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The planning for this project started 10+ years ago. MDOT has had funding issues all thru this time.  MDOT has mislead folks by talking about adding lanes and widening when all the work stops where the ramps go left and right.  Yes, they are adding length to the WB to NB lane and adding breakdown lanes.  To add a third thru lane over the 131 lanes would  make the project at least a couple 100 million.

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14 hours ago, Raildude's dad said:

The planning for this project started 10+ years ago. MDOT has had funding issues all thru this time.  MDOT has mislead folks by talking about adding lanes and widening when all the work stops where the ramps go left and right.  Yes, they are adding length to the WB to NB lane and adding breakdown lanes.  To add a third thru lane over the 131 lanes would  make the project at least a couple 100 million.

Do they really need a 3rd through lane on the Ford Freeway over 131 anyway?   From everything I can tell most of a good chunk of the volume exits to NB/SB131 and then gets replenished on the otherside by the feeder ramps from 131.  The actual amount of traffic going over the 131 should be fine if there is an additional weave/merge before and after.  I know they built in a lane they aren't using a while back giong EB,  I can't remember if they have the same ghost lane waiting on the WB side.  At some point they are going to have to address the width of the freeway heading up the hill through Polish Hollywood and into LMD.

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1 hour ago, MJLO said:

Do they really need a 3rd through lane on the Ford Freeway over 131 anyway?   From everything I can tell most of a good chunk of the volume exits to NB/SB131 and then gets replenished on the otherside by the feeder ramps from 131.  The actual amount of traffic going over the 131 should be fine if there is an additional weave/merge before and after.  I know they built in a lane they aren't using a while back giong EB,  I can't remember if they have the same ghost lane waiting on the WB side.  At some point they are going to have to address the width of the freeway heading up the hill through Polish Hollywood and into LMD.

You might be right, from the map I posted 196 goes from a peak of 88,000 around Fuller, and then drops to 75,000 just after 131. So it loses a net 13,000 cars somewhere (or 6500 if you divide in half). It picks up a lot of people West of the bridge coming in from 131 on both sides. From anecdotal experience driving that stretch almost every day, A LOT of cars are in the left lane going onto that bridge and then exit Southbound 131. So much so that it slows traffic down to 45 or 50 in the left lane which is beyond aggravating. A lot of people exit North as well. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one going straight through.  

Plus you have those brainiacs who think they can get on 196 from Ottawa and skip all the way across to go South on 131, but that's a discussion for another time.

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I didnt realize in June, EB 96 (between Leonard and the Beltline) is closing all summer as well. 

So come June (through August), both EB 96 and WB 196 official detour is through SB 131. 

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5 hours ago, JoeSchmo said:

I didnt realize in June, EB 96 (between Leonard and the Beltline) is closing all summer as well. 

So come June (through August), both EB 96 and WB 196 official detour is through SB 131. 

Yep, and don't forget that the East Beltline ramps to I-96 will also be apparently closed. Which ramps I'm not sure as there are two of them. I assume the Westbound ones will be closed first, then Eastbound next year?

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9621_11008-480166--,00.html?fbclid=IwAR2SLRPxxDgAZwN_H62RiE6PYs10IHoZrZ7s8UxVqd30qMemypSUYPVPqAU

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On 3/29/2019 at 1:27 PM, JoeSchmo said:

I didnt realize in June, EB 96 (between Leonard and the Beltline) is closing all summer as well. 

So come June (through August), both EB 96 and WB 196 official detour is through SB 131. 

EB wasn't supposed to be closed. The remaining work was bid earlier. Estimated at $30M, came in at $50M. So the engineers (my daughter is one of them) were told to break it in 2. They can't just rebid it (all the contractors prices are public at tat point) so they have to make changes. One of the changes was closing the I96. Not sure I agree with that running it thru the work zone of the 196 project (SB 131 to EB 196 is currently closed with a flip at Lane ave :(:(:  ).

Part 1 was bid yesterday. Estimate at 40M, came in a little under.

A segway back to my daughter - she texted me last night,  that how exciting it is to cruise thru WB on the way home and see all her drawings being turned into real infrastructure.  Most of her projects are not local.

