proof of extraterrestrials?

[cityboi]

It has been said by "people in government" that UFO movies and TV shows are used to condition us for the truth when it eventually comes out. A TV series on NBC called "The Event" premieres September 20th. Basically its about a guy who ends up unraveling the biggest cover-up in U.S. history (UFOs are real) and the president of the United States, who curiously happens to black with a foreign name, plans to make the announcement to the American people that we are not alone. This looks like a great series and I plan to watch it. Finally a good tv show. Im sick of all the reality tv shows.

http://www.nbc.com/the-event/

http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-phoenix/nbc-s-the-event-the-secret-even-the-president-does-not-know

trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vumb8J-x8

Also other news: Ben Rich, the former Vice President of Lockheed who died of cancer made a deathbed confession that "Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. military already has the capability to travel to the stars. In a lecture before he died he made similar statements about the existence of UFOs saying "if you have seen it on Star Trek or Star Wars, we have done that" he also said "we have things in the desert that are more than 50 years (advanced technology) beyond what we can even imagine". That certainly makes sense because Stealth technology was a product of the 1960s and wasn't disclosed to the public until 1990. SInce Lockheed does contract work for the military on secret aircraft, Ben Rich would have to be briefed on alien technology if its involved with craft Lockheed is making. Ben Rich was the "father of stealth technology" and was also the Lockheed Skunk Works director.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html

Some of Ben Rich's quotes:

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

“We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong".

"There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft -- from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft"

When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said

"All points in time and space are connected"

before his confessions Ben Rich said the public should not be told about UFOs and extraterrestrials. He said he believed they could not handle the truth....ever.

Ben Rich responds to the letter above back in 1986 which asks about two type of UFOs (man made and extraterrestrial)

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Lockheed Skunkworks Engineer USAF, and CIA Contractor Admitted UFO Are Real

Don Phillips, "These UFOs were huge and they would just come to a stop and do a 60 degree, 45 degree, 10 degree turn, and then immediately reverse this action". During the Apollo landing, Neil Armstrong says, "They're here.They are right over there and looking at the size of those ships., it is obvious they dont like us being here”. (keep in mind there were a number of "moments" of lost signals when the public couldn't hear what was being said on the moon, including a seven minute gap) When I was working with the Skunkworks with Kelly Johnson, we signed an agreement with the government to keep very quiet about this."

"Anti-gravitational research was going on. We know that there were some captured craft from 1947 in Roswell, they were real. And, yes, we really did get some technology from them. And, yes, we really did put it to work. We knew each other from what we call an unseen industry. We can term it black, deep black, or hidden.

The knowledge I have of these technologies came from the craft that were captured here. I didn't see the craft, nor did I see the bodies, but I certainly know some of the people that did. There was no question that there were beings from outside the planet."

"We got these things that are handhold scanners that scan the body and determine what the condition is. We can also treat from the same scanner." (just like on Star Trek. Remember Ben Rich said if you've seen it on Star Trek, we have done it. Note...one technology we have seen on Star Trek that is publicly known of is the cell phone)

Kinda makes you wonder if Star Trek was inspired by reality.......

Edited September 15, 2010 by cityboi

[15895]

I greatly appreciate all your updates. I don't generally reply because I have nothing to add, but I just thought I'd say I love it when you post.

Always look forward to it. Thanks

[Charlotteman]

I greatly appreciate all your updates. I don't generally reply because I have nothing to add, but I just thought I'd say I love it when you post.

Always look forward to it. Thanks

I totally agree with AirNostrumMAD. cityboi is doing a great service by posting these updates, and keeping us all informed.

[cityboi]

thanks guys. There is a lot of evidence out there. Many people dont take it seriously and you cant really blame them because its been drilled into their heads that its nothing but science fiction so if they see ANY kind of evidence, it can't be real. Thats why we have debunkers out there. There is a difference between a debunker and a skeptic. You have to be skeptical because everything posted on the internet isnt true. Part of it is disinformation. When you mix lies with the truth, the whole thing becomes a lie in a lot of peoples minds. Then there are those who dont want to believe it because it may upset their religious views or how they view themselves. We all should have open minds on this topic because our very existence proves that there is intelligent life in the universe. Stars and planets evolve the same way across the universe. There are billions of solar systems in our galaxy alone and billions of galaxies. So the number of planets are countless. Its ludicrous to think only earth has life or intelligent life and we cant assume that all life out there is more primative than we are. Now if extraterrestrials are coming here, obviously there is a reason they aren't revealing themselves on a mass scale. I'm sure they are aware that if their presense is widely known, it may rock the foundations of civilization. There are a lot of negative and positive repercussions to disclosure. Our whole way of life may radically change if the entire world knew ET was coming here. A lot of profound questions would have to be answered. History would also have to be rewritten especially if there are ancient structures on the moon. Its exciting and scary at the same time. We tend to believe that mankind is at the peak of innovation, science and technology, but thats what mandkind thought a thousand years ago as well. Look at all the gadgets we use today, cell phones, computers, tv, internet, ect. Those technologies would seem like magic to people living a thousand years ago, just as alien technology would seem like magic to us today. A human being a thousand years ago wouldn't be able to comprehend how a cell phone works. When you talk to some one a thousand miles away on a wireless device, thats magic in their eyes. Today we can't comprehend how affecting gravity, space and time would allow us to travel light years in the blink of an eye. The technology we have to day was once science fiction. Today's science fiction will one day become science fact. Even 50 years ago cloning was science fiction. Now we have successfully cloned sheep and a number of other animals. As far as we know, human cloning may have already happened.

Edited September 16, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

Here is a NASA image that some how got to the New York Times in 1998. Clearly you see a black triangle which is the same description of man made UFOs. These black triangles have the same flight characteristics that Extraterrestrial UFOs have and they use anti-gravity propulsion. I think it may be another 50 years before the government declassifies anti-gravity propulsion along with this craft. Then again if this technology poses a serious threat to national security if it falls into enemy hands, they may never declassify it.

NASA says its space junk but I have a feeling its a lot more than space junk. And you thought rockets and space shuttles were the most advanced craft we could send into space...haha

But people have been reporting seeing these triangular/boomerang craft in the skies since the 1990s. People describe them as HUGE craft 2 to 3 foot ball fields long. They hover completely silently and can dart off at amazing speeds. This was also the same craft reported on a mass scale in 1997. "The Phoenix Lights" The governor of Arizona said he saw it. Witnesses all over Phoenix described the same things. They said it was clearly a boomerang craft but it was almost translucent however it was much larger than 3 football fields. You could see the object but at the same time you could see the stars above it. We do know that for years the government has been working on technology to camouflage aircraft..the "invisibility effect"

Edited September 16, 2010 by cityboi

[Charlotteman]

^^ oh sure it's just space junk~ How stupid does the US government think the people are?

