Ally Charlotte Center (f/k/a Tryon Place) - 26 floors - 427'

[Merthecat]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

And I will mention it since no one else will, the TJ Maxx corporation and its stores the namesake, Marshalls, Homegoods are THRIVING with little to no online presence.  One uptown somewhere esp. the first 2 would do incredible.

There is a Marshall's at the Metropolitan, although I realize that isn't exactly within comfortable walking distance from uptown.  I went in the store a few weeks back and it seemed to be doing very well there.  I'd love to see a location uptown, perhaps with a smaller footprint.

[TheOneRJ]

There will be no store found at the Metropolitan that will open a second location of any caliber in Uptown unless the Midtown location closes. Walking from Uptown to Midtown is perfectly doable. There are plenty of national and international brands who do not have a presence in either that could easily be just as beneficial to Uptown residence. 

[15895]

18 minutes ago, TheOneRJ said:

There will be no store found at the Metropolitan that will open a second location of any caliber in Uptown unless the Midtown location closes. Walking from Uptown to Midtown is perfectly doable. There are plenty of national and international brands who do not have a presence in either that could easily be just as beneficial to Uptown residence. 

 

No. It’s not doable. 

Who in the world walks from uptown to, say the Vue all the way to Metropolitan to shop? If it 20x more developed than it is now, it would be more palatable. But going all the way through no mans land (1st & 2nd Ward)and then either taking the greenway or playing frogger across the busy streets. Yeah. People with uptown salaries aren’t doing that 

[urbanlover568]

4 hours ago, KJHburg said:

^^^ FYI Books a Million is still open at Concord Mills and seems to be doing well.

In terms of Tryon Place and Legacy there is retail that can work and not everything is bought online nor will it ever be.  Look at Apple that is one of the most successful stores on planet earth in terms of sales per square foot and they are still opening stores.  I think there are apparel retailers that can do fine uptown with so large working population. And I will mention it since no one else will, the TJ Maxx corporation and its stores the namesake, Marshalls, Homegoods are THRIVING with little to no online presence.  One uptown somewhere esp. the first 2 would do incredible.  So would one of our Charlotte area based shoe chains like Shoe Show or Rack Room.   Not to mention a Sephora, other cosmetics store even a Victoria Secret would do good uptown. 

I personally like bricks and clicks which if an online order goes awry it is easy to return to a physical store.   

 

4 hours ago, JSquare said:

This is not correct. Developers do not view retail as a risk, but as an asset. That is why every new project has some sort of retail component. Business locations that have retail/resturants in them or near by can fetch a higher rent than office spaces with no retail amenities. Developers are also not the ones taking the risks anymore. It is becoming the new norm to sell off the retail space to a company like Asana who are specialists in managing and renting out the retail space.

Saying that retail is dead and online shopping is the only future is a defeatist mind set. I believe we will always have retail locations for people to physically look at items. Retail just needs to adapt and become more streamlined.

As KJHburg said above stores like TJ Maxx have it figured out... Keep the inventory changing so people come back searching for bargains.

 

You can keep on thinking that. Thats evactly what B&N said when Amazon hit the market and look where things are now.  As someone who has close ties to the commercial real estate in CLT and actually worked in a fortune 500 store planning department,  the thinking you two have is not the current thinking of retail planning departments or developers have. It's a risk to plan for commercial retail now  andthats  just a fact. I can't help you if you cant accept that. Maybe a small grocery store would work for this area. 

Edited January 7, 2018 by mpretori

[Hunted]

On 1/5/2018 at 12:33 PM, JSquare said:

I am not sure I understand. Is there some history behind this building other than it being old? It looks terrible and seems to have no architectural significant.

I am not trying to be rude just would like to know why some people are so opposed to this building coming down. 

I’m with you. I don’t get this obsession with the Diehl building. It’s the most bland thing I’ve ever seen. I’ve constructed Lego and Lincoln Log structures more impressive. Just because it’s old doesn’t make it cool. Bulldoze it!

[southslider]

If Stonecrest and Blakeney can have the same stores, then so can Uptown and Midtown, Uptown and South End, and especially Uptown and South Park.

[JoshuaDrown]

15 hours ago, JSquare said:

Saying that retail is dead and online shopping is the only future is a defeatist mind set. I believe we will always have retail locations for people to physically look at items. Retail just needs to adapt and become more streamlined.

We are kind of turning the Tryon Place thread  into an Uptown Retail thread, but I’ll contribute anyway... The truth with retail, as with nearly everything, is somewhere in the middle of the online vs bricks and mortar debate. 

I only had the patience to dig up the two articles linked below, but I’ve seen the same general statistics in multiple places: when brands either stay in a regional market with a physical store or open a new store, they see that their online sales in that general geographic area are 30% to 50% higher than regions where they don’t have locations. The brick and mortar stores serve as a kind of billboard, where customers can familiarize themselves with quality and materials, even if they purchase a different size or color or model online.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-brick-and-mortar-boosts-online-engagement-2017-9

Conversley, when a brand leaves a market by closing a physical store, they lose 70% of their total sales in that market, with roughly 15% moving to their website, and 15% seeking out the nearest physical store.

https://www.bluecore.com/blog/looking-relationship-brick-mortar-ecommerce-wrong/

What retailers have to figure out in the new marketplace, is what is the sweet spot... how big should these showroom stores be, what is the right mix of product, and how far apart can they be to provide the best brand equity maximization?

