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On 2/11/2017 at 1:31 PM, JBS said:

That's a great idea.

My view of Overstreet is that I like it but it could be so much better...

Check this out. This is what I wish our covered pedestrian areas could be... part of, not apart from, the street grid. Pedestrian-only routes can seem nice, urban, and connected rather than sketchy afterthoughts or isolated ghost towns.

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7 hours ago, southslider said:

^Latta Arcade/Brevard Court is like that, if only it'd be open 24/7. At least, the City is looking at building a new raised, mid-block crosswalk across Tryon.

Where is that?

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Does anyone know what might be going on in this lot, the drilling rigs have been working for three days? It's the parking lot behind Camden Cotton Mill, between 5th St and 6th St.

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5 minutes ago, JoshuaDrown said:

Does anyone know what might be going on in this lot, the drilling rigs have been working for three days? It's the parking lot behind Camden Cotton Mill, between 5th St and 6th St.

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Work for the temp train station I'd assume 

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9 hours ago, Jayvee said:

Work for the temp train station I'd assume 

Ahh, that makes sense. They have now moved their drilling over to the lot between W Trade St and 5th St.

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59 minutes ago, baraklech said:

 

Sorry if that's been posted already.

They took a crappy suburban style building and made it far less crappy.  I say "good job"!

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BofA Plazas renovations look spectacular and better than any of us imagined. Meanwhile across the street, this got scrapped (edited: good point RDF) to all hell. Good ole Charlotte. 

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BofA Plazas renovations look spectacular and better than any of us imagined. Meanwhile across the street, this got value engineered to all hell. Good ole Charlotte. 
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VEd isn't the word for this, Scrapped is. They scrapped their plans for it.

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I agree it is no a renovation just some updating on the front and barely that. But lets not forget Barings Cornerstone brought us the new 300 South Tryon tower and Kimpton hotel and the parking garage renovations across from Ink and Ivy. Who knows maybe longer term they will build something behind the Marriott and Independence Center where there is a parking deck. That has always been a 2nd tower site. 

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On 3/3/2017 at 4:12 PM, tiblerbrit said:

I'm pretty sure Kermit and Atlrvr are implying it's the company that was recently bought by Duke that has its current headquarters in Southpark

I'm sure the marriott is pissed. They went ahead and built an out door facade inside the atrium because the atrium was supposed to be removed. From what I understand they couldn't figure out how to dampen the wind tunnel effect so the atrium had to stay. 

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4 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

I'm sure the marriott is pissed. They went ahead and built an out door facade inside the atrium because the atrium was supposed to be removed. From what I understand they couldn't figure out how to dampen the wind tunnel effect so the atrium had to stay. 

Spoke with 101 n Tryon peeps. There's 2 pieces to this project. Lobby reno (as seen here) and a non-restaurant/bar retail component that will affect the atrium, entrance and street level presence. They can go at separate times and don't impact each other heavily during construction. The lobby is ready to go. Retail is not. So rather than holding up the lobby, that's just phase A. Retail is phase B, which I was assured, WILL happen. It's a tenant demand and the building needs to do all it can to keep whoever it can. 

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I apologize in advance for not knowing where this belongs.

There is a massive fire at an apartment building under construction in downtown Raleigh.  I think building codes re wood might being getting a review. 

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I don't know if this would have an effect on the building codes. All of the fire safety measures that go into these types of projects happen after framing. Drywall, firewalls and sprinkler systems all work to contain and/or suppress the fire, but none are in place during early stages of construction. And since there is no one inhabiting these projects until after those systems are in place, I don't know if anything would be required to change.

Codes already protect nearby buildings. If  any buildings are within a certain distance from their property line (and thus a potential neighbor), they must have some sort of fire protection/rating on those exterior walls.  So the adjacent building that is being evacuated has at least a one hour wall separating the people from the fire and giving them time to evacuate.

There have been silmilar situations before (Carson St townhomes os a local example) of buildings under construction in the 'piles of sticks' phase that was someone's shelter. On a cold night, a fire was lit to keep them warm and it got out of hand. I don't know if this was the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.  Maybe more regulations on locking up the site?  But no matter what you do, if someone wants to get in, they will find a way. 

Definitely an unfortunate situation anyway you look at it, but I don't think that building codes will change too dramatically because of it. 

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All it takes to compromise an interior firewall is a single workman invisibly cutting corners, or an occupant accidentally knocking a hole in it and then repairing it with the wrong material. Code is important, but I'm afraid that we'll have to relearn the lessons of wooden cities again in the near future.

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1 hour ago, tozmervo said:

Lest I ever regret my words, it's not likely. It is very difficult to burn down modern commercial buildings, regardless of their construction, and on top of that it is even harder for fire to spread. Last night's incident - as well as some similar incidents (this happened in Dallas a couple of years ago) - was on an active construction site in the middle of wood framing, long before any real fire protection systems are installed. Apart from some kind of explosion, the adjacent buildings were never in real danger of burning down. Their exterior walls did what they were supposed to do and greatly slowed the transmission of heat/fire to their interiors, where sprinkler systems would have snuffed it out in a hurry.

Chapter 33 of the North Carolina Building Code covers safeguards during construction, including excavation, sanitation, protecting pedestrians & adjoining property, maintaining safe egress for workers (notably no one died last night), and the locating of fire extinguishers throughout a construction site. It further refers to the International Fire Code chapter 14 for more requirements for flammable liquids, explosives, smoking requirements, and welding or roof tar operations.

 

I agree, for commercial buildings that are subject to regular inspections and restrictions ("no personal heaters in the office!"), but consider a project like the "Montage" development uptown. 300+ units of apartments, probably not inspected for years while leased, with families and individuals living in them. Undoubtedly some people in a building like that will need to use oxygen. Most likely someone in that building will improperly store LP in their apartment. Some people will smoke in their apartment. Every apartment will be outfitted with ranges, water heaters, and furnaces. There are so many possible sources of ignition and so many likely accelerants and explosives that I just can't believe that it's wise to build these massive developments. All it takes is one 20lb LP cylinder or a couple of oxygen tanks to make the fire code irrelevant for at least a dozen apartments.

Edit: Just as a note, lest you think "well, why haven't we seen these fires already?" Just remember that the 1+5 style didn't become legal until 2009, so we've had less than a decade of the construction of these and still less occupancy of these massive projects.

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