One time the black boomerang UFO was seen in Belgium and was followed by local police departments and civilians for miles and miles. I guess space junk can magically float over Belgium these days

We must remember that the US and many countries signed treaties not to take nukes into space, so we can't discount the possibility that some of these craft are top secret and illegal military craft. The US government has a sordid history of doing illegal things.....

[cityboi]

Exactly and the object in the photo doesnt look like space junk.

This is interesting.....has an alien body been found in mines in Chile? The natives tell stories of star people coming to earth living in the mines and there are ancient monuments erected for these "space people". For years strange lights have been reported in the skies. Its interesting to note that the mines arent that far away from the "Nazca Lines". The Nazca lines are rocks in the desert that were put together to form images of animals. Because of the scale and size they can only be seen from the sky which hints that someone had the capabilty to fly thousands of years ago.

Anyway a science time went into the mines and discovered a decomposing body of a strange creature that sort of looks humanoid with legs arranged a little like a chicken. In the mines they saw strange lights and when hey returned to the surface, There was a strange large light in the sky that darted off. The body they found was really small, no taller han 18 inches so if it were humanoid it could have been a child. The team was not allowed to take a rotting body across the border so they took photos of it to have it analized. No one knows what it is. It doesnt look like any known animal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unebB6p1tH8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wifYlkeqr_4&feature=related

Edited September 18, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

ex-military officials to hold a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC about UFOs compromising U.S. nuclear weapons. The press conference will be held on September 27, 2010 at 12:30 pm

"Declassified U.S. government documents, to be distributed at the event, now substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites extending back to 1948. The press conference will also address present-day concerns about the abuse of government secrecy as well as the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915

military officials that will be at the press conference:

Dwynne Arneson, USAF Lt. Col. Ret., communications center officer-in-charge

Bruce Fenstermacher, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer

Charles Halt, USAF Col. Ret., former deputy base commander

Robert Hastings, researcher and author

Robert Jamison, former USAF nuclear missile targeting officer

Patrick McDonough, former USAF nuclear missile site geodetic surveyor

Jerome Nelson, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer

Robert Salas, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer

Edited September 20, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

ex-Air Force personnel come forward at the National Press Club about extraterrestrial UFOs deactivating nuclear missiles. The crafts have been described as large saucer and cigar shaped vehicles that hover silently and fly at incredible speeds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/28/national/main6907702.shtml?tag=stack

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/27/ufos-showed-interest-in-nukes-ex-air-force-personnel-say/?hpt=T2

FULL VIDEO of press conference covered by CNN.

http://a.blip.tv/scripts/flash/stratos.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash%2F4191654&showplayerpath=http%3A%2F%2Fa.blip.tv%2Fscripts%2Fflash%2Fstratos.swf&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fexopolitik.blip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash&brandname=blip.tv&brandlink=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbrandlink&enablejs=true&referrer=http%253A%252F%252Fextraordinaryintelligence.com%252F2283%252Fthe-unexplained%252Fbreaking-news-press-conference-on-ufonukes-discolsure-streaming-live-now&source=3

Also breaking news, the United Nations has appointed a UN ambassador to extraterrestrials when we make contact. Obviously the United Nations is taking this seriously and it seems like an odd coincidence the United Nations makes this announcement the same day the ex-Air Force personnel came forward at a press conference about the existence of UFOs. Plus the NBC show "The Event" came on yesterday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20017713-501465.html?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.11

this is just a SMALL list of people who publicly affirmed the existence of extraterrestrial UFOs. Not your average crack pots........

Captain A D Yates - United Airlines

Adolph Wagner - Deputy Coordinator, Civil Defence

Lieutenant General Akira Hirano - Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force

Al Worden - NASA Astronaut, Apollo 15

Alan C Holt - Experimental Specialist, NASA Manned Spacecraft Center, Houston and NICAP Special Advisor

Albert M Chop - Deputy Public Relations Director of NASA & Former US Air Force Spokesman for Project Bluebook

Sergeant Alberto Covas - Portuguese Air Force, Ota Air Base

Allen Dulles - Former CIA Director

Dr Anthony O Mirarchi - Air Force Geophysical Laboratory

Brigadier General Arthur E Exon - Former Commander, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

Arthur H Sorensen - Research Geologist, Wallace, Idaho and NICAP Special Advisor

Captain Art Shutts - Trans-world Airlines

Air Marshal Azim Daudpota - Zimbabwe Air Force

Senator Barry Goldwater - Retired Air Force Brigadier General

General Benjamin Chidlaw - Commanding General of Air Defence Command

Benjamin (Ben) R Rich - Director, Lockheed Skunk Works

Bill Gates - American Airlines First Officer

Dr Brian O'Leary - NASA Astronaut

Bruce Foster - Bell Aircraft Company Engineer

Dr Bruce Maccabee - Physicist US Navy & Head of the Fund for UFO Research

Captain C S Chiles - Eastern Airlines Pilot and NICAP Special Advisor

C W Sonner - Chief of Interstate Airways Communication Station

Cady Coleman - NASA Astronaut, Shuttle Mission STS-73

Carl J Henry - Chairman, Industrial Commission of Missouri, Department of Labor and Industrial Relations

Dr Carl Jung - Swiss Psychologist

Colonel Carl Sanderson - US Air Force

Dr Carol Rosin - Aerospace Executive, Fairchild Industries

Captain Casey Pierman - Capitol Airlines Pilot

Charles A. Carson - California State Policeman

Professor Charles A. Maney - Head of the Defiance

College Physics Department and NICAP Board Member

Charles B Moore - Aerologist, General Mills Balloon Technicians

Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown - US Air Force

Charles Fisher - Civil Engineer

Dr Charles Gaston - Space & Atmospheric Sciences, IBM, Wheaton, Maryland and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Charles H. Otis, Professor Emeritus of Biology, Bowling Green State University

Charles J Camarda - NASA Astronaut

Pilot Charles Kratovil - Trans World Airlines

Major General Charles P Cabell - Director of Intelligence, US Air Force, Director of the Joint Chief of Staff (1951)

Charles W James - Photographer, Philadelphia Enquirer

Captain Charles Zammett - Pan American Airways

Chuck Sorrels - Air Traffic Controller, Edwards Air Force Base

Clark C. McClelland, Former ScO (Spaceraft Operator), Space Shuttle Fleet, Kennedy Space Centre Florida

Sergeant Clifford Stone - Sergeant 1st Class, US Army

Clyde Clark McClelland - US Space Program Pioneer

Dr Clyde Tombaugh - Astronomer, Discovered planet Pluto, Optical Scientist, White Sands Missile Range

Monsignor Corrado Balducci - Vatican Theologian Insider close to the Pope

D Shenkel - Former Air Force Pilot

Lieutenant D A Swimley - US Air Force

Daniel Salter - US Air Force, Chief Master Sergeant, NRO

Dan Willis - US Navy

Dr Darell B Harmon Jnr - Deputy Program Manager., McDonnell Douglas Astronautics Co, Santa Monica

