Greenville area population statistics

[distortedlogic]

56 minutes ago, gman430 said:

WE HAVE A TON OF MOSQUITOES, SNAKES, SPIDERS, HUMIDITY, CRIME, POTHOLES, STUPID DRIVERS AND LITTER. OH AND GODZILLA TOO. STOP MOVING HERE!!!!  
 

...unless you’re bringing JetBlue and a 35 story high rise.

Exactly; maybe the litter and potholes you love so much is a secret attempt to reduce the desirability of the area. 

[goodbye]

Considering the aforementioned negative elements existed in various forms during the last decade+ of growth, I doubt they will significantly affect future growth.  Let the region grow too fast for a while and that will likely cause more negative infrastructural effects than anything else.  People are often pleasantly surprised because their first experience exceeds their expectations.  These overwhelmingly positive experiences have been mentioned as reasons for eventual relocations.

[distortedlogic]

This is interesting.  Under a new proposal,  MSAs not having a core city with at least 100,000 people would lose its MSA staus and become a micropolitan SA. By this standard, Greenville and Spartanburg would lose MSA staus. But the article is unclear and shows a map with 144 areas potentially affected and nither Gville or Sptbg are on there, though 2 in SC are; looks like Sumter/ Florence areas. 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/bye-bismarck-144-cities-could-lose-status-as-metro-areas

 

[timbach]

3 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

This is interesting.  Under a new proposal,  MSAs not having a core city with at least 100,000 people would lose its MSA staus and become a micropolitan SA. By this standard, Greenville and Spartanburg would lose MSA staus. But the article is unclear and shows a map with 144 areas potentially affected and nither Gville or Sptbg are on there, though 2 in SC are; looks like Sumter/ Florence areas. 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/bye-bismarck-144-cities-could-lose-status-as-metro-areas

 

 

I just looked it up because I was curious. When they say "city," they really mean "urban area." That's why Greenville and Spartanburg aren't on the list to lose the MSA status.

"Each metropolitan statistical area must have at least one urbanized area of 50,000 or more inhabitants."

Source: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html

Edited March 7, 2021 by timbach

[motonenterprises]

4 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

This is interesting.  Under a new proposal,  MSAs not having a core city with at least 100,000 people would lose its MSA staus and become a micropolitan SA. By this standard, Greenville and Spartanburg would lose MSA staus. But the article is unclear and shows a map with 144 areas potentially affected and nither Gville or Sptbg are on there, though 2 in SC are; looks like Sumter/ Florence areas. 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/bye-bismarck-144-cities-could-lose-status-as-metro-areas

 

They don't use fake city limits populations. Lol.

56 minutes ago, timbach said:

I just looked it up because I was curious. When they say "city," they really mean "urban area." That's why Greenville and Spartanburg aren't on the list to lose the MSA status.

"Each metropolitan statistical area must have at least one urbanized area of 50,000 or more inhabitants."

Source: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html

Yes. And the Greenville UA is around 500k.

[distortedlogic]

Yeah but what about this quote?

Under the new proposal, a metro area would have to have at least 100,000 people in its core city to count as an MSA, double the 50,000-person threshold that has been in place for the past 70 years. Cities formerly designated as metros with core populations between 50,000 and 100,000 people, like Bismarck and Sheboygan, would be changed to “micropolitan" statistical areas instead.

Greenville and Spartanburg would fall into this category as a core city in an MSA with less than 100k. This doesn't make much sense. A metro are is a metro area because of the area the city is in. The city limit population should not be the determining factor as we all know city limit sizes are very random. 

There is another possible change in determining UAs though:

In a separate proposal, the U.S. Census Bureau is considering a change to the definition of an urban area. The proposal made public last month would use housing instead of people for distinguishing urban from rural. An area will be considered urban if it has 385 housing units per square mile, roughly the equivalent of 1,000 people per square mile, under the new proposal. The current standard is 500 people per square mile.

[motonenterprises]

16 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Yeah but what about this quote?

Under the new proposal, a metro area would have to have at least 100,000 people in its core city to count as an MSA, double the 50,000-person threshold that has been in place for the past 70 years. Cities formerly designated as metros with core populations between 50,000 and 100,000 people, like Bismarck and Sheboygan, would be changed to “micropolitan" statistical areas instead.

Greenville and Spartanburg would fall into this category as a core city in an MSA with less than 100k. This doesn't make much sense. A metro are is a metro area because of the area the city is in. The city limit population should not be the determining factor as we all know city limit sizes are very random. 

There is another possible change in determining UAs though:

In a separate proposal, the U.S. Census Bureau is considering a change to the definition of an urban area. The proposal made public last month would use housing instead of people for distinguishing urban from rural. An area will be considered urban if it has 385 housing units per square mile, roughly the equivalent of 1,000 people per square mile, under the new proposal. The current standard is 500 people per square mile.

