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21 hours ago, go_vertical said:

Can YOU not take other people having an opinion about your opinion?  Who has the thin skin here? 

I'll take that as a no.

Regardless....Charlotte is a very nice city to live in. Having been from Portland, Maine and lived in Charlotte, only to now reside in Gastonia. But it's just a nice city to live in; not to go out of ones way to visit. Especially uptown. I am excited about North Tryon becoming a go to spot for development, but just worried it'll be the same ole thing if you know what I mean.

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6 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Pretty certain if the garage is ever redeveloped, the new building will have to meet current center city streetscape standards.  Not sure what it is for this block, but probably at least 10' (it's likely higher than that) and require street trees.

Hard to tell exactly, but it looks like 7' today.

Also, the new development would require certain % retail, and > 50% transparent (glass) facade for ground floor I believe.

So, there are corrective actions for redevelopment, but nothing to require retrofitting or demolition of offending structures.

Thank you for sharing. The future is bright for a lot of these dead stretches of street.

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15 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Pretty certain if the garage is ever redeveloped, the new building will have to meet current center city streetscape standards.  Not sure what it is for this block, but probably at least 10' (it's likely higher than that) and require street trees.

Hard to tell exactly, but it looks like 7' today.

Also, the new development would require certain % retail, and > 50% transparent (glass) facade for ground floor I believe.

So, there are corrective actions for redevelopment, but nothing to require retrofitting or demolition of offending structures.

Do you think it's feasible to make 4th street a 2-way street, which might then catalyze a retrofitting?

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44 minutes ago, RANYC said:

Do you think it's feasible to make 4th street a 2-way street, which might then catalyze a retrofitting?

4th Street is a work horse street and will not become a two way street, at least in my lifetime. I believe that 3rd, 4th, College and Church are considered to be the main arteries for carrying traffic from 277 and other roads into Uptown for commuters. I may need to include 5th and 6th in this list as well.

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3 hours ago, atlrvr said:

I've tried to make this point many times over the years here in different threads just to be shouted down by the same urban planning talking point.

I find 1-way streets far better as a pedestrian in an urban environment.

I'm going to be told that speeds on 1-way streets are greater than 2-way streets. Yep.  Agree.  There are other ways to slow traffic or insulate the pedestrian though.  Mistimed traffic lights.  Street parking.  Street trees.  Bike lanes. Bike racks. Etc etc.

I want to focus on the inevitable need to cross a street.  Crossing mid block is concern about 1 direction of traffic vs 2.  I personally find that substantial when waiting to cross 

At an intersection though, it's a much more dramatic difference.  1-way/1-way intersections, at any  intersection you need to be only concerned about 1 or 2 possible car movement (depending on part of intersection you cross).  In a 2-way/2-way intersection, every crossing you need to consider 4 possible car movements, which is not great in giving confidence to cross.

I'm familiar mostly with Boston since I lived in Back Bay and spent more time walking than driving, and streets like Newbury are much nicer to walk because at each intersection you can efficiently cross.  I personally find intersections like Camden and Park as creating far more anxiety for a pedestrian.

I'll rant again next year in a different thread :hi:

I agree! The intersection of Camden and Tremont (at the rail trail) is exhibit 1 for me -- pedestrian crossings would be far more straightforward if Camden was 1 way (or completely closed to cars)

It does feel like Uptown’s one ways have less of a racetrack feel than other downtowns (Greensboro, Winston, parts of Durham, Raleigh) I think building height (and their shadows) and lot lines may be part of that (and street width of course).

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24 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

I've tried to make this point many times over the years here in different threads just to be shouted down by the same urban planning talking point.

I find 1-way streets far better as a pedestrian in an urban environment.

I'm going to be told that speeds on 1-way streets are greater than 2-way streets. Yep.  Agree.  There are other ways to slow traffic or insulate the pedestrian though.  Mistimed traffic lights.  Street parking.  Street trees.  Bike lanes. Bike racks. Etc etc.

