Fair Tax Orlando 2006

[RedStar25]

With the publication of Neal Boortz's new book Fair Tax:The Truth: Answering the Critics

I thought we should take a look back when Orlando Hosted a Fair Tax Rally in 2006 drawing thousands of people to Downtown Orlando.

All images are from Neal Boortz's web page. http://boortz.com

[Chemmie]

Sorry, I can't fully support the Fair Tax until I am 100% certain that our federal government will eliminate the income tax at the same time. In my eyes, there's only one politician in Washington D.C. that I could trust to do that.

I'd love to see it implemented, second only to how I'd love to see our taxes cut to near-zero, but I just don't trust those jerks in Washington to do it correctly.

Nice rally, though. I'm glad to see there is that much support for something like this. Too bad these people didn't vote for the right candidate in the Republican primary... you know, the one politician in Washington D.C. that I could trust to do everything in their power to kill the income tax.

[RedStar25]

Thats the entier point of the Fair Tax. To eliminate The income tax, capital gains tax, death tax, embeded taxs in goods, ect....

Read the books.... I am 100% behind this thing.

the web Site http://www.fairtax.org

From Fairtax.org

What is the FairTax plan?

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 1025) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks

Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions

Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities

Allows American products to compete fairly

Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy

Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding

Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation

Abolishes the IRS

[RedStar25]

Here is Congresman John Linder's FairTax web site. http://linderfairtax.house.gov/

[OrlandoMagic3]

GO HUCKABEE!! hahah

[neon9]

Thats the entier point of the Fair Tax. To eliminate The income tax, capital gains tax, death tax, embeded taxs in goods, ect....

[RedStar25]

'Death Tax'?

Oh come on now...doesn't the bible say something about 'taking it with you'? There are truly no taxes that effect only the super, and idle, rich more.

[neon9]

ummm.... any money you leave behind to your family when you die is taxed. It was taxed while you were alive and worked to earn it.... it was taxed as you invested and saved it for your retierment and your family.... and is taxed yet again when you die.

Im not sure what you mean by "there are truly no taxed that effect only the super, and idle, rich more." But with the FairTax all the people who are so wealthy that they do not have to work (the goverment currently considers these people as below the poverty level beacuse they have no income!!!) would now pay taxes every time they purchased somthing.

By the way... what does the Bible have to do with our tax code?

Are you thinking the FairTax is only for the Rich??? The people who will gain the most from it would be Low income and Middel class families.

[RedStar25]

The Flat Tax and the FairTax are two compleatly differant things.

I am not wealthy and I am in full support of the FairTax.

Read the books and go to the web pages. Educate yourself about the issue before you start knocking it.

Do you think the current tax code is worth keeping?

And Im sorry... "they get there moneys worth." It's there money to begin with. They should be able to keep all of it. Just like you and I should be allowed to keep our entier pay checks.

I do not belive its the goverments place to forcibly take money away from people. If we were allowed to take home our entier pay checks then pay the goverment the amount of taxes they withhold in a month the entier country would revolt and demand change.

When did we lose the notion that America is a REPUBLIC (not a democracy) With limited Goverment.

And that a persons individual rights out way that of the masses.

*steps off the soap box*

[neon9]

The Flat Tax and the FairTax are two compleatly differant things.

I am not wealthy and I am in full support of the FairTax.

Read the books and go to the web pages. Educate yourself about the issue before you start knocking it.

Do you think the current tax code is worth keeping?

And Im sorry... "they get there moneys worth." It's there money to begin with. They should be able to keep all of it. Just like you and I should be allowed to keep our entier pay checks.

I do not belive its the goverments place to forcibly take money away from people. If we were allowed to take home our entier pay checks then pay the goverment the amount of taxes they withhold in a month the entier country would revolt and demand change.

When did we lose the notion that America is a REPUBLIC (not a democracy) With limited Goverment.

And that a persons individual rights out way that of the masses.

*steps off the soap box*

[RedStar25]

Being a fellow Libertarian Im suprised at your take on what goverment is and your suggestion that taxes need to be raised.

My belife is that the goverment exists to protect my individual rights, not forcibly take my money to hand out to others.

While I totally understand where you are comming from in responce to our debts and size of goverment they have nothing to do with the Fairtax.

The Fairtax does not reduce the size of goverment and is revenue neutral in the beginning.

Its obvious you are not framiliar with the FairTax. I highly recomend the books.

[neon9]

Being a fellow Libertarian Im suprised at your take on what goverment is and your suggestion that taxes need to be raised.

My belife is that the goverment exists to protect my individual rights, not forcibly take my money to hand out to others.

