Bush looking to re-start Cold War with Russia

[Captain Worley]

Missiles have very high IR signatures anyway. It's not as if the exhaust of a missile moving at mach 5 is going to be operating in stealth mode. It doesn't need to.

[michaelskis]

Looks like Putin was just worried about being left out. Sounds like he will whole heartily support it if a Russian radar station is part of the system.

There goes the Cold War Theory.

[Captain Worley]

Note that the Russian system is aimed away from the Russian launch sites, though. I wouldn't have a problem with this comprimise, but I'm going to guess the easern European countries might.

[Gusterfell]

This is true only for the initial boost phase. When the engines shut off (they only run until the necessary speed is acheived to ballistically hit the target), the missile body is cooled quickly back to ambient, perhaps a little below. This is about the time the interceptor missile will be searching for it, since it has been playing catchup.

[Captain Worley]

A missile travelling at sevreal times the speed of sound will become fantastically hot from friction alone, even in the thin upper atmosphere. Look at the SR-71, for instance.

[Snowguy716]

The recent heated rhetoric from Russia is a bit alarming, not because I believe there is a real threat from Russia, but because I think Vladimir Putin is a raging lunatic. I would hope that the Russian people could see past his lies and grabs for power and elect a true democrat to power.

They must see the progress that other former eastern bloc nations have made and see that Russia is really going down a dangerous road.

While I do see vast dreams of another cold war by some twisted neo-conservatives in this country, I don't think Bush is placing missiles in eastern Europe as a threat to Russia.

Both Bush and Putin belong in the Loony bin, but any serious talk about a new "cold war" would have to be instigated by a Russian crazy imagining non-existent threats.

[Charlotteman]

The recent heated rhetoric from Russia is a bit alarming, not because I believe there is a real threat from Russia, but because I think Vladimir Putin is a raging lunatic. I would hope that the Russian people could see past his lies and grabs for power and elect a true democrat to power.

[swh1972]

I agree Putin is highly dangerous. He was KGB chief at one time. He took over control of the Russian media. He has bullied and threatened our allies the Balts, and other surrounding countries. He tried to freeze his neighbors to death by cutting off their heating oil ~~how much evidence does anyone need to understand this man's evil?

Of course he has an American counterpart equally evil. I don't disparage Putin because I think Bush is better. He isn't one iota better.

One thing we have to realize-----Russia probably couldn't mount an invasion against any country at this time. It could threaten countries with missles, but it's economy probably wouldn't be able to support a big military adventure. However it is no excuse for the West to tolerate threats and bullying. The Balts lived under Russian subjugation from 1939-1991. I think it's time they should be able to live without fear of Russia.

[Gusterfell]

Both Bush and Putin belong in the Loony bin, but any serious talk about a new "cold war" would have to be instigated by a Russian crazy imagining non-existent threats.

[michaelskis]

CNBC just had a discussion on this - take this for what it's worth - they basically concluded that Putin is dangerous, that the KGB is directing policy in Russia, and that if this was a political chess match, Putin would have wiped the board with GW. They called Putin's positioning on this "brilliant".

[Gusterfell]

Nope. It is just as scary as the neocons calling the shots here.

[Captain Worley]

Nah, I'd have to say the KGB was/is much scarier than 'neocons.'

[monsoon]

Nah, I'd have to say the KGB was/is much scarier than 'neocons.'

[Captain Worley]

If Russia is such a 3rd rate power as you say then I would think you would not be worried about the KGB.

[Charlotteman]

George H.W. Bush (the current president's father) was head of the CIA at one time, and became president. Vladimir Putin was head of the KGB at one time, and now is the president of Russia.

The Bushes and the Putins are not that dissimilar.

[swh1972]

George H.W. Bush (the current president's father) was head of the CIA at one time, and became president. Vladimir Putin was head of the KGB at one time, and now is the president of Russia.

The Bushes and the Putins are not that dissimilar.

[Charlotteman]

That is a stretch....

[swh1972]

....don't be so sure of that. Read into some of the affairs that George H.W. Bush was involved in as a CIA operative in the 1950s and early 60s. He reportedly served in the same Texas CIA cell as George DeMorenshield (Lee Harvey Oswald's "best friend") and Abraham Zapruder (the man who filmed JFK's assasination)

In his early CIA days, George H.W. Bush was known as Poppy. (same knickname he had/has among friends) In several declassified CIA documents, "Poppy" is listed as a passenger on a covert plane trip in the late 50s. Also listed as a passenger is "Hidel". A.Hidel was one of Lee Harvey Oswald's aliases.

Was George H.W. Bush involved with the CIA in orchestrating JFK's assasination? Lots of people think it's a definite possibility......

And no telling what Putin did when he was KGB chief.

[Captain Worley]

Crossfire was pretty good, for the Kennedy assassination. I would like to find a good book about the CIA's 'adventures' in the 50s-70s.

[Charlotteman]

I've read so much about Bush I's nefarious CIA activities in the 50's and 60s......

Here are two fun reads:

http://planetquo.com/The-George-H-W-Bush-J...rder-Connection

and this one's URL was too long, so go to the site and scroll down for the Bush-JFK connection:

http://www.democraticunderground.com

I never cataloged my research, but I'll go back and try to find some of the more interesting links about George H.W. Bush AKA "Poppy", and covert CIA activities.