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Attended a Knights game last night, first time Uptown in four months. I suppose it was a combination of four months of pretty pictures, as well as runaway expections, that fostered disappointment. Impression: outside of a stretch of Stonewall, Tyron south of Spirit Square and perhaps a couple of pockets of activity ... Uptown has a LONG way to go. I suppose it is well to remind myself how far it has come, since the 80’s, when it called to mind a nuclear bomb site.

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2 hours ago, Dale said:

Attended a Knights game last night, first time Uptown in four months. I suppose it was a combination of four months of pretty pictures, as well as runaway expections, that fostered disappointment. Impression: outside of a stretch of Stonewall, Tyron south of Spirit Square and perhaps a couple of pockets of activity ... Uptown has a LONG way to go. I suppose it is well to remind myself how far it has come, since the 80’s, when it called to mind a nuclear bomb site.

Yea, here is the long-term perspective. This is 3rd Ward, ballpark is in the upper right center (rail yard area — Federal courthouse is visible top right) and BoA stadium is in the lower left center. 

 

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2 hours ago, kermit said:

Yea, here is the long-term perspective. This is 3rd Ward, ballpark is in the upper right center (rail yard area — Federal courthouse is visible top right) and BoA stadium is in the lower left center. 

 

I still wish the old Virginia Paper Building could have been converted to a farmers market as part of Romare Bearden Park, but oh well.

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25 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

The first Chase bank branch will be Uptown (no surprise).  They are taking the old SunTrust branch location in the historic Tryon Plaza building ( 112 S Tryon).

I imagine they will do an awesome job redoing the space, that SunTrust really never updated all that well.

This is fine and all, but boring.  So to come we have this new Chase here, the new US Bank where D&D was, BofA at LU, FNB in their tower and we just got Regions not long ago.   

PNC still to come??  Yes I am aware BofA closed two Uptown in the last year... Epi and gold building 

At least Chopt and Chipotle are still coming.  Chopt seems to be taking forever though.

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^^^and a 5/3 branch where Chopt is going also closed.  Net no change in bank branches uptown really.

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6 hours ago, atlrvr said:

The first Chase bank branch will be Uptown (no surprise).  They are taking the old SunTrust branch location in the historic Tryon Plaza building ( 112 S Tryon).

I imagine they will do an awesome job redoing the space, that SunTrust really never updated all that well.

They can do an awesome job, but it will still be completely wasted space being a bank branch

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^^^and a 5/3 branch where Chopt is going also closed.  Net no change in bank branches uptown really.


It just moved to 5/3 building there wasn’t one there before just a private client ‘bank’ and ATM.

There are a lot of net gain here. BofA closed 2 and is now adding one back.

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4 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

I wonder how many CP&F Charlotte employees plan to reverse commute to Oakboro. 36 miles and ~1 one hour/Googlemaps

I am sure there are some but I would be willing to bet most live outside of Mecklenburg county and many do live east of town already as these rumors of moving to Stanly Co. have been around a long time.  another thing manufacturing shifts start very early in the morning so a commute to Oakboro early in the morning may not be as bad some may think.   I know of a CP&F employee who bought a house in Locust and he worked at the uptown plant. 

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15 hours ago, NcSc74 said:

I slightly agree with you but NC has to do what it can to ease the poaching SC is doing.  i mean I get it; jobs for the people is the goal but at some point it has to end. Out in the midwest Missouri and Kansas had to do a cease fire because of the amount incentive money being thrown around was starting to harm much needed money for civic obligations.  It seems SC is benefiting from the huge economic engine Charlotte is. When are the folks up in Raleigh going to capitalize on the gem Charlotte is as well.  

Let them move to SC then. If you keep matching state tax incentives then it will turn into a Kansas/Missouri situation. SC is already short on taxes for state projects, let them bleed themselves. I'm with @kermit on this one, 500 jobs isn't worth $134 million..

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ADM facility is next....


While I would love to see ADM move too, where would they go? My understanding is that their current location at the intersection of mainlines for both CSX and Norfolk Southern, with very close interstate access, hu is extremely advantageous for them.