Can't be used. City limit laws and annexation are different in each state. It's flawed especially in this state. You have places like Augusta that have a consolidated city-county. If Greenville did this it would be huge. It's just flawed. They would look at all of that.

[distortedlogic]

https://www.wspa.com/news/local-news/zoom-town-at-least-3000-high-earning-remote-workers-have-moved-to-greenville-in-2021/amp/

 

Here's another aspect of this. I'm not sure if this is a positive or not. Sure they bring money for the community but are they bringing the same way of doing things with them as well? IDK, I think we're growing to fast now and there's no stopping it now. 

Edited March 17, 2021 by distortedlogic

[goodbye]

5 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

https://www.wspa.com/news/local-news/zoom-town-at-least-3000-high-earning-remote-workers-have-moved-to-greenville-in-2021/amp/

 

Here's another aspect of this. I'm not sure if this is a positive or not. Sure they bring money for the community but are they bringing the same way of doing things with them as well? IDK, I think we're growing to fast now and there's no stopping it now. 

That kind of goes with my point that attempting to lower potential newcomers' expectations will likely have no impact beyond setting them up for an even greater surprise when they visit.  People looking to escape major metropolitan areas during the pandemic likely had seen and experienced worse conditions than the few negative elements mentioned here (litter/potholes/traffic) in other places.  Aside from the obvious economic benefits, rapid population growth is not all bad if it causes citizens, leaders, and developers, to consider and implement better planning for future sustainability, not simply "putting on makeup" by adding landscaping to major highway intersections.  For example, this growth may help bring some much needed change to our public transit system and broader support for alternative transportation options.  The urgency to look for higher density development along major corridors providing a variety of healthy and safe options for transportation (including pedestrians) should continue to gain momentum.  The growth should also continue to diversify the workforce, add jobs in several different industries, and bring more corporate partners (headquarters) to the city.

[gman430]

6 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

https://www.wspa.com/news/local-news/zoom-town-at-least-3000-high-earning-remote-workers-have-moved-to-greenville-in-2021/amp/

 

Here's another aspect of this. I'm not sure if this is a positive or not. Sure they bring money for the community but are they bringing the same way of doing things with them as well? IDK, I think we're growing to fast now and there's no stopping it now. 

More people moving here=more airlines/destinations from the airport and potentially more high rises.  

[GvilleSC]

Little write up here about the increase in education attainment, with a direct look at the increase in Greenville County: https://patch.com/south-carolina/greenville-sc/greenville-area-increases-share-college-grads

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In Greenville County, an estimated 35.1 percent of residents 25 and older held a bachelor's or graduate degree between 2015 and 2019. That's an increase from 2010-2014, when an estimated 31.6 percent of residents 25 and older held such a degree.

 

[distortedlogic]

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/estimates-population-housing-units.html

So here were the estimates released in Dec for 7/1/2020. We got the 7/1 estimates before the official 4/2020 census results. But, did actual census results, which we know they have, hold any bearing on the estimates?

In years past, the county estimates came out in late March, but this year they have been moved back to May 4 and are scheduled to be released at the same time as the city estimates. We're normally supposed to have census numbers out before the end of the year in which they were taken.  We are now almost a year out.

[gman430]

And here we go: 

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2021/05/04/us-census-horry-greenville-lexington-counties-grew-fastest-south-carolina/4894990001/?fbclid=IwAR3W5TK0xoEATLCtUthhrXq6K-JF0GGVlB_mSjA5dSqdMQh967Npvd3crTw

1. Horry County, 23% growth, added 62,881
2. Berkeley County, 21% growth, added 37,201
3. Lancaster County, 20% growth, added 15,656
4. York County, 18% growth, added 39,799
5. Dorchester County, 16% growth, added 21,744
6. Jasper County, 16% growth, added 3,880
7. Beaufort County, 15% growth, added 23,862
8. Charleston County, 14.5%, added 50,956
9. Greenville County, 12%, added 55,778
10. Lexington County, 11%, added 27,887
11. Spartanburg County, 8%, added 23,310
12. Richland County, 7%, added 26,853
13. Anderson County, 6%, added 10,938

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by gman430

[distortedlogic]

I don't think the article is well written. It starts by saying Greenville County added 25,000 last year but does not give a total pop as of 2020. It later gives an estimate for numbers from just 2010 to 2019, omitting last years estimates. It later talks about counties growing from 2010 to 2020 but gives 2019 numbers. If Greenville county grew by 55k from 2010 to 2019 and by 25k last year, that would be 80k, and a much larger percentage than 10.7, or whatever it has. It's all over the place. 