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5 hours ago, GRDadof3 said:

Anything new in this?

https://www.grandrapidsmi.gov/Our-City/News-Media/New-westbound-I-196-on-ramp-to-be-added-downtown

It does show a bit more of what's going to happen to Ottawa Ave North of the interchange. 

I don't recall Ionia being permanently closed north of the new ramp in earlier press releases.  Currently, people who park on Ionia or those lots and walk to the hospital are in a dangerous spot. They literally walk down Ionia then jump the concrete barrier to cross Division. This will help them for sure.

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GRAND RAPIDS

Detour, traffic shift coming as I-196 reconstructed near Hudsonville

Today 8:00 AM

MDOT will reconstruct approximately five miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in Hudsonville. Courtesy MDOT.

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By Sheila McGrath | [email protected]

HUDSONVILLE, MI -- Beginning Saturday, April 13, West Michigan drivers will have a new roadwork project on I-196 to factor into their commutes.

The Michigan Department of Transportation will begin a project to reconstruct approximately five miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in Hudsonville, according to a news release. The work is expected to continue through Aug. 20.

Weather permitting, lane closures for construction staging will begin at 7 a.m. Saturday, according to John Richard, MDOT’s communications representative for the Grand Region.

Once the project is underway, westbound I-196 traffic will be shifted to the eastbound side of the roadway at Kenowa Avenue, Richard said.

All eastbound I-196 traffic will have to exit to eastbound M-6. The detour for drivers heading to the Grand Rapids area will be M-6 to northbound U.S. 131, Richard said, or drivers may choose to take local roads. There are exits from M-6 at 8th Avenue, Wilson Avenue and Byron Center Avenue.

“The main detour is to send folks up 131,” he said.

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6 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

“The main detour is to send folks up 131,” he said.

Because of course he did.  We should just route everyone to 131.

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2 hours ago, GRDadof3 said:

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GRAND RAPIDS

Detour, traffic shift coming as I-196 reconstructed near Hudsonville

Today 8:00 AM

MDOT will reconstruct approximately five miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in Hudsonville. Courtesy MDOT.

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By Sheila McGrath | [email protected]

HUDSONVILLE, MI -- Beginning Saturday, April 13, West Michigan drivers will have a new roadwork project on I-196 to factor into their commutes.

The Michigan Department of Transportation will begin a project to reconstruct approximately five miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in Hudsonville, according to a news release. The work is expected to continue through Aug. 20.

Weather permitting, lane closures for construction staging will begin at 7 a.m. Saturday, according to John Richard, MDOT’s communications representative for the Grand Region.

Once the project is underway, westbound I-196 traffic will be shifted to the eastbound side of the roadway at Kenowa Avenue, Richard said.

All eastbound I-196 traffic will have to exit to eastbound M-6. The detour for drivers heading to the Grand Rapids area will be M-6 to northbound U.S. 131, Richard said, or drivers may choose to take local roads. There are exits from M-6 at 8th Avenue, Wilson Avenue and Byron Center Avenue.

“The main detour is to send folks up 131,” he said.

I knew this was coming but didn't realize that the entire eastbound I-196 would be routed onto M6, that will be a royal pain in the ass as a GR-Holland commuter. I was hoping both directions would be able to share the eastbound I-196 lanes with a divider in the middle, sort of like 131 last summer. 

The section of westbound I-196 that's going to be rebuilt is in pretty rough shape, so it's time but damn this whole region is under construction. 

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So I'm guessing they probably won't widen it?  Or grade it out to make adding a lane in the future easier?

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5 hours ago, thebeerqueer said:

I knew this was coming but didn't realize that the entire eastbound I-196 would be routed onto M6, that will be a royal pain in the ass as a GR-Holland commuter. I was hoping both directions would be able to share the eastbound I-196 lanes with a divider in the middle, sort of like 131 last summer. 

 The section of westbound I-196 that's going to be rebuilt is in pretty rough shape, so it's time but damn this whole region is under construction. 

I know Mdot isn't forward-thinking, but this is a stretch of highway that should be EXPANDED while it is reconstructed.  The GR-Holland corridor isn't going to stop growing, so why not move the area around M-6 to 3 lanes in each direction now?  Oh, yeah, because the gas tax isn't high enough yet...

