Detroit, the Ultimate entertainment destination

[nofunk]

If you go into "Downtown Vegas" you'll see that it's nothing but law offices.

[Ka3kab]

Vegas is actually a lot like Detroit in the sense that it is also a one industry town. It is not like Detroit in the sense that one day in the next 10-25 years, escpecially with the tremendous population growth, they will run out of water. At some point, there will also be a decline in visitors as the fad of it all wears out. Some other place will be "the place to be seen", just like Toyota, Nissan and Honda are the cars GM, Ford and Chrysler buyers have switched to.

If Detroit ever becomes like Vegas, with all of its neon and otherwise chessieness, I for one probebly wouldn't come down.

[illmatic774]

i see that we still have people yearning for a Chicago/New York like success story. Its not feasible. Call me negative, whatever.

And who the hell says that they are afraid that Detroit is going to turn into Vegas? Three hotel casinos (relatively small ones at that when compared to Vegas) are gonna turn this city into a gaudy, soulless wasteland? Three relatively small "resorts" (if even resorts) is an endless sea of gaudy casinos"? For the record, Detroit is diversifying, slowly, but surely, with the emergence and growth of Techtown, and the likes of Rock Financial (which will happen) and such.

The Las Vegas bashing is getting old. It's not the model city but it functions well, much more now than a few years ago now that growth is slowing (giving it time to sustain itself). Not to mention that Oscar is investing billions into downtown. Vegas is coming into its own as a real city, and at the time, its successful. It's more than what can be said about Detroit at this point in time.

[Zissou]

i see that we still have people yearning for a Chicago/New York like success story. Its not feasible. Call me negative, whatever.

And who the hell says that they are afraid that Detroit is going to turn into Vegas? Three hotel casinos (relatively small ones at that when compared to Vegas) are gonna turn this city into a gaudy, soulless wasteland? Three relatively small "resorts" (if even resorts) is an endless sea of gaudy casinos"? For the record, Detroit is diversifying, slowly, but surely, with the emergence and growth of Techtown, and the likes of Rock Financial (which will happen) and such.

[TheDetroitCity99]

I agree with zissou. I think if Detroit wants to turn itself into Detroit it sure can. Just look at the head start we have gotton. But I think many people in the suburbs are done with detroit. They think that if the city is gonna turn around, the more taxes they have to pay. I'm not saying Detroit has to go in this direction but it would be a good way to reboost the economy. Think of how it would look if 3 or 4 more brilliant,glitzy,glassy,glamourous billion dollar casino's started going up over 10 years. Detroit WOULD indeed be the Las Vegas of the midwest.I think if MGM can convince another big name Casino to build in Detroit, others will follow, and its quite a possiblity.

[hudkina]

Well Las Vegas is the fastest Growng City in America in terms of Population. I guess that it means that yes, it is more of a city than Detroit since it is building nieghborhoods as opposed to Detroit which tears them down.

[GRDadof3]

For starters, Las Vegas is not building "neighborhoods" it is building sprawling subdivisions. There is a huge difference between the two. And secondly, a city isn't a city simply because the population is growing. Las Vegas may be one of the fastest growing population centers in the nation, but that doesn't change the fact that it is mostly low-density suburban sprawl.

[Gangway1111]

This as opposed to a tradional grid based community where whole city blocks are empty. Where nature is literally reclaiming neighborhoods do to neglet and lack of people living there.

A community has nothing to do with five dollar phrases like sprawl, or the way the roads are layed out. It has everything to do with people living their lives there. It has nothing to do with development patterns of the past.

I think Vegas still wins out.

[Zissou]

A community has nothing to do with five dollar phrases like sprawl, or the way the roads are layed out. It has everything to do with people living their lives there. It has nothing to do with development patterns of the past.

[Gangway1111]

The people (or lack therefore of) has everything to do with a city and its neighborhoods. A city dose not exist to serve itself. A city exist to serve its population. When said population leaves to go elsewhere, that city is considered less of a city than one that is attracting people to it.

You may not like the way the city of Las Vegas is layed out(as it does not fit a narrow definiton of an urban area held by many on this forum), however, people are actually moving, and staying there, which is more than be said for Detroit.

[Zissou]

So by your logic since people are moving to Vegas as apposed to Detroit its more of a city than Detroit. So I suppose that Novi, being another place that is nothing but sprawl, is more of a city then Detroit? New York city went through a phase where they lost population as well and went through problems like neglect, wanna say that Vegas is more of a city than New York? Youre logic in defining a city completely passes over design and all things that give real cities character just for the sake of population growth.

Urban too narrow of a definition? I think not. Well that is unless your goal is to change the definition of urban so it fits sprawling suburban places like Las Vegas.