Dave Richey - Canal Fulton Patrolman, Northeast Ohio

David McCurry - Northeast Ohio State Police

Air Commodore David Thorne - Director of General Operations for the Zimbabwe Air Force in 1985

Delbert C Newhouse - US Navy, Chief Photographer of Aviation and NICAP Special Advisor

Rear Admiral Delmar S Fahrney - US Navy Missile Chief and former NICAP Board Member

Delmus Early - Carroll County Police Officer, Northeast Ohio

Captain Dermott - Capitol Airlines Pilot

Major Dewey J Fournet - US Air Force, Former US Air Force HQ Monitor to Blue Book

Dick Beemer - Aviation Photographer, North American Aviation

Don Newman - Former Air Force pilot

Don P Hollister - Goodyear Aircraft Corporation Technical Writer

Don Phillips - Lockheed Skunkworks, CIA Contractor

Deputy Sheriff Donald E. Corey - Mahoning County, Northeast Ohio

Major Donald E Keyhoe - United States Marines

Captain Donald Slayton - Mercury Astronaut

Donna Hare - NASA (Airbrushing) Department Houston

General Douglas MacArthur

Doyle Kline - Scripps, Howard Staff Writer

Lieutenant Colonel Dwynne Arnesson - US Air Force, SAC Control Officer

Dr Earl Douglas - Religious Writer & Columnist

Ed Nugent - Radar Controller

Ed White - NASA Astronaut

Marshal Ed Marah - Cedaredge Marshal, Rocky Mountains

Captain Eddie Rickenbacker - Commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI

Astronaut Captain Edgar Mitchell - Sixth Man on the Moon (Apollo 14)

Edison F Carpenter - Research Technician, North American Aviation

Captain Edward J Ruppelt - US Air Force

Dr Edward Teller - Creator of the Hydrogen Bomb

Elizabeth Helen McClelland - Pioneer of the US Space Program

Sir Eric Gairy - Prime Minister of Grenada

Ernest Stadvec - Former World War II Bomber Pilot (now owns a flying service in Akron, Ohio)

Commander Eugene Cernan - Commander Apollo 17 Mission

Dr Eugene Mallove - Director New Energy Research Labs, Aeronautical Engineer

Sir Francis Chichester - Famous aviator, sailor, and author

Dr Frank B Salisbury - Department Head, Plant Sciences, Utah State Univ and NICAP Special Advisor

Frank Borman - NASA Astronaut, Gemini 7 Mission

Frank Edwards - Radio and TV Commentator and NICAP Board Member

Frank H Schofield - Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific fleet in the 1930s

Frank Halstead - Former Curator, University of Minnesota's Darling Observatory and NICAP Special Advisor

Frank G Rawlinson - Physicist, NASA Space Flight Center and NICAP Special Advisor

Franklin Carter - United States Navy, Radar Specialist

Fred C Fair, Ph D - Former Professor of Engineering, New York University and NICAP Special Advisor

Fred Porcello - State Police Officer, Portville, NY

Frederick Clark Durant III - Advisor, Robertson Scientific Advisory Committee on UFOs, Pentagon/NASA

Frederick Fox - US Navy Pilot, Top Secret Nuclear Clearance

Dr Fulton Koehler - Institute of Technology, Dept of Mathematics, Univ of Minnesota and NICAP Special Advisor

Deputy Fry - Tehama County Sheriff's Office, California

Colonel Fuijo Hayashi - Commander of the Air Transport Wing of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force

Galen Anderson - Police Officer, Sunnyvale Police Department, San Francisco Bay

Gene Miller - Former Air Force Flight Instructor, member of NICAP

Major George A Filer - US Air Force, Deputy Director of Intelligence

Lieutenant Colonel George Edwards - US Air Force

Captain George Robertson - Former Air Force Pilot

George Todt - Columnist, Public Relations Council and NICAP Special Advisor

Lieutenant George Gorman, North Dakota Air National Guard

George Jacobson - Pan American Airlines Co-Pilot

George Morales - FAA Supervisor

George W Earley - Administrative Engineer, Connecticut Aerospace Firm and NICAP Special Advisor

Major Gerald Smith - US Air Force

Dr Garry Henderson - NASA

Gordon Creighton - Military Intelligence, Ministry of Defence

Gordon Higgins - US Air Force Control Tower Operator and Flight Controller

Captain H Dunker - Pan American Airways

Dr H Percy Wilkins - British Lunar Astronomer

Dr Harold Puthoff - Director, Institute of Advanced Studies, Austin, Creator of Remote Viewing (ESP) Project, CIA & DIA for a decade

Harry Allen Jordan - US Navy, Radar Operator, USS Roosevelt

Harry G Barnes - Senior Air Traffic Controller for the CAA

Lieutenant Harry L Roe - Air National Guard pilot

Harry O Barnes - Senior Air Route Traffic Controller

Hartland Bentley - US Army

Helen G. Mitchell - Police Dispatcher, Delta County Court House

Henry C. Kawecki - Physical Analyst, Fleetwood, Pennsylvania and NICAP Special Advisor

Professor Henry Carlock - Physics Department, Mississippi College

Dr Herman Oberth - The Father of Modern Rocketry

Captain Raymond Ryan - American Airlines Pilot

Lieutenant Colonel Richard Headrick - Radar Bombing Expert

Richard Kuta - Rocky Mountains State Police

Senator Richard Russell - Head of the Armed Services Committee

Captain Robert Adickes -Trans World Airways DC-3 Pilot

Robert Arnholt - American Airlines Flight Engineer

Colonel Robert B Emerson - US Air Force, NICAP Board Member

Robert Dickerson - Police Officer, Oregon

Captain Robert F Manning - Trans World Airways DC-3

Dr Robert H Williams - Radiation Chemistry, Mobil Research & Dev. Corp., Princeton, N.J and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Richard Haines - Aerospace Researcher, NASA (Retired)

Captain Robert Harris - Pan American Airways

Professor Robert Jacobs - USAF, Vandenberg Air Force Base

Dr Robert L Hall - Social Psychologist & Assistant Professor, University of Minnesota, NICAP Special Advisor

Robert (Bob) Lazar - US Air Force (worked at Area 51 and S-4 area)

Sergeant Major Robert O Dean, former NATO intelligence analyst for SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe)

Lieutenant Colonel Robert Salas - US Air Force, SAC Launch Officer

Dr Robert Sarbacher - Physicist

Dr Robert Spencer Carr - Aztec UFO Crash Expert

Major Robert White - US Air Force

Colonel Robert Willingham - US Air Force

Roger A Stinard - State Police, Northeast Ohio

Roger L Guay, M.S., Physics - Infrared Technician, The Boeing Co., Seattle, Washington and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Roger W Wescott - Chairman, Department of Anthropology, Drew University, N.J and NICAP Special Advisor