The only other spot in NC that is really equal to or better than the current location in every sense is Selma, but that's pretty far from Charlotte.

Marion might work, and that's a little closer. While the NS Asheville district and the former Clinchfield have been somewhat downgraded lately and see fewer through trains today than in the past, they are still considered mainlines as far as I know and both railroads would be happy to add more trains to take more advantage of these somewhat underutilized routes. Downside is the NSX/CSX crossing has mediocre highway access.

Chester SC would be another possibility but highway access there is even worse, and I don't think NC would want to let ADM leave the state anyway.

Perhaps the RR thing isn't as big of a deal to ADM as I am thinking and they would be fine with basically any site with highway and RR access, but just a thought.

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1 minute ago, orulz said:

While I would love to see ADM move too, where would they go? My understanding is that their current location at the intersection of mainlines for both CSX and Norfolk Southern, with very close interstate access, hu is extremely advantageous for them.

 

Yea, I have heard about the two railroad access thing before as well,  and dual rail access is something  that NC (surprisingly)  struggles with. That said, there are a couple of locations which I think could work. The nearest would be in the wedge of old textile mills between the (nearly adjacent) NS main and the P&N between Lowell and Gastonia. The P&N is in pretty good shape through there,  NCDOT -really- needs a big customer for their short-line tenant and they could transfer to CSX in Mt. Holly.

I would think they could also copycat Charlotte Pipe. Their are some decent locations in Stanly county with access to both the ACWR and the WSSB (although highway access would be poor). Lexington could also really use some new industry and they have the trifecta of 85, the NCRR and the WSSB who could transfer to CSX in Wadesboro / Monroe/Hamlet. (and I believe the WSSB is partially owned by CSX?)

There is no telling what ADM really values in a site, but based on weight-value of raw materials and finished products I would think Charlotte Pipe would be just as dependent on rail than ADM and they could make Stanly County and a shortline work...

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Yea, I have heard about the two railroad access thing before as well,  and dual rail access is something  that NC (surprisingly)  struggles with. That said, there are a couple of locations which I think could work. The nearest would be in the wedge of old textile mills between the (nearly adjacent) NS main and the P&N between Lowell and Gastonia. The P&N is in pretty good shape through there,  NCDOT -really- needs a big customer for their short-line tenant and they could transfer to CSX in Mt. Holly.
I would think they could also copycat Charlotte Pipe. Their are some decent locations in Stanly county with access to both the ACWR and the WSSB (although highway access would be poor). Lexington could also really use some new industry and they have the trifecta of 85, the NCRR and the WSSB who could transfer to CSX in Wadesboro / Monroe/Hamlet. (and I believe the WSSB is partially owned by CSX?)
There is no telling what ADM really values in a site, but based on weight-value of raw materials and finished products I would think Charlotte Pipe would be just as dependent on rail than ADM and they could make Stanly County and a shortline work...
If branch lines and short lines are OK then that opens things up quite a bit and there are probably a couple dozen spots in NC, and several in the Charlotte area. WSSB/NCRR/I-85 in Lexington is a good suggestion, as is P&N/CSX near Mount Holly.

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14 minutes ago, orulz said:

If branch lines and short lines are OK then that opens things up quite a bit and there are probably a couple dozen spots in NC, and several in the Charlotte area. WSSB/NCRR/I-85 in Lexington is a good suggestion, as is P&N/CSX near Mount Holly.

Yea, if the PSR thing sticks then I suspect that sidings off mains are going to be managed away by the Class Is (NS probably does not want locals clogging up their entrance to the intermodal yard). (ADM might be an exception, I have no idea how many carloads they generate).

In a larger sense I think the state is really missing the boat in not promoting more industrial sites along the ACWR / P&N / WSSB etc. The Charlotte Pipe story is not particularly unusual, old-school mass production is getting priced out of lots of urban areas (and possibly encouraged to move away from sidings off mains by their RRs). NC has tons of abandoned rural industrial sites along these short lines just begging to be put to good use.

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