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Go to the group of Low and Stable to see Charlotte-Mecklenburg. Move among the lines while in the graph to see different cities. St. Louis, Baltimore and Birmingham are troubled.

This is a crime statistic graphic

 

 

 

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/02/daily-chart-3?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/

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Allowing these non-CIAA affiliated events  (that's always the defense used when something goes wrong) to take place virtually across the street from a residential neighborhood, with zero regard for noise or safety for those residents is irresponsible on the part of the city. 

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15 hours ago, KJHburg said:

CIAA Tournament should move to Chicago or Atlanta my idea.

I hope it stays in Charlotte forever.  I think the gun violence is a problem that needs to be addressed forcefully but the CIAA is headquartered here and there are a lot of positive things that come from this tournament (not just money).  There appears to be a definite association (between the tournament and the violence) but forcing the tournament to move is a bad idea in my opinion.  On the other hand, I also wouldn't respond to threats if they they tried to extract more from the city to remain here...

BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to conclude that it's very unlikely that you are a racist (I don't know anyone here so you can never be sure about anything).  People should be able to have an opinion on things without the accusation being raised every time.  Shame on that Agenda writer.

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3 hours ago, JBS said:

I hope it stays in Charlotte forever.  I think the gun violence is a problem that needs to be addressed forcefully but the CIAA is headquartered here and there are a lot of positive things that come from this tournament (not just money).  There appears to be a definite association (between the tournament and the violence) but forcing the tournament to move is a bad idea in my opinion.  On the other hand, I also wouldn't respond to threats if they they tried to extract more from the city to remain here...

BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to conclude that it's very unlikely that you are a racist (I don't know anyone here so you can never be sure about anything).  People should be able to have an opinion on things without the accusation being raised every time.  Shame on that Agenda writer.

I agree they should clamp down on these parties illegal and otherwise. If CIAA wants to leave let em leave and  I would never force anyone to leave town . According to Channel 9 a woman taking her 80 something year old mother was caught up in the cross fire and they were terrified. If this continues one day someone possibly innocent bystander will be dead. This still bad for our community. 

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3 hours ago, JBS said:

I hope it stays in Charlotte forever.  I think the gun violence is a problem that needs to be addressed forcefully but the CIAA is headquartered here and there are a lot of positive things that come from this tournament (not just money).  There appears to be a definite association (between the tournament and the violence) but forcing the tournament to move is a bad idea in my opinion.  On the other hand, I also wouldn't respond to threats if they they tried to extract more from the city to remain here...

BTW, I've seen enough of your posts to conclude that it's very unlikely that you are a racist (I don't know anyone here so you can never be sure about anything).  People should be able to have an opinion on things without the accusation being raised every time.  Shame on that Agenda writer.

What's wrong with Charlotte?  How can the CIAA tournament be hosted for decades in Raleigh, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Richmond and Hampton without series of so-called major incidents?  I don't think anyone on this forum is racist...well, not overt but something doesn't jive.  Seems to me there is a certain group of intolerant folk in Charlotte for whatever reason pounce on these types of stories while totally ignoring incidents during other events.  As I recall someone got murdered a few years ago during speed street.  All I'm saying is Charlotte seems to have an image issue, it really does and anytime urban related or large event incidents occur it seems to elevate to a "how-can-this-happen" in little ole Charlotte.  That Charlotte is gone, isn't that what they wanted to become?   Getting rid of the CIAA isn't going to change a thing other than satisfying a contingent of White people who want their weekend back.  

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For one thing since the CIAA has come to Charlotte from Raleigh it is much bigger event and the parties and so forth have gotten bigger. The tournament really has grown here and yes other events occasionally have violent crime but  I can tell you it is extremely rare.  It is NOT Charlotte but people coming from out of town that seem to cause the trouble hence the NJ plates on the car that tried to run over the cops to the 3 out of state people arrested last year for shooting up a van in front of the Hyatt Place. 

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I know countless families who love for all of their generations- from grandparents to grandbabies- to go Uptown for the CIAA. It's a once-a-year black paradise for Charlotteans (for a city without an Atlanta-like culture to draw on), and major regional thing in general for out-of-towners.

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I'm sure if there is a shooting after a NFL game everyone will clamor for them to leave too right?

I personally go to CIAA and have never seen an issue (other than complete disregard for putting your damn trash away) any worse than the numerous NFL train wreck of drunks.

That said, this incident is completely unacceptable and instead of knee jerk reactions, which might reasonably be considered racist by some, we need a plan from the police to try and prevent future incidents. I'm not a rap fan but if the allegations are true why does this culture lead to such violence and how have other cities tried to prevent it while still welcoming the shows?

