Misc. Uptown Projects/News

[RANYC]

Do we have a single residential project underway in Uptown at the moment?  All these housing needs in our area, all the allowance for as much density as you want in Uptown, and yet nothing?

[KJHburg]

18 hours ago, RANYC said:

Do we have a single residential project underway in Uptown at the moment?  All these housing needs in our area, all the allowance for as much density as you want in Uptown, and yet nothing?

Nope.  However there is a new apartment in the works for 7th and Tryon a high rise.  But not aware of any others currently proposed. 

[atlrvr]

I believe there is still an affordable housing project planned in 1st Ward where the shotgun houses were on 7th.

[KJHburg]

1 hour ago, atlrvr said:

I believe there is still an affordable housing project planned in 1st Ward where the shotgun houses were on 7th.

Correct yes and of course the demolition of the Hall House by the Charlotte Housing Authority Inlivian I guess could be counted.  

[CLT Development]

 

4 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Nope.  However there is a new apartment in the works for 7th and Tryon a high rise.  But not aware of any others currently proposed. 

If you are counting this Public Private Partnership you gotta count the others, and theres 1,200 units at Brooklyn Village, 1,000 Units at Gateway and probably around 600 units at CTC. But this is certainly a very fair point. 

[KJHburg]

1 minute ago, The Real Clayton said:

 

If you are counting this Public Private Partnership you gotta count the others, and theres 1,200 units at Brooklyn Village, 1,000 Units at Gateway and probably around 600 units at CTC. But this is certainly a very fair point. 

I guess I was talking about projects starting in the next year this year. 

[CLT Development]

31 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I guess I was talking about projects starting in the next year this year. 

What I don't think y'all understand is, any land that is not currently developed in uptown is tied up with Daniel Levine, the City, the County, Preferred Parking, Various Railroads, DOT, CRVA, CDOT, NCDOT, Johnson & Wales, Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools, Lincoln Harris or Churches. Not to mention the 45,000 resting souls in Elmwood and Pinewood Cemeteries. The bulk of privately developable land  is completely cut off in 3rd ward, ripe for Tepper's taking. Otherwise we seem to be stuck with Public Private Partnerships until Roger Stacks and Daniel Levine start looking to retire very comfortably. There are outliers, but the bulk of developable properties require red tape, hence the influx into South End.

Edited January 27, 2022 by The Real Clayton

[JRCLT]

What happened to the apartments on graham street? On the block north of the Vue. Is that still going? There’s also the townhomes near the tracks.

[KJHburg]

1 hour ago, JeanClt said:

What happened to the apartments on graham street? On the block north of the Vue. Is that still going? There’s also the townhomes near the tracks.

that is still happening that is the Daniel Corp. project out of Birmingham.  That is a mid rise complex but the one rendering I saw was good looking. 

10 hours ago, The Real Clayton said:

What I don't think y'all understand is, any land that is not currently developed in uptown is tied up with Daniel Levine, the City, the County, Preferred Parking, Various Railroads, DOT, CRVA, CDOT, NCDOT, Johnson & Wales, Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools, Lincoln Harris or Churches. Not to mention the 45,000 resting souls in Elmwood and Pinewood Cemeteries. The bulk of privately developable land  is completely cut off in 3rd ward, ripe for Tepper's taking. Otherwise we seem to be stuck with Public Private Partnerships until Roger Stacks and Daniel Levine start looking to retire very comfortably. There are outliers, but the bulk of developable properties require red tape, hence the influx into South End.

what?  that is very problematic for uptown Charlotte.  Brooklyn deal should have not been to one developer and broken down into several developers.  You would think Levine would want to sell and spend some money why he is still alive.   Lincoln Harris will probably partner to do a residential tower but they seem more interested in the office aspect.  Meck County owning the Hal Marshall site is not good either another long drawn out project that will take years to come to fruition all the while a historic brick hotel is knocked down to build a wood frame low rise apartments by Charlotte Housing Authority Inlivian.   New leadership is needed at the CCCP. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by KJHburg

[deleted account]

I have to think that momentum on Uptown residential development will come back quickly if/when people return to the office buildings. Currently, why would anyone pay a premium to live Uptown when they are working from home and the energy/excitement that previously existed in Uptown is only fractionally returned? Especially on the north and west sides of Uptown? If someone wants an urban lifestyle with a lot to do/restaurants/bars, they are looking at Southend currently. I don't think anyone REALLY knows what cities will be like post-pandemic. Frankly, I'm shocked that we're still seeing spec office buildings and hotels being built in and near Uptown (and that commercial buildings are selling for a premium). These folks are either visionaries or very, very stupid. 

[ertley]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

what?  that is very problematic for uptown Charlotte.  Brooklyn deal should have not been to one developer and broken down into several developers.  You would think Levine would want to sell and spend some money why he is still alive.   Lincoln Harris will probably partner to do a residential tower but they seem more interested in the office aspect.  Meck County owning the Hal Marshall site is not good either another long drawn out project that will take years to come to fruition all the while a historic brick hotel is knocked down to build a wood frame low rise apartments by Charlotte Housing Authority Inlivian.   New leadership is needed at the CCCP. 