I want to focus on the inevitable need to cross a street.  Crossing mid block is concern about 1 direction of traffic vs 2.  I personally find that substantial when waiting to cross 

At an intersection though, it's a much more dramatic difference.  1-way/1-way intersections, at any  intersection you need to be only concerned about 1 or 2 possible car movement (depending on part of intersection you cross).  In a 2-way/2-way intersection, every crossing you need to consider 4 possible car movements, which is not great in giving confidence to cross.

I'm familiar mostly with Boston since I lived in Back Bay and spent more time walking than driving, and streets like Newbury are much nicer to walk because at each intersection you can efficiently cross.  I personally find intersections like Camden and Park as creating far more anxiety for a pedestrian.

I'll rant again next year in a different thread :hi:

No rant needed.  I see your point and it makes sense.  Seeing this for the first time.  You make valid points in scrutable language, no rant necessary.  
 

 

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46 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said:

The Tepper sale? It's the first piece in his entertainment district assemblage.

Bizjournal cites someone close to the deal as saying that Tepper Sports viewed the lot price as favorable and decided to acquire it without imminent plans for it.

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here are some more details:

""Carolina Panthers owner David Tepper this week purchased 4.6 acres at West Morehead and McNinch streets for $15.5 million, according to Mecklenburg County property records.  A spokesperson at Tepper Sports & Entertainment, the parent company of the NFL Panthers and MLS Charlotte FC, confirmed the land purchase but declined to disclose terms or plans.  A source with knowledge of the deal told CBJ that Tepper Sports viewed the sales price as attractive and bought the property without any imminent plans for development. The land is a couple of blocks from Bank of America Stadium, the Tepper Sports property that is home to the Panthers and Charlotte FC.  Tepper has been in discussions with Charlotte city government for the past two years about buying property and building an entertainment district near the stadium. ""

Carolina Panthers owner acquires land near NFL stadium - Charlotte Business Journal (bizjournals.com)

""According to the Mecklenburg County property deed, the land was owned by the Charlotte-based Blackmon Family LLC and sold to GT Real Estate Holdings LLC, which lists its address as 800 S. Mint St. — the Panthers’ address.""

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On 12/18/2021 at 8:50 PM, RANYC said:

Bizjournal cites someone close to the deal as saying that Tepper Sports viewed the lot price as favorable and decided to acquire it without imminent plans for it.

"Imminent" just depends on how long it takes the other property owners to sell to him. I know for a fact he's been doing early master planning studies for the entertainment district including that lot,

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On 12/18/2021 at 11:16 AM, atlrvr said:

I want to focus on the inevitable need to cross a street.  Crossing mid block is concern about 1 direction of traffic vs 2.  I personally find that substantial when waiting to cross 

My wife almost got flattened when crossing South College mid-block one weekend when she was only looking in the oncoming traffic direction. Meanwhile somebody was going in reverse a surprisingly long distance on the other side of the street and he didn't see her and she wasn't paying attention to him. I had to run and grab her to keep her from walking into his path.

(If there are any Taleb fans here, I guess this would be a pedestrian black swan event.)

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3 hours ago, Vitamin_N said:

My wife almost got flattened when crossing South College mid-block one weekend when she was only looking in the oncoming traffic direction. Meanwhile somebody was going in reverse a surprisingly long distance on the other side of the street and he didn't see her and she wasn't paying attention to him. I had to run and grab her to keep her from walking into his path.

(If there are any Taleb fans here, I guess this would be a pedestrian black swan event.)

That is horrifying, and sorry you had to endure that, but also happy you were able to prevent a catastrophe.  

2 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

and that's just PR speak. They absolutely have plans for it.

what materializes first: new Tepper Entertainment District structures, or Brooklyn redevelopment structures?

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The rezoning for Pipe & Foundry sailed through unanimously.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article256685457.html

“Council members voted unanimously to approve the petition. There was no discussion at Monday afternoon’s zoning meeting. Charlotte Pipe and Foundry committed to a minimum of two acres of open space, which could increase depending on the size of the development. One acre would be “publicly accessible” and could include a park, athletic fields, bike paths and amphitheater, among other things, according to city staff.”

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