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5 hours ago, KJHburg said:

For one thing since the CIAA has come to Charlotte from Raleigh it is much bigger event and the parties and so forth have gotten bigger. The tournament really has grown here and yes other events occasionally have violent crime but  I can tell you it is extremely rare.  It is NOT Charlotte but people coming from out of town that seem to cause the trouble hence the NJ plates on the car that tried to run over the cops to the 3 out of state people arrested last year for shooting up a van in front of the Hyatt Place. 

How do you know it wasn't a rental car with in-state or in-city occupants?  The CIAA might be more centralized in Charlotte but it was just as big if not bigger in RDU and other cities because I usually attend a few events every year the past 30 years. Charlotte needs it more than any other event the city hosts because it's sort of a proving ground in an area Charlotte has yet to embrace or master; extremely large non-majority White, non-business related events . Come on, think about it, Richmond, Raleigh, etc?  Charlotte can't run or hide from this one or bulldoze it down to start over. Not condoning violence, shooting, etc  but work the problem instead of wishing it away.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/barry-saunders/article62295337.html

Edit: Now that I think about it Raleigh, Greensboro, Richmond, Norfolk/Hampton and Winston-Salem all have relatively large HBCU-based institutions or large urban or in-city colleges/universities.  So they're probably more accustomed to handling these events ranging from homecoming to other campus-based events. I think the article has a hint of a sour grape response to Charlotte again capturing the CIAA.  That said an increased police presence to monitor non-sanctioned CIAA events that have known track records of  inducing criminal behavior is a start.  This doesn't mean creating a police state situation all around the event, use the damn data.

 

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2 hours ago, Durhamite said:

How do you know it wasn't a rental car with in-state or in-city occupants?  The CIAA might be more centralized in Charlotte but it was just as big if not bigger in RDU and other cities because I usually attend a few events every year the past 30 years. Charlotte needs it more than any other event the city hosts because it's sort of a proving ground in an area Charlotte has yet to embrace or master; extremely large non-majority White, non-business related events . Come on, think about it, Richmond, Raleigh, etc?  Charlotte can't run or hide from this one or bulldoze it down to start over. Not condoning violence, shooting, etc  but work the problem instead of wishing it away.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/barry-saunders/article62295337.html

Edit: Now that I think about it Raleigh, Greensboro, Richmond, Norfolk/Hampton and Winston-Salem all have relatively large HBCU-based institutions or large urban or in-city colleges/universities.  So they're probably more accustomed to handling these events ranging from homecoming to other campus-based events. I think the article has a hint of a sour grape response to Charlotte again capturing the CIAA.  That said an increased police presence to monitor non-sanctioned CIAA events that have known track records of  inducing criminal behavior is a start.  This doesn't mean creating a police state situation all around the event, use the damn data.

 

because it was some lame rapper apparently named "Young Dolph"

 

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14 hours ago, elrodvt said:

That said, this incident is completely unacceptable and instead of knee jerk reactions, which might reasonably be considered racist by some, we need a plan from the police to try and prevent future incidents.

Should be noted that this rapper was in Charlotte for an event that is in no way associated to the CIAA but, at the same time, the only reason this rapper was here was because of the CIAA.  The show at Cameo featured Migos, 21 Savage and Young Dolph.  According to this website the booking fees for all 3 total out at $150,000.  I know Charlotte is growing but I don't think it's a city that can support such bookings on a regular Saturday night.  

There is no way for the police to devise a plan to prevent future incidents, especially with the restrictions of not wanting it to look like a 'police state' as others have suggested.  The shooting happened 7.2 miles from where these artists were scheduled to perform.  A simple inference is the artists were in Uptown because that's were the everyone is and the shooters choose this location for the same reason.  The more people you have means more confusion, which in turn, provides cover for things like shooting 100 rounds into a SUV. 

Regardless of what picture people want to paint, all events are not equal.  Dale Earnhardt JR and Peyton Manning don't have their SUVs lit up when they attend NASCAR or NFL related events.  Charlotte needs to make a choice on if having an event like the CIAA is worth the risks and challenges that such an event brings.  It's not racist at all to talk about that choice openly and it's by no means critical of the event itself.  