While I totally understand where you are comming from in responce to our debts and size of goverment they have nothing to do with the Fairtax.

The Fairtax does not reduce the size of goverment and is revenue neutral in the beginning.

Its obvious you are not framiliar with the FairTax. I highly recomend the books.

[bulldogger]

Invoke your right to bear arms and rise up. [raises fist] That is the reason for the Amendment.

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Someone knows my IP address. [thinks to self]

[knock at door]

Uh oh. It's someone with dark sunglasses. I'm going out the window.

[Dale]

With all due respect, you are not familiar with the amount of money owed by the people of the US.

So I am a libertarian, and somehow that means that I, or we, do not have to pay for debts that we as a people have incurred? Who says that we should not discourage (via taxation)society damaging acts? So in other words, why should taxes be raised? Didn't I explain why in my last post? Are you of the opinion that we should never increase any tax? Is a tax just to raise money or can they influence behavior? Should they?

Honestly, do you just hate government or what? Really? Should we just eliminate the military? Or medicare? Or the interstate?

No doubt if we asked everyone if they wanted to pay their taxes that year most would choose not to. So maybe we just shouldn't pay any.

[Chemmie]

Neon's most important point is that taxes aren't really the priority, spending is. Cutting taxes or reforming taxes before our government controls their insane spending is putting the carriage before the horse.

While I am a big supply-sider and in strong agreement with ANY tax cut for the people, I realize that in order for anything to benefit our economy or nation as a whole, we need drastic cuts in government spending and waste.

[neon9]

^ Now there's an idea.

BTW, no, you are not a libertarian.

[neon9]

Neon's most important point is that taxes aren't really the priority, spending is. Cutting taxes or reforming taxes before our government controls their insane spending is putting the carriage before the horse.

While I am a big supply-sider and in strong agreement with ANY tax cut for the people, I realize that in order for anything to benefit our economy or nation as a whole, we need drastic cuts in government spending and waste.

[Dale]

What is an idea? Not paying taxes?

Perhaps you are right. There seem to be many different definitions of 'libertarian'. Wikipedia sure lists a few. I'm sure some would consider me quite socialist.

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion however. Seems to be a reasonable position that we allow people to do whatever they want, just insist that they 'pay their own way' and not 'externalize' the costs. Or even that we discourage 'bad' behavior with taxes, especially when that behavior could result in excess costs being passed along to the rest of us-i.e. smoking or speeding.

I read a very interesting article on Wikipedia earlier today. A famous marine, Smadley Butler (sp?), wrote a book after he left the Marine Corps. I think this short blurb from his book shows how business profit is privatized in our form of government but as many of the expenses as possible are paid for by the government-our tax dollars. It doesn't matter if we tax everything at 10% or hookers and blow at 200%, until we address the root cause, SPENDING (and corporate cronyism while we're at it) we will not succeed.

In his 1935 book, War Is a Racket, Butler presented an expos

[neon9]

Don't get me wrong. I don't begrudge you your views. I'm just saying I don't see how they can be described as respecting the liberty of individuals, i.e., controlling behavior through the punitive strategy of taxation and such. I suspectr that most libertarians would address the issue of bad behavior not by taxation, but rather through the removal of support systems which have the effect of subsidizing bad behavior.

[Dale]

This is kind of off topic, but hopefully ok in the 'coffee house'-but how do you remove support systems for, say, smoking or speeding? Keep roads in such bad condition that speeding is impossible? Refuse to insure smokers or related illness? Seems like a tax or fee makes the most sense. It would be easier for wasteful oil use-professional, conservative think tanks have calculated a cost of about $10 per gallon, the largest part of which goes towards our military. But again, it's a tax, but at least it's paid by those who use the product.

Back on topic, last night some local news program described 2 problems with the amendment 1 that just passed that again highlights how well thought out that idea was-

#1 the exemptions for non-homestead property must be processed manually (I think it's a 10% cap they get). So now OCPA has to hire new people to process and no doubt some will miss out on the exemption.

#2 the State is talking about increasing the gas tax to make up for lost revenue.

State Proposal Would Raise Gas Taxes To Offset Amendment One Losses

Brilliant.

[neon9]

Regarding smoking, am I obligated to fund a man's lung cancer treatment ? Currently I am. Should I be ?

Regarding speedi, I don't have a problem with basic laws which would serve to punish the speeder.

[Dale]

Not sure it matters. Of the smokers I know, most seem resigned to a shorter lifespan, or are convinced they will quit 'one day', but none seem to take comfort in the fact that whatever basic treatment they may get will be at taxpayer expense if they can not afford it. Discounting the future and all that.