I agree with KJ--I'm going to throw a (metaphorical) bomb here--but I've never understood why the Brooklyn redevelopment needed a master plan executed by one developer. (I realize there may be technical issues I'm unaware of that require a mega-master contractor sort, but...) There's already a street grid, sidewalks (which obvi can be improved), and certain government buildings aren't going anywhere, so why not just offer the parcels with potential for redevelopment individually, in a bidding/competition process with specifications for what needs to be built? If done right, you get a far less homogeneous neighborhood, more 'organic' looking and feeling.  (This not-unccoincidentally echoes my post from the other day.)

I also, of course, have to echo his sentiments about Hall House. Again, there is at least half of an entire city block surrounding the Edwin Tower that could be wonderfully redeveloped with even more units than planned at the Hall House site, with green roof/roof deck/pool terrace potential for all residents atop the new buildings, for all the residents of the block... There definitely needs to be new leadership somewhere. You first have to have the courage to say "No," and then you force people to start to think creatively...

[Adaminclt]

I have to think that momentum on Uptown residential development will come back quickly if/when people return to the office buildings. Currently, why would anyone pay a premium to live Uptown when they are working from home and the energy/excitement that previously existed in Uptown is only fractionally returned? Especially on the north and west sides of Uptown? If someone wants an urban lifestyle with a lot to do/restaurants/bars, they are looking at Southend currently. I don't think anyone REALLY knows what cities will be like post-pandemic. Frankly, I'm shocked that we're still seeing spec office buildings and hotels being built in and near Uptown (and that commercial buildings are selling for a premium). These folks are either visionaries or very, very stupid. 

Don’t underestimate how much big companies want people back in the office, at least on a hybrid basis. The media is focused on the companies that are embracing full remote, but they’re overblowing it. A major Charlotte-based employer is set to announce they’re spending millions to buy all employees at home molecular test kits for a March return to office.


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[CLT2014]

9 minutes ago, Adaminclt said:

Don’t underestimate how much big companies want people back in the office, at least on a hybrid basis. The media is focused on the companies that are embracing full remote, but they’re overblowing it. A major Charlotte-based employer is set to announce they’re buying all employees at home molecular test kits for a March return to office.

My major Uptown employer has "fully returned" but employees are interpreting hybrid as maybe 1 or 2 days in the office... if any. Most managers, directors, et... want to work at home themselves and aren't really requiring people to be in so the building is maybe 15% full on any individual day. Some floors, not a single person is showing up. 

The goal was 3 days in from corporate, but that isn't even close to happening and people seem to really like working at home. I thought more people would show up in our return back this month and be excited, but people just aren't coming. Some people flat out have told their supervisors they will quit if they have to go in.... And managers know the job market is rough and replacing people is expensive so they are just allowing a "hybrid" employee to essentially come in once a month to keep their badge active.

Edited January 27, 2022 by CLT2014

[Adaminclt]

My major Uptown employer has "fully returned" but employees are interpreting hybrid as maybe 1 or 2 days in the office... if any. Most managers, directors, et... want to work at home themselves and aren't really requiring people to be in so the building is maybe 15% full on any individual day. Some floors, not a single person is showing up. 
The goal was 3 days in from corporate, but that isn't even close to happening and people seem to really like working at home. I thought more people would show up in our return back this month and be excited, but people just aren't coming. Some people flat out have told their supervisors they will quit if they have to go in.... And managers know the job market is rough and replacing people is expensive so they are just allowing a "hybrid" employee to essentially come in once a month to keep their badge active.

I could be wrong, but I predict that will end in less flexibility, with companies dictating what those in office days must be (and noticing who doesn’t show up) rather than them backing off.


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[carolinaboy]

45 minutes ago, CLT2014 said:

My major Uptown employer has "fully returned" but employees are interpreting hybrid as maybe 1 or 2 days in the office... if any. Most managers, directors, et... want to work at home themselves and aren't really requiring people to be in so the building is maybe 15% full on any individual day. Some floors, not a single person is showing up. 

The goal was 3 days in from corporate, but that isn't even close to happening and people seem to really like working at home. I thought more people would show up in our return back this month and be excited, but people just aren't coming. Some people flat out have told their supervisors they will quit if they have to go in.... And managers know the job market is rough and replacing people is expensive so they are just allowing a "hybrid" employee to essentially come in once a month to keep their badge active.

So the inmates are running the prison?

[RANYC]

Thanks all.  I was asking about projects under development or imminent.  Duly Noted, however, about residential developments that are proposed.

[TCLT]

So the inmates are running the prison?

An unexpectedly on the nose metaphor to apply to employment? [emoji848]

[a2theb]

1 hour ago, CLT2014 said:

My major Uptown employer has "fully returned" but employees are interpreting hybrid as maybe 1 or 2 days in the office... if any. Most managers, directors, et... want to work at home themselves and aren't really requiring people to be in so the building is maybe 15% full on any individual day. Some floors, not a single person is showing up. 

