SouthEnd Midrise Projects

[rockhilljames]

I like the site plan...I think it's a good transition between downtown and South End.

[atlrvr]

What I really like is that they are realigning Carson with Lexington!!!!

It seems, that the speculation that there might be a freestanding building Carson and Palmer was false, and it looks like they will petition to have Palmer abandoned completely. While, a small separate building would have been pretty interesting, I certainly understand the economics of what they are proposing.

[Andyc545]

I love those 4 walkup residential spaces that can be accessed by the sidewalk along the light rail as well as the curvature and sidewalk/urban open space. That retail space at the back corner alongside the light rail will be much appreciated and help the Carson Station to be utilized much more.

[83alphaunder]

2inthePink is not going to be very happy, maybe they'll add a hole in the top of the building just for him.

I dig the site plan, I don't like the mass of the building it seems a bit excessive, its unfortunately another charlotte "superblock." I kind of get the idea that there will be some nice curves on the office building, at least by the site plan and "carson station view."

Edited April 2, 2008 by 83alphaunder

[tozmervo]

What I really like is that they are realigning Carson with Lexington!!!!

It seems, that the speculation that there might be a freestanding building Carson and Palmer was false, and it looks like they will petition to have Palmer abandoned completely. While, a small separate building would have been pretty interesting, I certainly understand the economics of what they are proposing.

Absolutely! That whole stretch of South is awful for pedestrians (I had to cross there when I road the bus). Having an actual intersection with crosswalks will be excellent, and I am for all restitching of roads - it can only lead to better connectivity across those neighborhoods.

[dubone]

I love all the different uses at the street level, including the townhouse residences. I agree that being a single development for the whole block is not the ideal, the fact that they plan 3 buildings with different uses and retail at the base makes it a very positive move for the area. Given that one tower is now ~20 stories makes it a much better transition around the Arlington although it hurts some skyline views. The miniature village sprouting up there will more than compensate for lost views.

[Raintree21]

2inthePink is not going to be very happy...

I was thinking close to the same thing. Looks like Tower #1 is about 20 stories tall.

[Windsurfer]

2inthePink is not going to be very happy, maybe they'll add a hole in the top of the building just for him.

I dig the site plan, I don't like the mass of the building it seems a bit excessive, its unfortunately another charlotte "superblock." I kind of get the idea that there will be some nice curves on the office building, at least by the site plan and "carson station view."

You'd be upset too. Anyway, it looks like it's a clear view of downtown for most Arlington residents. The towers appear to be on the South Blvd. side. They even have a green area.

[83alphaunder]

You'd be upset too. Anyway, it looks like it's a clear view of downtown for most Arlington residents. The towers appear to be on the South Blvd. side. They even have a green area.

there are three towers.

Residential spans the light rail side

Hotel is on the front part of the complex facing South Blvd

The Office tower, in all its glory, spand the entire Carson Blvd Side fo the building

At least thats how I interpret the site plan and massing diagrams.

[Windsurfer]

there are three towers.

Residential spans the light rail side

Hotel is on the front part of the complex facing South Blvd

The Office tower, in all its glory, spand the entire Carson Blvd Side fo the building

At least thats how I interpret the site plan and massing diagrams.

The description of the condos is: "four walk up units". There aren't any elevators pictured on the plans.

[83alphaunder]

Yellow represents the condo tower in the massing diagrams, and the "residential lobby" in the siteplan.

Pinkishpurple represents the elevators.

The walk ups are just 4 townhomes, but there is a seperate residential aspect to this project.

Edited April 2, 2008 by 83alphaunder

[Windsurfer]

Thanks for the graphic images! It does look like the residential tower will block some of their views of downtown!

[83alphaunder]

Thanks for the graphic images! It does look like the residential tower will block some of their views of downtown!

I actually goofed on the massing graphic, I appologize, here is the corrected one.

Yellow=Condotower

RedishPink=Office Tower

Blue=Hotel.

[dubone]

So it is roughly a 14 story office building along Carson, a 13 story hotel building for part of the South Blvd side, and a 20 story residential tower for part of the Lynx side.

Thanks for the color coding. I was also having a hard time following for some reason.

I'm very glad for the density, and this is very much the type of mixed uses and density we need for this area.

[Appetite for Construction]

This development keeps getting better all the time! I couldn't agree more with earlier posts about the nightmare that is trying to navigate this area on foot. The realignment of Carson and Lexington is a welcome surprise ...

And really, just about anything on this parcel will be better than what is there now ...

[Andyc545]

I just hope this sets a standard for future developments in S. End and possibly other neighborhoods trying to mimic the urban atmopshere that has been presented here. Maybe not in such massiveness (height, sq footage, and number of buildings), but certainly this represents desirability.

[dubone]

I would really prefer that south of this area will be more along the lines of European-style urbanism, staying under the 120' cap. This site is different as it is a transition area, between the 20-something Arlington and the towers uptown. This is also (as I've said a number of times), adjacent to the zoning that allows unlimited height, so a modest 20 story tower and two smaller buildings stepping down, will be a good height for this site.

I absolutely love how committed they are to provide street-supporting uses. They have residences, a residential tower lobby, a few retail site, a restaurant, a hotel lobby, and an office lobby. That is a very good mixture that will help support activity at various times of day. I suspect that the activity will also help support the retail of the Arlington and some of the other nearby sites.

[Raintree21]

I'm sure the hotel will be a great success. It's outside of the 277 ring so perhaps it can be a little bit cheaper, yet it has a LRT stop right next to it so visitors can be anywhere downtown within a few minutes.

[rockhilljames]

South End is VERY undeserved in terms of hotels.

[Guest]

South End is VERY undeserved in terms of hotels.

Correction: Downtown Charlotte and its first tier neighborhoods are very underserved in terms of hotels. If I was 2inthepink I would be delighted to have a great development that brings more action to my area. It'll be exciting to have so much stuff right on the carson blvd station.

[Raintree21]

Doug Smith's article today says they are planning on continuing with Chelsea but as rentals only. Says they never had a ground breaking date but their plans are still in place to build as before.

[HopHead]

Per an article here in the Charlotte Observer it appears Chelsea SouthEnd will go apartment rentals. So it looks like they didn't nix construction, but are headed down the apartment path. I have a feeling this isn't the last of changes to rentals.

[tozmervo]

Why is it so rare to see condos and rentals mixed in the same building? Neighborhoods (well, good neighborhoods) mix owner-occupied and rental houses without any problem.

[Raintree21]

Because most owners of a home doesn't want to live next to a renter, who technically doesn't have any responsibility for the place and is not in charge of upkeep. One bad apple spoils the bunch. Crime is often higher around rentals and property values decrease in a neighborhood that has a high number of rentals regardless of whether it is a good or bad neighborhood.

[dubone]

As Chelsea is now an apartment project, please discuss it here:

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/SouthEnd...jec-t45017.html