maybe it was in the Hawaii-Alaska subforum hmm? :( However, great work its very time consuming doing all of that so props to you for all that!

BTW, Here are some of my predictions for some of the next metros/msa's/csa's to reach a million using current growth rates of course its all subject to change & also if borders defining each metro dont change as its hard to predict but here goes:

Fresno - Should already be or will be over 1 million this year

Tucson - Should reach it by 2010-2011 at the latest

Honolulu - Should reach it by sometime in 2012 or as early as late 2011

Omaha - by sometime in 2019

Albuquerque - by sometime in 2019

Tulsa - by late 2020 or mid 2021

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teshadoh, great work but there are a couple mistakes in there :( plus the census changed some of their estimates for counties in 2002, my city was one of them although they screw the metro/county on their estimates every year which i think i may have explained earlier in the thread and gave examples haha or maybe it was in the Hawaii-Alaska subforum hmm? :( However, great work its very time consuming doing all of that so props to you for all that!

BTW, Here are some of my predictions for some of the next metros/msa's/csa's to reach a million using current growth rates of course its all subject to change & also if borders defining each metro dont change as its hard to predict but here goes:

Fresno - Should already be or will be over 1 million this year

Tucson - Should reach it by 2010-2011 at the latest

Honolulu - Should reach it by sometime in 2012 or as early as late 2011

Omaha - by sometime in 2019

Albuquerque - by sometime in 2019

Tulsa - by late 2020 or mid 2021

It wasn't that time consuming - I use GIS software. In addition I used 2003 county population estimates. As for errors please cite an example, I would like to know considering my sources were the census & OBM for metro definitions. The only plausible error I could think of was dissolving the counties based on consolidated, metro, & micro - otherwise in comparing my numbers with those provided by you - they're right on.

Remember, whenever possible I used consolidated boundaries.

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Here are a few examples to check over just in case using the new CSA definitions:

Washington D.C. - Baltimore CSA: 7,914,628 instead of 7,909,664

Detroit CSA: 5,415,339 instead of 5,415,338

Denver CSA: 2,579,327 instead of 2,537,178

Also a couple estimates were scaled back for 2002 but it doesnt matter the census gets nuts like that.

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^Well in all honesty i think urbanized area's are a better measure of how big a metro really is some of these CSA's or MSA's are just sprawlzilla's and more suburban in nature and doesn't really give off that "big city" feel. I'm just saying that's the case in general not really pointed any fingers at any one metro. :P

The census bureau--or at least the OMB page which defines what constitutes msa's and csa's--also says that csa's and msa's should not be compared for statistical purposes.

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Here are a few examples to check over just in case using the new CSA definitions:

Washington D.C. - Baltimore CSA: 7,914,628 instead of 7,909,664

Detroit CSA: 5,415,339 instead of 5,415,338

Denver CSA: 2,579,327 instead of 2,537,178

Also a couple estimates were scaled back for 2002 but it doesnt matter the census gets nuts like that.

Ah I see, I wasn't aware of those figures.

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Haha...the Detroit CSA has one more person using the new definitions. Actually, the scary thing about the Detroit CSA is that 26,051 left the CSA between 2000 & 2003. Fortunately, that number is offset by the immigrants coming in, so the CSA actually saw a very slight rise. Growth here is next to nothing...every day some new company announces layoffs in Michigan. We've got the highest unemployment in the country. :(

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Kansas City CSA Stats for 2000-2010:

2000 1,901,070

2001 1,928,051

2002 1,955,777

2003 1,971,911

2004 1,988,080

2005 2,004,382

2006 2,020,818

2007 2,037,389

2008 2,054,096

2009 2,070,939

2010 2,087,921

That is accurate since the inner core of our metro averages 10,000-14,000 housing permits every year.

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