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7 minutes ago, cutlervillegr said:

I know Mdot isn't forward-thinking, but this is a stretch of highway that should be EXPANDED while it is reconstructed.  The GR-Holland corridor isn't going to stop growing, so why not move the area around M-6 to 3 lanes in each direction now?  Oh, yeah, because the gas tax isn't high enough yet...

Exactly what I was thinking.  Hudsonville is growing pretty quickly.  Not to mention all the Chicago-GR traffic.

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1 hour ago, Floyd_Z said:

Exactly what I was thinking.  Hudsonville is growing pretty quickly.  Not to mention all the Chicago-GR traffic.

You don’t even need to look that far.  The cross commuting between Holland and GR bottlenecks that stretch of road almost daily.   I-196 should have an additional weave/merge from Byron Rd.  to downtown GR.

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On 4/12/2019 at 3:02 PM, Floyd_Z said:

So I'm guessing they probably won't widen it?  Or grade it out to make adding a lane in the future easier?

MDOT?....no way, just look how poorly designed the 196/M6 interchange is escpecaly with westbound 196 a left lane exit and a much busier left lane merge then the lane ends right before the hidsonville exit not after. Should be at the very least a weave/merge lane between hidsonville and M6 (not to mention in grandvile) but current traffic would also warrant a through lane to zeeland.

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So here's a synopsis of projects going on around Grand Rapids that will last through August:

I-96 resurfacing and concrete repair - from Bristol to 68th Avenue in Ottawa County (essentially from Alpine going West to Coopersville).  Weekend single-lane closures will be in effect through the end of May on I-96 from Bristol Avenue to 16th Avenue. From June to mid-August, weekday lane closures will be in place from 16th Avenue to 68th Avenue.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Coopersville_649876_7.pdf

I-96 bridge replacement in Ionia - This one snuck up on us and good luck to those who commute to Lansing or Detroit every day.  The Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) will invest $3.9 million to remove and replace the original Cutler Road bridge over I-96, and $5.5 million to repair and resurface 9.5 miles of I-96 from Sunfield Road to the Ionia/ Clinton county line. Single-lane closures and traffic shifts will be in effect for most of the project. I-96 will be closed and detoured for bridge demolition and beam setting.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Cutler_Road_649879_7.pdf

I-196 bridge replacement over the Grand River - we all know about this one, but MDOT neglected to tell everyone that they would do intermittent lane closures on 131 during this project that would affect their #1 detour route (Saturday morning they had 131 Southbound down to 1 lane near I-196/Union Square and traffic backed up and was stop-n-go to West River Drive, added a nice 23 minutes to an already long detour route).  I have the google maps to prove it.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Grand_River_Widening_Grand_Rapids_649880_7.pdf

I-196 Reconstruction Grandville/Hudsonville, Kent & Ottawa Counties - Just announced this past week.

The Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) is investing $22 million to reconstruct approximately 5 miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in the city of Hudsonville. The project also includes new drainage, signs, traffic signals and bridge improvements at 22nd and 32nd avenues.  

Westbound I-196 traffic will be shifted to the eastbound side of the roadway at Kenowa Avenue. Westbound I-196 through-traffic will not have access to 32nd Avenue. The westbound I-196 ramp to eastbound M-6 will remain open. All eastbound I-196 traffic will have to exit to eastbound M-6.

Westbound M-6 traffic will have access to 32nd Avenue and will also be able to continue west on I-196. The westbound M-6 ramp to eastbound I-196 will be closed.

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9621_11008-494718--,00.html

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1 hour ago, GRDadof3 said:

So here's a synopsis of projects going on around Grand Rapids that will last through August:

I-96 resurfacing and concrete repair - from Bristol to 68th Avenue in Ottawa County (essentially from Alpine going West to Coopersville).  Weekend single-lane closures will be in effect through the end of May on I-96 from Bristol Avenue to 16th Avenue. From June to mid-August, weekday lane closures will be in place from 16th Avenue to 68th Avenue.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Coopersville_649876_7.pdf

I-96 bridge replacement in Ionia - This one snuck up on us and good luck to those who commute to Lansing or Detroit every day.  The Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) will invest $3.9 million to remove and replace the original Cutler Road bridge over I-96, and $5.5 million to repair and resurface 9.5 miles of I-96 from Sunfield Road to the Ionia/ Clinton county line. Single-lane closures and traffic shifts will be in effect for most of the project. I-96 will be closed and detoured for bridge demolition and beam setting.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Cutler_Road_649879_7.pdf