Interestingly,  the 25k would lend creedence to the MSA figures we saw before saying Greenville MSA grew by 38k last year alone. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by distortedlogic

[GvilleSC]

3 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

I don't think the article is well written. It starts by saying Greenville County added 25,000 last year but does not give a total pop as of 2020. It later gives an estimate for numbers from just 2010 to 2019, omitting last years estimates. It later talks about counties growing from 2010 to 2020 but gives 2019 numbers. If Greenville county grew by 55k from 2010 to 2019 and by 25k last year, that would be 80k, and a much larger percentage than 10.7, or whatever it has. It's all over the place. 

I thought the same thing. Very poorly written. 

[timbach]

Based on the estimates released (compared to 2019 estimates): 

Greenville County added 7,738 people (2020 estimate: 532,486) 
Greenville-Anderson MSA added 13,782 people (2020 estimate: 921,594)
Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA added 17,493 (2020 estimate: 1,494,306)

In case you notice slight discrepancies between the math with the 2019 estimates, the Census Bureau also updates previous estimates with the new data. So, for example, last year they had the Greenville County 2019 estimate as 523,542, this new data has the 2019 estimate as 524,748)

Data Source

Edited May 4, 2021 by timbach

[distortedlogic]

4 hours ago, timbach said:

Based on the estimates released (compared to 2019 estimates): 

Greenville County added 7,738 people (2020 estimate: 532,486) 
Greenville-Anderson MSA added 13,782 people (2020 estimate: 921,594)
Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA added 17,493 (2020 estimate: 1,494,306)

In case you notice slight discrepancies between the math with the 2019 estimates, the Census Bureau also updates previous estimates with the new data. So, for example, last year they had the Greenville County 2019 estimate as 523,542, this new data has the 2019 estimate as 524,748)

Data Source

Thanks. According to that, the 2020 Greenville Anderson Mauldin MSA is 932,705. The 921 above was the 2019 estimate. Looks like the MSA should go over 1MM by about 2026 or 2027 (unless there is anything to that huge growth in 2020) and the CSA should already be over 1.5MM. Greenville county, if the rate continues, will pass 600k around 2028.  Also, by this estimate, the county did indeed gain about 81k since the last census, passed only by Horry's 96K.

[vicupstate]

When will the new city population estimates be out?  

[timbach]

7 hours ago, vicupstate said:

When will the new city population estimates be out?  

May 27, 2021, according to their schedule

[gman430]

Counties: 

1. Greenville - 525,534 (16.5% change)
2. Richland - 416,147 (8.2%)
3. Charleston - 408,235 (16.6%)
4. Horry - 351,029 (30.4%)
5. Spartanburg - 327,997 (15.4%)
6. Lexington - 293,991 (12%)
7. York - 282,090 (24.8%)
8. Berkeley - 229,861 (29.2%)
9. Anderson - 203,718 (8.9%)
10. Beaufort - 187,117 (15.3%)
11. Aiken - 168,808 (5.4%)
12. Dorchester - 161,540 (18.3%)
13. Florence - 137,059 (0.1%)
14. Pickens - 131,404 (10.2%)
15. Sumter - 105,556 (-1.8%)
16. Lancaster - 96,016 (25.3%)

 

Cities: 

Charleston - 150,227
Columbia - 136,632
N Charleston - 114,852
Mt Pleasant - 90,801
Rock Hill - 74,372
Greenville - 70,720

Edited August 12, 2021 by gman430

[NewlyUpstate]

Census numbers are starting to come out. I really wish annexation laws in South Carolina were more forgiving. The city lines really need to be fixed to more represent what the city of Greenville actually looks like.  It's pretty crazy to me that the city of Greenville is only 13% of the county population.

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The census set Greenville County’s population at 525,534, compared to 451,225 in 2010, a 16% increase. The city of Greenville accounted for a lot of that increase, growing by 12,311 people, an increase of 21% from 58,409 to 70,720

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The other municipalities in Greenville County posted total population gains, especially Travelers Rest, where the population rose from 4,570 to 7,788, a 70% increase.

https://www.thestate.com/news/upstate/article253449029.html

[distortedlogic]

Wow, looks like may of the estimates continue to be way off. Of course there is no way to get an exact count, they're all estimates anyway. I just wonder how accurate last year's count was given the outbreak and election year, etc. Regardless, CHS walking away with it, Greenville not catching anybody...

[NewlyUpstate]

3 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Wow, looks like may of the estimates continue to be way off. Of course there is no way to get an exact count, they're all estimates anyway. I just wonder how accurate last year's count was given the outbreak and election year, etc. Regardless, CHS walking away with it, Greenville not catching anybody...

Maybe if they fixed the fact that you can walk to the city boundary line from the center of downtown in less than 20 minutes. How weird is that?

Edited August 12, 2021 by NewlyUpstate

[vicupstate]

27 of 46 counties had population loss or nearly so (Florence).

[vicupstate]

Does anyone have the list of all cities in the state?