Deleted. 266 Report post Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I'm shocked and saddened by Dale's post, if I'm reading it correctly. EDIT- Silicon Dogwoods and I posted at the same time, I meant Dale's post. Edited March 25, 2016 by Piedmont767 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick2 5554 Report post Posted March 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dale said: Jesus, some of you need Snicker's Bars. No one is being denied bathroom access. There is no witch hunt against gays. And Charlotte will continue to prosper. As for businesses which are huffing and puffing and threatening to boycott ... well ... bye. You seriously think it's good for us to pass a law that makes NC lose out on jobs and makes our great state look bad? This law actually has a ton of other stuff added into it that has next to nothing to do with the whole bathroom debate which in itself, can be argued. But local governments are no longer allowed to have a higher minimum wage than the state level. It strips veterans of anti-discrimination protections. Also the speed with which such a controversial law was passed is disgusting. There was very little discussion before hand and it was extremely partisan politics as usual. God I hate the polarized two-party system. By the way if you didn't know, transgender people who have transitioned to the opposite sex completely won't be affected if they get their birth certificate changed. Just thought I'd mention that if no one else has. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vassago 49 Report post Posted March 25, 2016 37 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said: How would one of you explain this issue as though they were talking to a 70 year old man that desperately wants to understand the ramifications. Could someone write an educated, levelheaded response, that I can send my dad? Frankly I'm too tired, hung over, and under the weather (not a good combination) to have any patience for my father. Please help, before he talks to the only gay friend he has about the situation, and ruins a friendship. LOL. Salon just posted a good article. There’s no way the governor’s backward measures legalizing discrimination against LGBTQ individuals can stand I don't know if that's what you're looking for... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 25, 2016 37 minutes ago, vassago said: Salon just posted a good article. There’s no way the governor’s backward measures legalizing discrimination against LGBTQ individuals can stand I don't know if that's what you're looking for... Bam, sent to my dad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miesian Corners 1693 Report post Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dale said: Jesus, some of you need Snicker's Bars. No one is being denied bathroom access. There is no witch hunt against gays. And Charlotte will continue to prosper. As for businesses which are huffing and puffing and threatening to boycott ... well ... bye. Really? Can you be fired for being straight? If so, do you have any legal rights as a result? if you'd read the new law, you'd understand the far-reaching ramifications. "Another part of the bill prevents local governments from imposing higher wage standards on employers. And, it also establishes a statewide non-discrimination policy for employment and places of public accommodation. But the legislature limits those protections to race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex, or handicap; sexual orientation and gender identity are not included."--WFAE News Edited March 25, 2016 by Miesian Corners Added quote from WFAE 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dale 2684 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 You're barking up the wrong tree. I think a business should be able to fire for any reason. But then I'm not an authoritarian. In other news, my plan to keep North Carolina California-free appears to be working: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/26/san-francisco-mayor-bans-city-workers-from-traveling-to-north-carolina.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted. 266 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 Well, irrelevant of Dale's posts, I think they is a certain positive consequence to all this mess with LGBT issues here in NC: Surely all this attention has shown that Charlotte is a forward-thinking city that cares about being a modern 21st century city that prohibits discrimination, but we have been held back by the state and thats not our fault. Anyone else think that? 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtCampsalot 4218 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Piedmont767 said: Surely all this attention has shown that Charlotte is a forward-thinking city that cares about being a modern 21st century city that prohibits discrimination, but we have been held back by the state and thats not our fault. Anyone else think that? Yeah. And even more importantly, when we look back on this, this may be the tipping point that marks the beginning of a long-term shift in our state's politics. Demographic trends are already on that side, but it's just a matter of time until people pay more attention. Independent redistricting will be a majorly important part of that puzzle, however. Edited March 26, 2016 by SgtCampsalot 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann 1703 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 Is this the time we start a campaign to rename the Panthers the Charlotte Panthers and drop the Carolina name? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dale 2684 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 ^ Yes, I agree that we should move on to more pressing issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtCampsalot 4218 Report post Posted March 26, 2016 While we're at it, those Carolina Hurricanes got a lotta nerve fraternizing with the Raleighmeisters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick2 5554 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 Wait, are we just going to ignore that the mayor of San Francisco literally just said that publicly paid employees are not allowed to travel to NC except for emergencies. Talk about overreacting. It's one thing to denounce it but that's a little crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vicupstate 656 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Nick2 said: Wait, are we just going to ignore that the mayor of San Francisco literally just said that publicly paid employees are not allowed to travel to NC except for emergencies. Talk about overreacting. It's one thing to denounce it but that's a little crazy. Why shouldn't the Mayor of a city have a say in how the city's money is spent? This is nothing more a boycott, which is the same thing that started the modern Civil rights movement in 1955. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 HouseBZ 1280 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 Cause it's not the city's money being spent, it's the employee's money. Everybody has their right to boycott, but you can't force others to boycott as well. My reason for saying this is some people there have family here. You can't dictate how people live their lives outside of work, granted that it's not illegal. While what's being done in this state isn't popular (or possibly even legal), this is a bit far. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dale 2684 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 Here's hoping that San Francisco's Mayor Lee's travel ban is the start of something bigger. Keep San Franciscans in San Francisco! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miesian Corners 1693 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, 11 HouseBZ said: Cause it's not the city's money being spent, it's the employee's money. Everybody has their right to boycott, but you can't force others to boycott as well. My reason for saying this is some people there have family here. You can't dictate how people live their lives outside of work, granted that it's not illegal. While what's being done in this state isn't popular (or possibly even legal), this is a bit far. The mayor of San Francisco is mandating that no city employees travel to NC for official CITY business. He said nothing about what employees of the City of San Francisco may do on their own time with their own money. Dale, are you saying an employer should be able to fire an employee because they're black or Presbyterian or male or because they have blonde hair...? If not, please enlighten me (the 'authoritarian'). Edited March 28, 2016 by Miesian Corners Spelling 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 HouseBZ 1280 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 Ooh gotcha, sorry about the my misunderstanding. Desregard and resume conversation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick2 5554 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 I also misread the article. But my opinion of his move remains the same. It just seems childish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dale 2684 Report post Posted March 28, 2016 8 hours ago, Miesian Corners said: The mayor of San Francisco is mandating that no city employees travel to NC for official CITY business. He said nothing about what employees of the City of San Francisco may do on their own time with their own money. Dale, are you saying an employer should be able to fire an employee because they're black or Presbyterian or male or because they have blonde hair...? If not, please enlighten me (the 'authoritarian'). That is correct. Because I am not an authoritarian. I would never presume to dictate to a business owner whom to hire and whom to fire. I advocate for liberty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MilZ 282 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Dale said: That is correct. Because I am not an authoritarian. I would never presume to dictate to a business owner whom to hire and whom to fire. I advocate for liberty. Yes. The liberty to not have access to the same goods and services because of your skin color, your gender, what you do in your bedroom, or what you believe in. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elrodvt 1435 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Dale said: That is correct. Because I am not an authoritarian. I would never presume to dictate to a business owner whom to hire and whom to fire. I advocate for liberty. Have you often been the victim of such "liberty"? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtCampsalot 4218 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 Liberty is a dubious term right now. I once went through a Rand-ian objectivist phase and thought that pure unfettered liberty was the only way to truly guarantee world equality, but then I realized how many different ways "liberty" has been co-opted by those who, at best, invoke it when they don't want to think about anyone else in this world but themselves, and at worst, were just... yknow, not nice people. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancenc 2785 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 13 hours ago, Dale said: That is correct. Because I am not an authoritarian. I would never presume to dictate to a business owner whom to hire and whom to fire. I advocate for liberty. So in essence you are in agreement with doing away with the silly I-9 and E-verify system that is mandated by both the Federal and State governments in hiring in virtually any organization (which I personally don't have a problem with myself) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miesian Corners 1693 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 Hey Dale, I ate a Snickers bar. Then I turned on the TV to hear that Atlanta has petitioned the NBA to take Charlotte's 2017 NBA All -Star Game. That Snickers didn't do sh*t. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silicon Dogwoods 405 Report post Posted March 29, 2016 20 hours ago, elrodvt said: Have you often been the victim of such "liberty"? Really. Some 'liberty.' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites