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10 hours ago, Desert Power said:

I haven't been on Statesville lately, but nobody should be trying to avoid traffic on 77 by cutting through Graham St through uptown IMO. It is really a narrow neighborhood road and busses are already just taking up 2 lanes on it.

So, just sit in traffic and not pay attention to google alternatives when there's an accident ?  I77 is already a log jam now in the morning. Just a fender bender can lock it down for an hour. 

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I could be wrong here, but I feel like I remember hearing something about restrictions on road expansion adjacent to 77 in the contract with the toll developers.  Basically, it's something about pulling drivers away from the tolls with better thoroughfares nearby thus minimizing the profit potential of their "investment".  The city essentially agreed to limiting road improvements within a certain distance of 77 for a set amount of time.  Have I lost it or did anyone else hear anything like this? 

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51 minutes ago, go_vertical said:

I could be wrong here, but I feel like I remember hearing something about restrictions on road expansion adjacent to 77 in the contract with the toll developers.  Basically, it's something about pulling drivers away from the tolls with better thoroughfares nearby thus minimizing the profit potential of their "investment".  The city essentially agreed to limiting road improvements within a certain distance of 77 for a set amount of time.  Have I lost it or did anyone else hear anything like this? 

I have not heard a thing about the 77 South project but that is a pretty standard part of private toll road contracts. NCDOT agreed to that clause in North Meck.

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On 6/26/2022 at 11:11 PM, Windsurfer said:

So, just sit in traffic and not pay attention to google alternatives when there's an accident ?  I77 is already a log jam now in the morning. Just a fender bender can lock it down for an hour. 

Just seems a really bad alternative when compared to 277 or even Beatties Ford. That stretch through uptown really needs to be calmed.

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On 6/24/2022 at 7:52 PM, RANYC said:

Who are "they?"  NC DOT?  Are they in a Charlotte office given they make design decisions for their roads in Charlotte?  Are there names and bios on a website?  Do they have some discretion in their planning for what these roads should look like and how traffic should flow, or are they carrying out pre-determined and very specific instructions from Raleigh?

 

All direction of NCDOT comes from Raleigh not district offices. Also Metro Charlotte is split btwn the Division 9,  10, & 12 offices of NCDOT.  That's very inefficient as all 11 Greater Charlotte counties (Mecklenburg, Gaston, Iredell, Union, Cabarrus, Rowan, Anson, Stanly,  Cleveland, Catawba, and Alexander) should be all in the same NCDOT division or 2 divisions that are aligned with this region.

Another sign, you all should be complaining to your NC State House Representatives and State Senators:

https://www.ncleg.gov/findyourlegislators

If they're not responsive to your requests on demanding more changes to NCDOT then support and vote for their opponent this election cycle on November 8th or the 2024 election cycle. 

This is how we fix things demand change and stay on top of our state legislative representation to demand more division based decisionmaking from NCDOT and responsive decisions from the NCDOT leadership. 

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If they really wanted to pay homage to the original Brooklyn they wouldn't have put the "village" in there.  This isn't a critique on the actual project.  I'm really looking forward to what this development will bring to uptown, but I think Brooklyn Avenue would have done a lot more to show they care about the history and story of the neighborhood. 

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Unfortunately there was already a small newer street name Brooklyn Ave.  however I am not sure why they did not ask that street name to change to BV instead of this one aka Stonewall. 
Brooklyn Ave is off Siegle in a newer Pulte townhome community. 

Why is that short stretch of street even an avenue?? Should be Rd. Or St. A real pain for what could have been Brooklyn Ave. in uptown.
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19 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Unfortunately there was already a small newer street name Brooklyn Ave.  however I am not sure why they did not ask that street name to change to BV instead of this one aka Stonewall. 

Brooklyn Ave is off Siegle in a newer Pulte townhome community. 

I agree with both of these sentiments. If the city is going to go through the machinations and technicalities of changing a street name, then why cut corners? It wouldn't have required that much more effort to change a smaller, relatively insignificant street name concurrently, which could've easily been made a Place, Trace or Terrace. 

I've opined before that I think the city should have a regular, routine effort of changing street names city-wide. They've proven through this initiative that it's possible if only the political will is there. 

One example:  Trade Street continue all the way to Presbyterian/Novant at the east, and on its west end should continue past JCSU all the way up to 85. In my personal schema, 85 would become the universal break point between the old rural road names--which I want to preserve--and the city street names. So, in this case specifically, Beatties Ford would become Trade South of 85. The vestige of Trade no longer connected to Five Points would then be a great renaming opportunity for the city or even locally the Biddleville community.  

Elizabeth Avenue should not disappear, it should be reconstituted by renaming Charlottetowne Avenue to Elizabeth. Charlottetowne is, quite frankly, embarrassingly provincial and should be done away with regardless. I cringe every time I see it on Independence and 277 signage. I know it's supposed to commemorate the old mall--but it wasn't spelled CharlottetownE--just Charlottetown!!!! Adding superfluous "e"s to the ends of English proper names is always purely ridiculous affectation. Anyone who's actually been to England realizes it's not actually a thing there. (I know that sounds incredibly snobbish, but it's just...true.) Charlotte leaders should've realized this when it was named, but anyway let's correct a bad idea. 

On a similar vein, Fifth should continue through Five Points and then replace Idaho--why is there even an Idaho Avenue in Charlotte??--Rozelles Ferry still has plenty of length far beyond 85. I think it would be wonderful to have a sign for "West 5th St" on Brookshire as your driving east towards downtown, instead of "Idaho Ave"--but that's the superficial reason: It would just help make Charlotte a more integrated, in all the senses of the word, if it's major streets and avenues continued uninterrupted, and instead of letting real estate developers devise sometimes (often) questionable monikers for residential or business areas, you'd have strong major street names instead. 

I have dozens and dozens of other renaming proposals, which is why I think it should be a regular, routine operation of the city. None of my proposals are about getting rid of old names, just regularizing street names throughout the city so Charlotte looks and operates more like a world class city, with more than just a few continuous corridors with consistent names.    

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56 minutes ago, RANYC said:

“Charlottetowne Avenue is embarrassingly provincial?”:tw_confused:

anyone know what it cost the city to rename stonewall?

A whole lot less than the aforementioned ideas by @ertley. Brooklyn Village Ave has almost no businesses or homes that are addressed toward the street. All are perpendicular street addresses.

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This was some of the thinking when a portion of Second Street became MLK. The number of addresses on that portion was few. Some institutional or government addresses. Others with side street addresses. The Embassy Suites came after the change.

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3 hours ago, CLT Development said:

A whole lot less than the aforementioned ideas by @ertley. Brooklyn Village Ave has almost no businesses or homes that are addressed toward the street. All are perpendicular street addresses.

the Whole Foods and the entire Francis apartment complex had a Stonewall address right?  and all those apartments further down Stonewall 

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On 6/29/2022 at 10:49 AM, kayman said:

All direction of NCDOT comes from Raleigh not district offices. Also Metro Charlotte is split btwn the Division 9,  10, & 12 offices of NCDOT.  That's very inefficient as all 11 Greater Charlotte counties (Mecklenburg, Gaston, Iredell, Union, Cabarrus, Rowan, Anson, Stanly,  Cleveland, Catawba, and Alexander) should be all in the same NCDOT division or 2 divisions that are aligned with this region.

Another sign, you all should be complaining to your NC State House Representatives and State Senators:

https://www.ncleg.gov/findyourlegislators

If they're not responsive to your requests on demanding more changes to NCDOT then support and vote for their opponent this election cycle on November 8th or the 2024 election cycle. 

This is how we fix things demand change and stay on top of our state legislative representation to demand more division based decisionmaking from NCDOT and responsive decisions from the NCDOT leadership. 

Being in three divisions give you access to three different possibilities of money.  You don't want to be in one.  

Try learning about Prioritization and the role of regional transportation planning organizations.

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