I-196 bridge replacement over the Grand River - we all know about this one, but MDOT neglected to tell everyone that they would do intermittent lane closures on 131 during this project that would affect their #1 detour route (Saturday morning they had 131 Southbound down to 1 lane near I-196/Union Square and traffic backed up and was stop-n-go to West River Drive, added a nice 23 minutes to an already long detour route).  I have the google maps to prove it.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/I-96_Grand_River_Widening_Grand_Rapids_649880_7.pdf

I-196 Reconstruction Grandville/Hudsonville, Kent & Ottawa Counties - Just announced this past week.

The Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) is investing $22 million to reconstruct approximately 5 miles of westbound I-196 from Kenowa Avenue to 32nd Avenue in the city of Hudsonville. The project also includes new drainage, signs, traffic signals and bridge improvements at 22nd and 32nd avenues.  

Westbound I-196 traffic will be shifted to the eastbound side of the roadway at Kenowa Avenue. Westbound I-196 through-traffic will not have access to 32nd Avenue. The westbound I-196 ramp to eastbound M-6 will remain open. All eastbound I-196 traffic will have to exit to eastbound M-6.

Westbound M-6 traffic will have access to 32nd Avenue and will also be able to continue west on I-196. The westbound M-6 ramp to eastbound I-196 will be closed.

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9621_11008-494718--,00.html

What a wonderful Summer for East/West bounders.  

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1 hour ago, EastownLeo said:

Im screwed.

I know, I had to work Saturday out in Hudsonville and I thought leaving 45 mins early would be good enough, instead of my usual 25 minutes. 1 hour 15 minutes later I finally got to work. 

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35 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

I know, I had to work Saturday out in Hudsonville and I thought leaving 45 mins early would be good enough, instead of my usual 25 minutes. 1 hour 15 minutes later I finally got to work. 

I work in Holland but am working remotely today and two of my colleauges that commute from GR  said their commutes were over an hour this morning, albeit there was an accident on I-196 West as well. 

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In a couple of weeks it will be nine years since I have had to drive to work, actually it will be nine years since I've worked.  Don't miss the drive, don't miss the work.

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This morning "black ice" bit quite a few motorists.  There is a phenomena at day break where the air temperature drops about 3 degrees. It went from about 33 to 30 and the pavement was too wet to freeze dry. Not much the road authorities can do except wait for the temp to rise in a few minutes.  The Road Commission sprays liquid sodium chloride throughout the winter (the white streaks you see) to keep the salt residue high enough to not have black ice.  Couldn't spray last night, it was too wet.  This is probably only the 2nd or 3rd time in 25 years there has been wide spread black ice. Black ice used to be a regular occurrence on I-96 at the river in Portland. I don't think they have had an occurrence since it has been sprayed regularly.

Everyone complained about the condition of our roads. After a good decade of under investmewnt (and no orange barrels) it is only going to get worse.  Which way do you want it, can't have both.  Or you can pull a Walker, retire:thumbsup: . I can always walk to work if I have too :P

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1 hour ago, Raildude's dad said:

This morning "black ice" bit quite a few motorists.  There is a phenomena at day break where the air temperature drops about 3 degrees. It went from about 33 to 30 and the pavement was too wet to freeze dry. Not much the road authorities can do except wait for the temp to rise in a few minutes.  The Road Commission sprays liquid sodium chloride throughout the winter (the white streaks you see) to keep the salt residue high enough to not have black ice.  Couldn't spray last night, it was too wet.  This is probably only the 2nd or 3rd time in 25 years there has been wide spread black ice. Black ice used to be a regular occurrence on I-96 at the river in Portland. I don't think they have had an occurrence since it has been sprayed regularly.

Everyone complained about the condition of our roads. After a good decade of under investmewnt (and no orange barrels) it is only going to get worse.  Which way do you want it, can't have both.  Or you can pull a Walker, retire:thumbsup: . I can always walk to work if I have too :P

Trust me, I hold the Republicans in Lansing completely responsible for the need (now) to do non-stop major road reconstruction. If anyone has any arguments to the contrary, come at me bro. :P 

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