The goal was 3 days in from corporate, but that isn't even close to happening and people seem to really like working at home. I thought more people would show up in our return back this month and be excited, but people just aren't coming. Some people flat out have told their supervisors they will quit if they have to go in.... And managers know the job market is rough and replacing people is expensive so they are just allowing a "hybrid" employee to essentially come in once a month to keep their badge active.

I suspect we work for the same employer and my hesitation in returning is driven by the requirement of wearing masks if you're out on the floor. Even my ED stated he wouldn't be in if he didn't have an office. Looking forward to returning on a somewhat consistent basis but I have no desire to sit for 9 hours wearing a mask when I can work in the comfort of my home. 

 

That said, if a large majority had returned on the specified date, I presume we would have seen a couple positives within groups shut down the back to office experience once again so maybe the slow roll is the way to go.

[Hushpuppy321]

Didn’t know where else to post this but here goes;  On Wikipedia, many Pier Cities promote their High-Rise density really well.  Some mention 161 High-Rise buildings and then specify those of taller note worthy height (like Tampa illustrated below).  My questions are - what qualifies as a High-Rise?  Seems like it depends on who you ask.

Tampa has 161 - 31 (250’ Tall and Taller) = 130 other highrises (lower than 250’) but what is the starting Height 100’ or anything over 1 story??

Charlotte has 36 (says 31 so that sentence needs updating) 300’ Tall & Taller which is impressive and 19 (between 200’ to 299’) but no mention/computation of any other highrises.  Tampa’s number of completed highrises is very impressive sounding indeed but seems like they either over-embellished  or Charlotte under sells itself concerning that.  So are the office buildings in Southpark & Ballantyne, etc. not included as Highrises because they are under 200’ Tall but would be considered Highrises if they were built in Tampa?

Sorry I’m being nerdy & anal - just had some free time on my hands.  I understand Wikipedia isn’t gospel but just seems that Charlotte is always a bit underrated/undersold even though it’s an awesome place…

[RANYC]

With its coastline and bay-front, I'd guess Tampa has more of a high-rise residential base than Charlotte.  Could be wrong though.

[midtownclt]

Check out the Raleigh Wiki Highrise page.

"57 completed high-rise buildings"

"14 taller than 250 feet"

"22 taller than 200 feet"

[JRCLT]

This is why Wikipedia is not a good site to cite. Lol.

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

I mean what is this convo?! Tampa isn't even close. 

[kayman]

On 1/27/2022 at 11:45 AM, carolinaboy said:

So the inmates are running the prison?

That's a very offensive and dismissive statement. Workers' have a right to choose and aren't wage slaves. Most have lives full outside of work. If the major employers want quality workers then meet the employees current and prospective employees with options where they are. 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/jobs/article257922603.html

Proof of this occurring because there are options of self-employment, other employers, or being a stay-at-home parent or caretaker because their respective spouse has a great career with a substantial income.

Edited February 4, 2022 by kayman

[Reverie39]

22 hours ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Didn’t know where else to post this but here goes;  On Wikipedia, many Pier Cities promote their High-Rise density really well.  Some mention 161 High-Rise buildings and then specify those of taller note worthy height (like Tampa illustrated below).  My questions are - what qualifies as a High-Rise?  Seems like it depends on who you ask.

Tampa has 161 - 31 (250’ Tall and Taller) = 130 other highrises (lower than 250’) but what is the starting Height 100’ or anything over 1 story??

Charlotte has 36 (says 31 so that sentence needs updating) 300’ Tall & Taller which is impressive and 19 (between 200’ to 299’) but no mention/computation of any other highrises.  Tampa’s number of completed highrises is very impressive sounding indeed but seems like they either over-embellished  or Charlotte under sells itself concerning that.  So are the office buildings in Southpark & Ballantyne, etc. not included as Highrises because they are under 200’ Tall but would be considered Highrises if they were built in Tampa?

Sorry I’m being nerdy & anal - just had some free time on my hands.  I understand Wikipedia isn’t gospel but just seems that Charlotte is always a bit underrated/undersold even though it’s an awesome place…

It might be minor but I believe small "marketing" things like this can matter in some ways. People want to live in and visit places they feel are important, impressive, and connected. Charlotte properly broadcasting its high-rises can affect that - while most people don't go around searching for # of high-rises on Wikipedia, who's to say that "Where Should You Live?" articles aren't quoting some of these figures? 

It's similar to a point I made a little while ago in the transit thread. I noticed that on Google Maps, the Lynx system is not shown in colored lines like almost every other transit system in the country is. Even other relatively new light rail lines (like Phoenix) have theirs shown. This sort of annoyed me because I wonder how many people are traveling through Charlotte, do a quick check of Google Maps to see how to get somewhere, and aren't even made aware of two rapid transit lines that exist in the city? Frankly I even wonder how many people living in the Charlotte area (mainly out in the suburbs) haven't even given Blue Line park and ride a second thought because they don't realize it goes exactly where they need to go? I think little things like this can matter in the long run. Most people aren't transit and urban planning nerds like us lol

Edited February 3, 2022 by Reverie39