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter - Former Director of the CIA

Rubens S Villela - Brazilian Meteorologist employed at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Sergeant Salvador Oliviera - Portuguese Air Force, Ota Air Base

Dr Samuel A Goudsmit - Advisor, Robertson Scientific Advisory Committee on UFOs, Pentagon / NASA

Samuel Freeman - Former President, National Aviations Trades Association and NICAP Special Advisor

Sarah McClendon - White House Correspondent, and Dean of the White House Press Corps

Scott Carpenter - NASA Astronaut, Mercury 7

Dr Seymour L Hess - Department Head of Meteorology, Florida State University

Major Shiro Kubuta - Japan's Air Self-Defence Force

Stanley Scott - California State Policeman

Stanton Friedman - Defence Contractor, Nuclear Physicist

Dr Stefan T Possony - Acting Chief of the Directorate of Intelligence Special Studies Group, US Air Force

Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin - National Guard, JAG, Eisenhower White House

Steve Lewis - Former Air Force Intelligence Officer who spent years investigating the UFO phenomenon for the US military

Dr Steven Greer - Director, The Disclosure Project

Dr Story Musgrave - NASA Astronaut and Scientist

Texas J Rodriguez Jr - Pan American Airways Flight Radio Officer

Colonel Thomas Jefferson Dubose - US Air Force (adjutant to Brig. General Roger Ramey)

Captain Thomas Mantell - US Air Force

Thomas Townsend Brown, US Navy, 1956 founder of NICAP

Dr Thornton Page - Astronomer, John Hopkin's Operations Research Office and former board member on the CIA's Robertson Panel in Washington D.C

Tom Christensen - Wisconsin Central Airlines Representative

Lieutenant Colonel Toshio Nakamura - Japan's Air Self-Defence Force

Victor Afanasyev - USSR Cosmonaut

Victor G Didelot - B.S. Physics Research Engineer in Aircraft Instrumentation and Magnetics

Victor Marchetti - Former Special Assistant to the Executive Director of the CIA

Major General Vladimir Kovalyonok - USSR Aviation

Captain W.B. Nash - Pan American Airways and NICAP Special Advisor

W K Rutledge - Private Pilot

W R Peters - Former Pan American Airways Pilot, Coral Gables, Florida

Walter N Webb - Chief Lecturer on Astronomy, Charles Hayden Planetarium, Boston, Mass

Walter Schirra - NASA Astronaut Sigma 7

Dr Walther Reidel - Chief Designer and Research Director, German Rocket Centre, Peenemunde

Colonel Weldon H Smith - US Air Force

Wells Alan Webb - Chemical Engineer & Research Chemist, University of California

Wilbert B Smith - Former Chief of the Canadian Government's UFO Project Magnet and NICAP Special Advisor

Colonel Wilfred De Brouwer - Chief of Operations, Belgian Air Force

Colonel William A Adams - US Air Force Chief, Topical Intelligence Division

Brigadier General William A Matheny - 34th Air Defence Division in Albuquerque

William B Hiller - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Aircraft Communicator

Captain William B. Nash - Pan American Airways

William J Besler - President of Besler Corporation, Oakland, California

William H Ayres - US Congressman

William Fortenberry - Pan American Airways Second Officer

William Hodges - US Air Force, Goodfellows NSA Facility

Captain William Hutchins - Pan American Airways

Brigadier General William M Garland - US Air Force Assistant for Production at the Pentagon (The Number 2 man in Air Force Intelligence, 1952)

William Neff - American Airlines First Officer

Dr William S Bickel - Physicist, University of Arizona and NICAP Special Advisor

Colonel William T Coleman - Former Air Force Pilot, former Public Information Officer for Project Blue Book and Air Force's Chief Public Relations Officer during the 70s

William Van Horn - Civil Defence Director, Hillside, Michigan

Dr Willie Ley - Rocket Scientist, NASA Rocketry Division

First Officer W R Peters - Pan American World Airways and NICAP Special Advisor

Captain Willis T Sperry - American Airlines

Yevegni Khrunov - USSR Spacecraft Pilot, Soyuz-5

Lord Hill-Norton - Chief of Defence Staff, Ministry of Defence

Dr Hugh S. Brown, MD - Spokane, Washington and NICAP Special Advisor

Idi Amin - Former President of Uganda

Dr J Allen Hynek - Director, US Air Force Project Bluebook

J B Bradley - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Traffic Controller

J B Hartranft Jr - President of the Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association, NICAP Board Member

J B Whitted - Eastern Airlines Pilot

J Edgar Hoover - Former FBI Director

J J Kaliszewski - Aeronautical Research Laboratories, Supervisor of Balloon Manufacture, General Mills

Air Commodore J Salutun - National Aerospace Council of Indonesia & Indonesian Parliament Member

Jack Brotzman - Physicist, Naval Research Laboratory, Washington DC and NICAP Special Advisor

Colonel Jack Morrow - Deputy Director for Estimates, US Air Force Intelligence

Captain Jack Puckett - US Air Force Military Pilot

Dr James C Bartlett Jnr - Astronomer and NICAP Special Advisor

James C. Beatty - Civil Defence & Ground Observer Corps, California and NICAP Special Advisor

James Chapman - in charge of UFO Photos for US Air Force Project Bluebook at Wright Air Development Center

James Dee - American Airlines First Officer

James F Bachmeier - Mid-Continent Airlines Co-Pilot

James Irwin - NASA Astronaut, Apollo 15

James Lovell - NASA Astronaut, Gemini 7 Mission

James Nelson - Carroll County Police Officer, Northeast Ohio

Lieutenant Colonel James McAshan - US Air Force

Brigadier General James McDivitt - Commanding Pilot Gemini Space Craft

Dr James E McDonald - Senior Physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics, University of Arizona

Dr Jamison R. Harrison - Engineering Physics, Bedford, Massachusetts and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Jerry Linenger - NASA Astronaut

Major Jesse Marcel - US Army Intelligence Officer

Jim Copeland - Radar Controller

Jim Ritchey - Radar Controller

Jimmy Carter - Former US President

Major General Joe W Kelly - US Air Force

Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki - US Air Force, Strategic Air Command

Brigadier General John B Ackerman - Deputy Director for Collection & Dissemination of US Air Force Intelligence

John B. Bean - Pilot

Captain John Baldwin - Former Air Force Pilot

John Callaghan - Senior FAA Official, Head of Accidents and Investigations

Major John F McLeod - Former US Air Force Pilot, Civil Air Patrol, Jacksonville, Florida and NICAP Special Advisor

Colonel John G Ericksen - Former Head of Policy and Management Group of the Directorate of Intelligence

Dr John P Guarino - Physical Chemistry, Mobil Research & Dev., Princeton, N.J and NICAP Special Advisor