[hudkina]

Wow. Americans are probably the dumbest human beings around. I usually try not to say stuff like that, but I just can't take it anymore. Too many Americans feel that unless something was built five years ago it is "ghetto".

Gangway1111, if your idea of a city is living in an underbuilt, extremely cheap house far from anything you could ever hope to walk to, by all means, move to Vegas. If your idea of a city is having to drive 10 minutes to do something as simple as buying a gallon of milk, by all means, move to Vegas. If your idea of a city is getting stuck in traffic for an hour every day because everyone is forced to drive their cars, by all means, move to Vegas.

I'll stick it out in a real city...

[illmatic774]

Wow. Americans are probably the dumbest human beings around. I usually try not to say stuff like that, but I just can't take it anymore. Too many Americans feel that unless something was built five years ago it is "ghetto".

Gangway1111, if your idea of a city is living in an underbuilt, extremely cheap house far from anything you could ever hope to walk to, by all means, move to Vegas. If your idea of a city is having to drive 10 minutes to do something as simple as buying a gallon of milk, by all means, move to Vegas. If your idea of a city is getting stuck in traffic for an hour every day because everyone is forced to drive their cars, by all means, move to Vegas.

I'll stick it out in a real city...

[Zissou]

Noone is debating the pros vs cons of city living to suburb living. Everyone agrees they are different, except those who want to redefine what urban is. Vegas is a city just like Novi is a city, but this whole debate came about since people were saying Detroit should strive to be Las Vegas and it shouldnt. Describing Las Vegas as a large suburb is pretty accurate. Although Detroit has its problems, they are numerous as we all know, it is still a large urban city at its core. Vegas is not.

And im pretty sure Gangway was trying to imply that Vegas is just as urban as Detroit by trying to redefine what urban is.

[TheDetroitCity99]

If you haven't noticed by now Detroit is a way different city from all the others, and trying to make it like all the others isn't working and plans to redefine our Urban Core are. I don't see what's wrong with people coming to our city and seeing nice rivertowns with 6 story condos and shopping and seeing skyscrappers in the background. It's not like the building of tall monsters will stop, it's just in order to get those people that want to build them to come here we need to make more of our city attractive. If that means making our city look nice but not 100 stories in the air, why not?

[Zissou]

If you haven't noticed by now Detroit is a way different city from all the others, and trying to make it like all the others isn't working and plans to redefine our Urban Core are. I don't see what's wrong with people coming to our city and seeing nice rivertowns with 6 story condos and shopping and seeing skyscrappers in the background. It's not like the building of tall monsters will stop, it's just in order to get those people that want to build them to come here we need to make more of our city attractive. If that means making our city look nice but not 100 stories in the air, why not?

[Jasoncw]

That's what I thought.

[hudkina]

Talk about an overreaction. jesus christ. perhaps Americans would rather take a city (oops, i mean sprawlburb) without an extremely disgusting crime rate, thick centralized poverty, a joke of a school system, and inadequate city services.

[GRDadof3]

The people (or lack therefore of) has everything to do with a city and its neighborhoods. A city dose not exist to serve itself. A city exist to serve its population. When said population leaves to go elsewhere, that city is considered less of a city than one that is attracting people to it.

You may not like the way the city of Las Vegas is layed out(as it does not fit a narrow definiton of an urban area held by many on this forum), however, people are actually moving, and staying there, which is more than be said for Detroit.

[CGunn]

Recent studies have shown that the younger generation is moving and visits Detroit. Therefore, do you think changing the liquor license laws would help Detroit become a destination?

i.e. Casinos being able to either give away, or at least comp liquor. Allowing bars to sell liquor beyond 2p (at least 3), allowing legal after hour clubs.

BTW...Club V (MGM GRAND) charges $40 for males and $20 for females to enter the club. There was actually a long line to enter the club.

I know you will have MADD against it, but when I travel to Chicago, even Fort Wayne, IN and go out, their clubs don't close til 3 (Fort Wayne) 4 (Chicago). After partying until 3 and 4, i'm ready to go home and kind of have sobered up a little. When I leave the club here at 2a I'm still under the influence and looking for something to get into.

[TheDetroitCity99]

Since when is 2 A.M. early for a closing time??

[Zissou]

Since when is 2 A.M. early for a closing time??

[detwaa84]

I don't know why everything closes at 2 anyways. In Toronto, last calls are 2 am as well, but clubs are legally packed until 4 am and some even till 7 am. I was at a nightclub last weekend, and at 2 am the staff literally pushed everyone out.

[CGunn]

I don't know why everything closes at 2 anyways. In Toronto, last calls are 2 am as well, but clubs are legally packed until 4 am and some even till 7 am. I was at a nightclub last weekend, and at 2 am the staff literally pushed everyone out.

[hudkina]

Michigan law allows bars to stay open to 4 AM now, despite the cut-off time remaining at 2 AM.