Edited January 7, 2018 by JoshuaDrown

[UPNoDa]

^What retailers have to figure out in the new marketplace, is what is the sweet spot... how big should these showroom stores be, what is the right mix of product, and how far apart can they be to provide the best brand equity maximization?

It would be interesting to see how competitive Google could be if they had brick and mortar stores much like Apple.  (Do they sell products in the First Ward Google hub)

I personally left the BIG 4 mobile carriers two years ago when Google announced their beta Project fi program and have been on it with zero issues ever since.  When they announced the Pixel 2 rollout, I simply signed into my account and added the new Pixel phone with the ability to trade in my Nexus 6P that I had for two years right from the Google Play store. It was frightfully easy.

 Google must have did their homework and decided that physical locations weren't for them. 

Would be curious to see the difference in Apple's click vs brick sales figures. 

 

[TheOneRJ]

On 1/6/2018 at 8:30 PM, AirNostrumMAD said:

 

No. It’s not doable. 

Who in the world walks from uptown to, say the Vue all the way to Metropolitan to shop? If it 20x more developed than it is now, it would be more palatable. But going all the way through no mans land (1st & 2nd Ward)and then either taking the greenway or playing frogger across the busy streets. Yeah. People with uptown salaries aren’t doing that 

You're right, people with Uptown salaries have their own transportation to help them cross 277 since apparently their legs aren't good enough. It may not be ideal, but is is more than doable. 

[jednc]

18 hours ago, UPNoDa said:

^What retailers have to figure out in the new marketplace, is what is the sweet spot... how big should these showroom stores be, what is the right mix of product, and how far apart can they be to provide the best brand equity maximization?

It would be interesting to see how competitive Google could be if they had brick and mortar stores much like Apple.  (Do they sell products in the First Ward Google hub)

I personally left the BIG 4 mobile carriers two years ago when Google announced their beta Project fi program and have been on it with zero issues ever since.  When they announced the Pixel 2 rollout, I simply signed into my account and added the new Pixel phone with the ability to trade in my Nexus 6P that I had for two years right from the Google Play store. It was frightfully easy.

 Google must have did their homework and decided that physical locations weren't for them. 

Would be curious to see the difference in Apple's click vs brick sales figures. 

 

I'd love to see some physical Google Stores myself. I'm like you...bought the last several phones I've owned from Google online and switched to Project Fi about 2 years ago. Love the service and the price.

[KJHburg]

Lets get back to Tryon Place which will have some retail and here is a rezoning request I just saw posted.  Some tweaking it seems.   http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2017/191-206/2017-199 site plan.pdf   Looks like a really nice street presence too. 

 

Save the Uptown Retail possibilities for a new thread called Uptown Retail Future or something. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by KJHburg

[KJHburg]

what is the urban lounge? a freestanding retail or coffee shop?

[elrodvt]

14 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Lets get back to Tryon Place which will have some retail and here is a rezoning request I just saw posted.  Some tweaking it seems.   http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2017/191-206/2017-199 site plan.pdf   Looks like a really nice street presence too. 

 

Save the Uptown Retail possibilities for a new thread called Uptown Retail Future or something. 

What do you think of a thread on how to "activate uptown" or "how to create an uptown entertainment and shopping district" (which presupposes a solution)?

[15895]

20 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Lets get back to Tryon Place which will have some retail and here is a rezoning request I just saw posted.  Some tweaking it seems.   http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2017/191-206/2017-199 site plan.pdf   Looks like a really nice street presence too. 

 

Save the Uptown Retail possibilities for a new thread called Uptown Retail Future or something. 

What about “Drive for Center city retail” ?

 

 

[CLTProductions]

2 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Lets get back to Tryon Place which will have some retail and here is a rezoning request I just saw posted.  Some tweaking it seems.   http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2017/191-206/2017-199 site plan.pdf   Looks like a really nice street presence too. 

 

Save the Uptown Retail possibilities for a new thread called Uptown Retail Future or something. 

FYI. They’ve used the approved rezoning form from 2014. Pages 2 and 3 are the only things with updates and those only updates are to include Asanas business in there. This is definitely just a legal formality. Don’t read too much into the rezoning :/

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Jayvee said:

FYI. They’ve used the approved rezoning form from 2014. Pages 2 and 3 are the only things with updates and those only updates are to include Asanas business in there. This is definitely just a legal formality. Don’t read too much into the rezoning :/

read literally nothing into it. LOL. 

[Scribe]

Well, from this - http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2017/191-206/2017-199 rezoning map.pdf - it looks like the 'historic' building is being changed from UMUD to UMUD-O like the rest of Tryon Place.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Scribe

[Scribe]

Oh, while this is not new, still talks about what I believe is the "hanging" part of the hotel:

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Oh, while this is not new, still talks about what I believe is the "hanging" part of the hotel:

[Scribe]

@ricky_davis_fan_21 is there a multi-family (condo) component to this project?

[CLT>___]

 

15 minutes ago, Scribe said:

@ricky_davis_fan_21 is there a multi-family (condo) component to this project?

No there is not. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Scribe said:

@ricky_davis_fan_21 is there a multi-family (condo) component to this project?

I don't think its on the table anymore :-(. 

Edit: What @JSquare said

Edited January 8, 2018 by Guest

[Nick2]

I tried to be vague but it seems it didn't click. There is a VERY good chance of a target coming to uptown. You can almost count on it.

[TheOneRJ]

[atlrvr]

County land use just approved blasting plan, which will be the next phase here.  Will be blasting down approximately 2 stories where the office tower footprint is.....guess bedrock really shallow there.