John Maynard - Defence Intelligence Agency

John R. Cooke - Radar Technician, US Air Force Strategic Air Command

Lance Corporal John Weygandt - US Marine Corps

John W McCormack - Speaker at the House of Representatives

John Wilbur - Pan American Airlines Engineer

John Williams - Mid-Continent Airlines Chief Controller

John Zimmerman - Geologist

Captain Jose Lemos Ferreira - Portuguese Air Force, Ota Air Base

Joseph A Walker - NASA Astronaut/Pilot

Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III - Founder of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO, and board of NICAP

Joseph J Greiner - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Radio Operator and Traffic Controller

Joseph J Kaliszewski - Aeronautical Engineer, General Mills

Captain Joseph L. Flynn - Pan American Airways

Commander Juan Barrera - Commander in charge, Aquirre Cerda Airbase

Julius L Benton Jr (M.S Biology) - Armstrong State College, Savannah and NICAP Special Advisor

General Kanshi Ishikawa - Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force

Sergeant Karl Wolfe - Langley Air Force Base, Tactical Air Command

Kenneth B Steinmetz - Amateur Astronomer, Head of Denver Moonwatch and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Kenneth E. Bryan - Meteorology, Memphis, Tennessee and NICAP Special Advisor

Captain Kenneth G Brosdal - Pan American Airlines

L D Sheridan Jnr - Former Marine Corps Pilot, Ponte Vedra, Florida and NICAP Special Advisor

L F Baney - United Airlines Pilot

Colonel L Gordon Cooper - Mercury Nine, Gemini Five Astronaut

Larry Warren - US Air Force, Security Specialist

Laverne Werta - Flight Service Specialist, FAA Office

Captain Lawrence W Vinther - Mid-Continent Airlines Pilot

Lee Katchen - Former Atmospheric Physicist for NASA

Sergeant Leonard Pretko - US Air Force

Leonard H. Stringfield - Public Relations, Ground Observer Corps, Cincinnati and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Leslie K Kaeburn - Biophysicist, University of Southern California and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Leslie Ward - Redlands Physician

General Lionel M Chassin - Commanding General of the French Air Forces and General Air Defence Coordinator, Allied Air Forces, Central Europe (NATO)

Lloyd V Berkner - Advisor, Robertson Scientific Advisory Committee on UFOs, Pentagon/NASA.

Lieutenant Colonel Lou Corbin - Former Army Intelligence and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Luis Alvarez - Nuclear Physicist, Robertson Panel Member and Nobel Peace Prize Winner 1968

Luther H O'Banian - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Air Traffic Controller

Rear Admiral M Herbert B Knowles - US Navy

Dr Magoroh Maruyama - Consultant in Anthropology & Social Psychology, Berkeley, California and NICAP Special Advisor

Sergeant Manuel Marcilino - Portuguese Air Force, Ota Air Base

Marie H Matthews - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Tower Controller

Dr Marcus Bach - State University of Iowa

Mark McCandlish - US Air Force

Martyn Stubbs - Secret NASA Transmission Department, NASA

Marvin W Skipworth - Judge, District Court of Oregon

Dr Maurice Biot - Leading Aerodynamicist and mathematical physicist

Maurice Chatelain - Former NASA Apollo Director of Communications

Captain Max M Jacoby - Chief Pilot, Pioneer Airlines

Merle Shane McDow - US Navy (Top Secret SCI Clearance Zebra Badge)

Michael Smith - US Air Force, Aircraft Control/Early Warning Operation

Professor Michio Kaku - Author of Theoretical Physics

Mikhail Gorbachev - Former Soviet President

Deputy Montgomery - Tehama County Sheriff's Office, California

Morton Gerla - Aviation Ordnance, Past Director N.Y.Chapter, American Rocket Society, NICAP Special Advisor

General Nathan Twinning - Chief of Staff US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Newell Schneider - Sherriff's Office, Hillside, Michigan

Dr Nicholas E. Wagman - Director, Allegheny Observatory

Nick Pope - British Ministry of Defence Official, Head of the "UFO desk" at Air Secretariat 2-A

Professor N N Kohanowski - Geologist & Mining Engineer, University of North Dakota, NICAP Special Advisor

Norman S Bean - Director of Engineering Development and NICAP Special Advisor

Dr Norman S Wolf - Radiation Biologist, University of Washington, Seattle, Wash and NICAP Special Advisor

Air Marshall Nurjadin Roesmin - Former Commander in Chief of the Indonesian Air Force

Paul R Hill - Aeronautical Research Engineer

Pavel Popovich - Pioneer USSR Cosmonaut

Captain Peter W. Killian - American Airlines

Colonel Philip J Corso - Former Head of Foreign Technology, The Pentagon. Director of Intelligence on Eisenhower's National Security Staff. Army Intelligence Officer

Captain R B McLaughlin - US Navy Missile Expert, Naval Ordnance Laboratory and NICAP Special Advisor

R C Munroe - Engineering Standards Section Head of Raytheon Manufacturing Company

R L Messmore - US Civil Aeronautics Administration Airways Operations Specialist

Edited September 28, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

The most earth like planet so far has been found about 20 light years away circling a red dwarf star. Six planets have been found in the system but one of those planets is VERY earth like. Scientists say its a solid planet and its position is in the "goldilocks" zone. Meaning its not too hot and not to cold for life. Scientist say the planet likey has liquid on its surface. What that liquid is is any body's guess. So far over 400 planets have been found since the first planet outside our solar system was found back in 1995.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2022489,00.html?hpt=T2

Astronomer says odds of life on this planet is.........100%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39427032

Edited September 30, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

Folks this keeps getting more and more interesting. The UN’s Mazlan Othman, who was appointed as the UN ambassador to extraterrestrials this past Monday will be attending a conference at the Royal Academy where the topic is:

"Towards a scientific and societal agenda on extra-terrestrial life". Could something really be going on? Here are things that have happened this week and past month:

1. Just yesterday there was announcement of a major discovery involving an earth like planet in the "goldilocks zone" around its star. One of the astronomers said there is a 100% chance of life there.

2. This past Monday former Air Force personnel came forward about extraterrestrial UFOs deactivating nukes.

3. This past Monday Mazlan Othman was appointed as the U.N. ambassador to extraterrestrials

4. This past Monday there was an article in the Washington Post that talks about physicist Steven Hawkings statements about extraterrestrial life and his belief that universe could have been created without God.

5. Wednesday, congress approves a $19 billion NASA budget for a human spaceflight plan that takes aim at missions to an asteroid and ultimately to Mars.

6. A senior Vatican scientist says "Intelligent aliens may be living among the stars are are likely to have souls"

7. Then there is the series on NBC that premiered last week called "The Event" which is mainly about human extraterrestrials living on earth and the black president of the United States attempts to tell the American people we are not alone in the Universe.

8. Last month the 6th man to walk on the moon, Dr, Edgar Mitchell said "your government and others have been in contact with ET’s for over 67 years."