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I'm a little late to the conversation here, but I want to give my two cents. I was actually in uptown at 6:30, the exact time of the shooting, I was in fourth ward, however. I have gone uptown for the CIAA the past three years despite being as white as Wonder Bread and having no particular taste for black culture (obligatory "I'm not a racist" disclaimer) It has always been fun, I have never has any issues with anyone for being white or 'different', never felt threatened by anyone's activities, in fact I would have to say from a personal safety standpoint I felt less safe at Speed Street than CIAA weekend. I think that speaks a lot to the general demographic that each event attracts. Yes this was a big shootout, but what percentage of all attendees were involved? Versus at Speed Street where I may not be as concerned about a shootout, but have to essentially watch my back to make sure my girlfriend isn't being accosted by some drunk redneck, or shouted at by some "you're all sinners" preacher. I think the overall crowd at the CIAA is well behaved and polite, but a few groups of gangsters and troublemakers can quickly turn things on their head. 

At least the last two years, I'm not sure about the years before that, the violence has been directed toward performers, specifically rappers. I think it might be beneficial for the CMPD to provide some form of police escort and guard for individuals known to have targets on their heads. Anyone with access to google could have found out Young Dolph had a beef with a number of people. 

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18 minutes ago, nakers2 said:

At least the last two years, I'm not sure about the years before that, the violence has been directed toward performers, specifically rappers. I think it might be beneficial for the CMPD to provide some form of police escort and guard for individuals known to have targets on their heads. Anyone with access to google could have found out Young Dolph had a beef with a number of people. 

The challenge with this is the rapper was not a part of anything related to the CIAA.  He was in town for an event held by a private business.  

In order for police protection to be provided the event venue would have to coordinate that and seeing as since they marketed out of bounds on the CIAA name when they were not supposed to I doubt they would bother with something like this.  That's of course before you consider the possibility that just someone attending the event as a spectator could also be a rapper with a beef.  So then the onus would be on the artist to schedule and pay for their own protection.  Just as doubtful there.   

My personal take is big cities and big events have stuff like this happen sometimes.  Rappers have been killed in Las Vegas when in town related to boxing events but it's not like people in Las Vegas are calling for those to no longer be held.  That said, they also are able to have conversations about the issues with big boxing and now MMA events bring without being called a racist or some other derogatory term.  

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My original post on this topic was not directed at the CIAA itself, but rather the "unaffiliated" events that were approved by the city to operate for three consecutive nights well past normal curfew hours within a hundred feet of a residential neighborhood.  I'm sure the residents there that had to wake up at 5 AM the next day to go to work at a Hospital or other job are moved by the notion that the reaction to this weekend's events are disingenuous, and that similar events that occur adjacent to NFL Football or NASCAR Speed Street are much worse by comparison. 

To me, it's simple - keep the events and have them end at 11 PM, or move them to an Entertainment Venue that is zoned for such. 

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30 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

No further comment needed just read this article http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article138161228.html  Charlotte is on this rappers new album. 

Actually the entire mixtape is dedicated to the incident and the track list reads altogether as a message to the shooter, rumored to be one of Yo Gotti's crew. There, I sound like I know what I'm talking about...hah! I just read an article. I have no clue about the rap scene, aside from some indie stuff.

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11 hours ago, KJHburg said:

No further comment by me just read this article http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article138161228.html  Charlotte is on this rappers new album. 

Pretty amazing that Phoenix has "AZ" attached to the end. It is a pretty unique city name and the 12th largest metro area in the country. 

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1 hour ago, tarhoosier said:

This could go elsewhere on this site. I will drop it here:

https://www.citylab.com/tech/2017/03/the-power-of-tech-hubs/519297/

This is an article and data about high tech clusters and Charlotte does well. Can someone explain to me how Boston is so far behind us on this ranking?

Cause these lists are mostly junk. In this case a 1 percent gain in the huge Boston market is probably more jobs than a 50% gain here (making that up  but you get the idea).

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Metro Charlotte is the setting of a new TV show on prime time on Fox about two fictional racially charged police shooting during traffic stops in a small town outside of Charlotte called "Gate Station, NC". Fox 46 news fans make frequent appearances chasing the story down for the local news. The Charlotte skyline is at the start of the premier. Riots, racial tension, what is justice, and the recent controversies in this country will all play out on prime time in our area based on the trailer. 

Wed @ 8PM on Fox

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article138587518.html

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6 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

Metro Charlotte is the setting of a new TV show on prime time on Fox about two fictional racially charged police shooting during traffic stops in a small town outside of Charlotte called "Gate Station, NC". Fox 46 news fans make frequent appearances chasing the story down for the local news. The Charlotte skyline is at the start of the premier. Riots, racial tension, what is justice, and the recent controversies in this country will all play out on prime time in our area based on the trailer. 

Wed @ 8PM on Fox

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article138587518.html

I will watch simply to catch a glimpse of Charlotte and to enjoy references to our city.  I can't get enough of that...

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