9. Last month UFO shuts down a China airport twice!

The UFO that shut down the China airport was seen by hundreds of people. Here is the strange object that shut down the airport. We know this event happen because planes were diverted and the airport shut down because of it. This is the biggest mass event since the Phoenix Lights in 1997 and the UFOs over the capitol building in Washington DC in 1952. Nothing about this looks conventional! We know its not experimental aircraft because the Chinese government doesn't have anything that advanced and the U.S. government certainly wouldn't be flying its experimental aircraft over Chinese air space. BTW these images were taken by different people.

Kinda makes you wonder...will there finally be a disclosure on this after more than 60 years? If disclosure comes, it would likely be a slow process. Instead of coming on national TV and say aliens are visiting us, they will tell us they have detected extraterrestrial life (non-intelligent). Or they would say they detected artificial signals coming from space. That would help prepare us for the really BIG news.

Four panel debates at the conference at the Royal Academy are to include:

1 Calling ET

2 Societal questions raised by the detection of extra-terrestrial life

3 What could studies of extra-terrestrial life tell us about the future of humanity?

4 Extra-terrestrial life and arising political issues for the UN agenda

http://royalsociety.org/extra-terrestrial-life/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/30/mars-asteroid-congress-approves-nasa-budget/

Edited October 1, 2010 by cityboi

[Allison Slater]

I'll be watching this thread a bit more closely for a while. Definitely some interesting things going on.

[cityboi]

tSlater, a lot does seem to be happening. When all this finally comes out, our lives will change forever on so many different levels. The earth like planet 20 light years away sounds interesting. Just to show how far a way it is, If you had you TV antenna tuned in on that planet, you would just be getting signal from shows in 1990s such as the Cosby Show spin-off, A different World. On political news, you would see tv signals showing the first George Bush as our president. On a cosmic scale, this planet is in our back yard.

Edited October 5, 2010 by cityboi

[Allison Slater]

I'm not too interested in that planet.. I don't subscribe to the theory that an alien place has to be just like ours to have intelligent life -- that assumes that alien life shares our requirements for life, which is something we cannot prove until we find and learn about it.

The talk about admissions to alien life visiting us, however, does interest me.

[Charlotteman]

...It assumes that alien life shares our requirements for life, which is something we cannot prove until we find and learn about it.

Man always assumes extraterrestrial life forms will be carbon based. We are thinking much too small. As tSlater has suggested, life forms might have completely different requirements than we do. i.e. possibly silicon based life, possibly even entities that require temperatures of 10,000F to exist.

Man also assumes ETs will be a few hundred or a thousand years ahead of us. Still thinking much too small. What about civilizations that are millions of years ahead of humanity? Perhaps entities of that advancement might not even need physical bodies like us. Or perhaps they only need bodies the size of earthly bacteria (?)

If aliens have evolved to the extent they only require virus sized bodies, then we can't dismiss the possibility that they have been on Earth all along. UFOs might not have anything to do with some aliens.....

[cityboi]

Man always assumes extraterrestrial life forms will be carbon based. We are thinking much too small. As tSlater has suggested, life forms might have completely different requirements than we do. i.e. possibly silicon based life, possibly even entities that require temperatures of 10,000F to exist.

Man also assumes ETs will be a few hundred or a thousand years ahead of us. Still thinking much too small. What about civilizations that are millions of years ahead of humanity? Perhaps entities of that advancement might not even need physical bodies like us. Or perhaps they only need bodies the size of earthly bacteria (?)

If aliens have evolved to the extent they only require virus sized bodies, then we can't dismiss the possibility that they have been on Earth all along. UFOs might not have anything to do with some aliens.....

I agree....there may be intelligent life out there so advanced, they me look at us the way we look a primitive apes. There may be life out there that requires carbon dioxide to breath instead of oxygen. There may be life out there that doesn't need to breath at all. So yes if we want to detect life out there, we need to look at all possibilities and not just look for life like on Earth. Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Edited October 6, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

Fresh Report of UFO Over China Marks 8th Time Since June. Another China airport shut down due to a UFO. A plane had to avoid hitting it. Folks, this isn't from a sci-fi flick this is really happening.

"The alert was triggered by bright lights in the sky that moved erratically, but reports claim that air traffic controllers at the Hohhot Air Traffic Management Bureau spotted the object on their radar.

After about an hour, the object and the lights suddenly vanished and passenger jets were allowed to land."

Ok here we have a confirmed case of strange lights moving erratically and has been recorded on radar. Then they just vanished off the radar!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/fresh-report-ufo-chinas-skies/story?id=11814100

Government officials are saying it was a military exercise but no body buys that. These craft are doing incredible things we aren't capable of doing. If it were a military exercise, that means the Chinese have anti-gravity propulsion technology. Something is going on. The United Nations just set up an ET contact position (you wonder why they would do that now), recently more credible officials have been coming out saying UFOs are real and these UFOs are starting to get bolder making their presence known. Its also striking that these UFO reports are starting to make big media news and with less ridicule and snickering. It kinda makes you wonder about that 2012 thing. 2012 is just around the corner.

images (taken by different witnesses) of the UFO that shut down the Chinese airport last month.

This doesn't look like a military craft to me and certainly the Chinese wouldn't have anything this advanced. This thing is HUGE!

here is another article posted today on AOL News about a Chinese scientist predicting "UFOs to bring 'Great Events' "

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/ufos-to-bring-great-events-chinese-scientist-predicts/19661107?test=latestnews

Edited October 6, 2010 by cityboi

[Charlotteman]

^^ of course no one is buying the official Chinese line "it was a military experiment". If it really were an experimental craft, why on earth would the Chinese military fly it over a busy airport? Technology that advanced would be flown in remote areas, to keep it secret!

Here we go again with Judge Judy's famous saying "If it doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't the truth."

It looks to me as though a critical mass is building. Sooooooooooo many sightings, so many reports from past astronauts, so many speeches from former intelligence officers, NASA photographs being leaked, the former Canadian intelligence director has made statements, the Vatican is talking about it....even Pres. Clinton is on tape saying there's a government inside the government that won't allow the truth out.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox et al are continually reporting UFO stories these days. I really do think we're reaching a critical mass, whereas the truth is practically going to explode in our faces.

[Charlotteman]

quick update:

At 3:30PM Pacific time 10/7/2010, the "UFO over China's airport" is the 57th most searched google topic.

This isn't some silly conspiracy spoof. People must be realizing the importance of this. On searches, almost every major news organization is reporting this.

[cityboi]

quick update:

At 3:30PM Pacific time 10/7/2010, the "UFO over China's airport" is the 57th most searched google topic.

This isn't some silly conspiracy spoof. People must be realizing the importance of this. On searches, almost every major news organization is reporting this.

and the news organizations are reporting it in a serious manner, not the typical ridicule and snickering from the news anchors. I think this is the most important event since the "Phoenix Lights" back in 1997. Sooner or later its gonna come out so people better be prepared to handle the truth because the "truth" is totally different from what we have been taught about the world and ourselves.

[cityboi]

Here is footage taken back in 1990. The camera is pointed towards Area 51 and clearly you can see a craft darting across the sky at unbelievable speeds. The ONLY explanation for those kinds of maneuvers is anti-gravity propulsion and you know what that means. No pilot could possibly stand the G forces that this craft would produce unless the gravity inside the ship itself was affected. Whether you think this particular craft is alien or not, clearly our government has made major breakthroughs in science and aviation that has not yet been revealed to the public......you have to wonder why the government would keep this secret. The fact that our government has anti-gravity propulsion technology proves the UFO phenomena is real. Remember the latest aviation technology revealed to us by our U.S. government in 1991 is stealth and that technology is more than 45 years old. What have they been doing since? Ben Rich, former Vice President of Lockheed ("father of Stealth"), who admitted that extraterrestrial UFOs are real, stated that our government has things out in the desert that would make George Lucas envious.

This video was taken in 1990, around the time that scientist Bob Lazar claimed he worked on at project at the "S4 base" at Area 51 to help back engineer an extraterrestrial craft. Bob Lazar claimed that the government would periodically have test flights on the base of alien craft and the footage below seems to corroborate with his story. Bob Lazar also made stunning statements about the ETs themselves. Lazar said the "grays" come from the star system Zeta Reticuli and that they have been with us for thousands of years and have altered the genetics of human beings more than 60 times...(which could explain how man evolved from ape and that also ties in with alien abductions where ETs take genetic samples from humans.) So you can understand what this knowledge would do to the church and clearly that would be a major reason for the cover up.

Q: You mentioned these beings have historically interacted with man. How? What was involved there?

A (Bob Lazar): This interaction has occured since man was a simian creature. There were genetic alterations made.

Q: How specifically did the briefings detail how the aliens manipulated our genetics over the centuries.

A (Bob Lazar): It mentioned 65 or 63 corrections or additions to the genetic make-up that finally resulted in a human creature.

Q: How does the craft achieve lift?

A (Bob Lazar): It produces a gravity wave which is similar to the gravity wave that the Earth produces. However the craft phase-shifts the wave - in other words it turns the wave, not really in opposite polarity, but something to that effect - where it will work against the natural gravity wave of the Earth, and it produces lift in that effect."

Q: Is there any internal protection for the crew? Does the craft generate a gravitational field inside the craft itself?

A (Bob Lazar): Well the craft generates its own gravitational field. Being inside that field essentially... doesn't shield you but essentially you're in - and this is a terrible way to say it - almost in a different realm, because you're now influenced only by that gravitational field... for instance people wonder how a craft like this can make a turn at

such high speed - a 90 degree turn - when they would imagine people slamming up against the wall or something to that effect, well that really wouldn't happen - inertia would have no effect. You're in a distortion - and don't forget that gravity distorts time and space - so really nothing is gonna influence you while you're in there."

Some say Bob Lazar is lying about all of it.....but if he were lying, why would the U.S. government hide the fact that he was a scientist that worked at Los Alamos in New Mexico? UFO investigators called the Los Alamos base and asked if Bob Lazar worked there and they responded by saying they never heard of him. Later his name was found in a Los Alamos directory and that he was indeed a scientist there. Clearly he was a scientist who worked on top secret projects for the U.S. government, that we know is fact. Bob Lazar also produced his pay stubs which has the department of Naval intelligence on them. For years it has been said that the department of Naval Intelligence plays a major role in the UFO phenomena. Oddly enough Bob Lazar's past records seems to have been erased and no one can find public records on him.

The 1990 footage of a craft over Area 51

another video from 1995 that shows a strange craft performing similar maneuvers by flying rapidly and stopping on a dime....this time the source of the video is from the U.S. government. Its a strange craft over Nellis Airforce Base near Area 51. This is the most damning evidence which should put to rest whether or not UFOs are real. When the show "Hard Copy" called Nellis Airforce base about the unknown object caught on their own videos, they declined to comment. That right there tells you they are hiding something. The tapes were smuggled off of the Airforce base. Clearly the Airforce didn't intend for these videos to be public.

The Nellis Airforce Base UFO from Hard Copy. (There are clips of two videos. One shows and extremely large object darting off to the right. If it were a conventional craft, the G forces would kill the person inside. The second clip shows an object bouncing around the sky like a pinball in pinball machine.) Unlike most videos, you can't say its a hoax because it is a government video. To this day, skeptics have not been able to debunk the Nellis Airforce Base videos. There are only two possibilities...either its a government black project or an alien craft. In either case we are looking at anti-gravity propulsion based on the maneuvers......But there is something to take note of.....when the military tests secret craft, their government tracking cameras are turned off which means this genuine government footage would not exist if it were a test aircraft. That only leaves one possibility and that is something extraterrestrial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo

This image surface in the 1990s and allegedly is a photo of an actual gray alien. The photo originates from the Mexican government and was obtained by a police officer.

Supposedly this is a Chinese government photo of dead alien. As you can see it looks very human like but not quite human.

This is allegedly a real photo of one of the Roswell aliens. Eye witnesses from the 1940s that said they saw the bodies and that they looked like little children, almost Chinese like. Witnesses from Roswell said they looked very human but at the same time not human.

There is no way to 100% prove these images are real aliens......but among the many fake photos out there, a few are likely real. But because they are mixed up with so many fake photos out there, we'll never know which ones are real.

But one thing that is often overlooked and was never covered by major U.S. media was the fact that the Mexican government came out and officially said UFOs are real......Its seems that people will only believe it when the U.S. government admits it..........

But I think a big reason why the U.S. wont disclose this is because they don't have all the answers. They really don't know for sure what they are or where they come from even though they may communicate to them where they are from. Are they really ETs or are they actually the biblical fallen angels on earth here to deceive all of us? Biblical scripture tells us there will be a "DELUSION, DECEPTION OF THE END TIMES will be so great, that WERE IT POSSIBLE, EVEN THE ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED." Looks like some in our government are trying to get a grip on whats reality and they don't know the whole truth themselves. One thing is for sure, the phenomena is real. Bottom line, there would indeed be panic if this were to come out.

Edited October 12, 2010 by cityboi

[cityboi]

The show "Sightings" also did a segment on the Nellis Air Force base UFO and it turns out that a similar craft performing the same maneuvers was spotted over Mexico City during an eclipse. Its almost if if the occupants of the craft wanted to be seen.

If you want to know the biggest reason for the cover-up, according to former government officials, the UFO phenomena is connected to our origins. Most people wouldn't be able to handle it because it would rock the foundations of all religions on earth. We know that man developed in stages over the past 200,000 years. The evidence is in the ground which is the basis for evolution. But some scientists are now saying that man couldn't have evolved naturally, so dramatically over the past 200,000 years. That would indicate some sort of unnatural intervention. Some even argue that its more realistic for an extraterrestrial race to alter our genetics than for God to wave his hand with us magically appearing on Earth as described in the Book of Genesis. This would be the debate if the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrial are declassified. Many however would still cling to their faiths and view these extraterrestrial beings as demons trying to deceive us into believing there is no God. But if the truth were different from what the traditional religions have taught, what does that say about Jesus, Mohammad and other messiahs? What does that say about the Ten commandments and all the moral guidelines set by God? People would then realize there are no moral consequences for their actions and the things we are taught in the Bible and other religious texts that are wrong would not be considered morally wrong under this "new truth". Disclosure is complicated on so many different levels and thats why the Brookings Report prepared for NASA suggested there could be a break down in society if it were known that there is other life out there. This is just one of the major ramifications of disclosure. Disclosure would upset the world power structure and it could also lead to the world economy collapsing if radical ideas and technologies are introduced to us all of a sudden. With these technologies there would be no more need for oil or coal as an energy source and if oil was all of sudden substituted with free energy, millions of people around the world would lose their jobs and it would have a trickle down effect on the world economy. This is a big reason everyone doesn't have an electric car in their garages today. You see why they don't want to disclose this once you really look at the reasons for keeping this secret. You can't really blame them because this is some pretty scary stuff. But what could be even more frightening is that there may be other unknown reasons for keeping this secret like what happens to mankind in the future. It seems that every time man "evolved" to a new stage, something happened on a global level that nearly wiped out much of the life on the planet. I have a feeling we have not finished "evolving". If mankind is around in another hundred thousand years, we may look different from what we look like today and maybe 10 times more intelligent. Even without back engineering alien technology and given enough time, we would eventually figure out how to travel the stars and visited other planets just as we have been visited. Imagine us 5,000 or 10,000 years from now being able to travel to the stars and eventually be able to jump start life on other planets ourselves as some sort of grand scientific experiment. Then we would be the aliens. We ourselves may be a grand scientific experiment. Today we have the capability of genetic manipulation. Just imagine what we might be able to do in another 5,000 years. Science doesn't stand still. There is already talk by some scientists about "terraforming of Mars" in the distant future, making it habitable for life.

Bob Dean, is a retired Command Sergeant Major in the US Army who was assigned to S.H.A.P.E. (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe) in 1963 According to Dean, he had "Cosmic Top Secret" clearance which gave him access to information regarding UFOs and extraterrestrials. Dean claimed he had access to a report ordered to be compiled by British Air Marshall Sir Thomas Geoffrey Pike, Deputy SACEUR

The titles of some of the annexes of the report, Dean states, were as follows:

- Radar and Electromagnetic Effects

- Optical and Light Analysis

- Photographic and Holographic Analysis

- Historical Research and Historical Evidence

- Metallurgical and Technical Analysis

- Atmospheric Physics and Meteorology

- Biological Analysis and Autopsies

- Sociological Problems

- Psychological Problems

- Theological Implications

- Worldwide Effects

Bob Dean says he had access to information that proved that the human race is a hybrid species of early simian man and an extraterrestrial race and that we were genetically altered (this jives with Bob Lazar's claim). According to Dean, this is how we became upright intelligent beings. What is clear is that there is indeed DNA in every human that has an unknown origin. Scientists call this "junk DNA" and it has no known biological function. Bon Dean also states that the on going "alien abductions" are part of the genetic manipulation program that has resulted in the "evolution" of man over the past 200,000 years.

interesting 5 part interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5G_snEHopQ&feature=related

cave art from 6,000 bc that appears to be an alien abduction. The craft in the sky is saucer shaped has windows with people looking out of them. Also notice that people and cows being lifted up by this object. Cow mutilations have been associated with alien abductions.

Edited October 12, 2010 by cityboi

[Charlotteman]

Interesting video, but as with other "eye witnesses", we can't be sure that Bob Dean isn't a disinformation officer for the CIA. We've discussed it over and over---UFO stories give the military perfect cover stories to do secret things.

I don't know much about Bob Dean, but I'm 99% convinced Bob Lazar is a disinformation officer. If Bob Lazar was actually telling the truth, the CIA would have already killed him years and years ago. The CIA "eliminates" people all the time! Do ya'll think they would actually let a "loose cannon" like Lazar live to tell those things?

The issue of religion and it's unstable structure is a great argument. The majority of human beings on this planet (i.e. BILLIONS of people) believe in the existence of gods and demons, spirits and angels, devils and ghosts. Mankind is awash in magical thinking....invisible gods and demons are always around to scare the hell out of people.

Perhaps it's true. Maybe mankind really isn't ready for the truth. Mankind is not very sophisticated.....we can't even stop warring with each other, and half of us think the invisible gods are on "our side". Half of the fundamentalist christians I knew in Florida thought UFO/aliens were "demons". With this kind of mentality running rampant, maybe the government is wise enough to shut the hell up.

[cityboi]

Bob Lazar and Robert Dean disinformation agents? That certainly is a real possibility. One thing about disinformation agents is that they often mix truth with lies. But the most unsettling thing would be if the human race was genetically altered and we were some kind of hybrid between early man and extraterrestrials. What if we found out we were some giant scientific experiment and nothing more than a large ant farm? What would be the meaning of life then? I think its pretty clear that we are here because of a higher intelligence. Its difficult to believe mankind was formed out of chaos. Most believe the Adam and Eve story and that we were literally created by God from the dirt. This is the same story that tells us the Earth was created in 7 days despite the physical evidence that shows Earth was formed over millions and millions of years. On the other hand there are those who believe we are the product of extraterrestrial intervention. The latter would clearly shatter man's ego and the belief system of all religions. But the truth be told, God would technically be an extraterrestrial. But yes Christians would call these UFOs and ET a product of the devil and if ETs were to openly walk among us, people would be grabbing their rifles saying we need to kill these devils. Our war like mentality is probably the reason they haven't made themselves known on a mass scale. We still judge each other based on skin color even though we are all human. I could imagine how we would treat an entirely different intelligent humanoid species.

Edited October 13, 2010 by cityboi

[Charlotteman]

..... if ETs were to openly walk among us, people would be grabbing their rifles saying we need to kill these devils. Our war like mentality is probably the reason they haven't made themselves known on a mass scale.

I had never considered this possibility, but I fear you are correct, and it frightens the hell out of me. I can just picture some whacko waiting to ambush extraterrestrials, since "the preacher said they are demons."

After all, whackos ambush and assassinate abortion doctors, after hearing their pastors ranting and raving about "dead babies". Imagine an alien, or a group of aliens being shot dead somewhere in the world~

Potentially one of the biggest tragedies of all time. No damn wonder aliens don't openly walk among us.