SouthEnd Midrise Projects

[kermit]

6 minutes ago, archiham04 said:

We saw the design yesterday.  The scope is 2 gates and a Precast Concrete walk.  ....aaaaaaaand it will take 2 YEARS.

whose ass can I kick?

[archiham04]

 

spoiler alert

Edited October 17, 2018 by archiham04

[archiham04]

there will be no station platform improvements (for future) so instead of $4M it will only (?!?!?!?!) be $2M

Edited October 17, 2018 by archiham04

[pgsinger]

Wait...you were talking about an at grade crossing?  I assumed this was a pedestrian bridge over the line!  $2 million this seems out of control (not that I have any point of reference).

[archiham04]

This seems SO crazy... it makes me wonder if they could justify adding 2 or 3 more here to get some economies of scale.  This is a HUGE block without crossings.  Maybe they should look at adding at least one more.

[Matthew.Brendan]

Charlotte continues to impress with incompetence and graft. 

[SouthEndCLT811]

Meanwhile check out the awesome lights for safety reasons and crossing protection here

 

[SgtCampsalot]

Serious question: how much if that $2m is lining the pockets of some people involved?

[kermit]

17 minutes ago, SgtCampsalot said:

Serious question: how much if that $2m is lining the pockets of some people involved?

Well I would be very surprised if that was more than $25,000 of precast concrete. Railroad signaling can be expensive, but it sure AF is not more than $500,000  (the random source below prices crossing protection at $250,000).  Design costs --a 10 year old could design that crossing.  Add in three days of labor....  I have no doubt that somebody is featherbedding.

http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Environmental/Projects/Current Projects/District 1 and 2/Tupelo Railroad Relocation/Feasibility Study/Volume I - Report/Appendix/Appendix G.pdf

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by kermit

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[nmundo]

15 hours ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

Meanwhile check out the awesome lights for safety reasons and crossing protection here

 

Not excusing their outrageous price tag but I'm sure when they designed this crossing they didn't expect heavy traffic and it's also near a station so trains are going to be moving slowly anyway. The fastest consistent speed I've noticed on the system is where this crossing is going and I'm sure CATS is going overboard both to keep up train speeds and to try to minimize accidents with the amount of traffic that crossing will get. All of the sidewalk crossings on Tryon that aren't near stations have pedestrian gates.

[jtmonk]

I know that sounds expensive but we still do not know the whole scope of work here correct?  To say it's just some precast concrete and some railroad crossing gates is incorrect.  First, I'm sure the 10 year design is outdated and needs to be modified to meet current codes, it's not cheap to draw and update engineering drawings.  Second, it's not just "three days of labor".  This will take weeks , if not months to complete and test and labor isn't cheap (look at how long its taking them to fix the light rail where the tree had fallen down).  Third, as stated earlier, what is the full scope of work here?  I need to know a little bit more information about his project before getting upset and stating that people are lining their pockets with some of the money.  

Just to give an example of outrageous cost.  The City I work for is redeveloping one of the town squares in our Uptown area.  This square is only about 65'  by 75' with some grass, trees and a little bit of concrete.  All that we are doing is taking down some trees, putting in a water feature, and adding some landscaping/hardscaping.  The engineering drawings alone cost $25,000.  The whole scope of work will be $1.5 million.  We have people saying the same thing you guys are "you're lining you pockets with this", "how can this cost so much", etc.  I can assure you we are not lining our pockets.  We have to keep detailed documents showing where the money is going and I'm sure that the City of Charlotte has to do the same with this project.  Ask anyone in construction and/or government work, things are not cheap so please wait to pass judgement until we know a little more about this project.  

[EllAyyDub]

From the City with one more picture:

If you are receiving this, you requested information about the South End Connector project. Please see attached and below. Let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

 

Why is the South End Connector important?

This connection will provide new access points in a vibrant area and improve safety options in the area.

 

When will the crossing be constructed?

The crossing is currently scheduled to be complete by the end of 2020.

 

Why will it take so long?

Modifications and updates to the LYNX Blue Line are specific, complicated, and must go through several levels of safety approvals. Also, CATS will try to plan service outages necessary for instillations in coordination with previously scheduled outages to minimize impacts to customers.  

 

Will there be a station?

CATS is currently evaluating options of a station near this location and will come back to the public when clear next steps are identified.

 

How is the project being funded?

The South End Connector is being funded through Charlotte’s Community Investment Plan. Click here for more information: http://charlottenc.gov/Projects/Pages/SouthEndPedBikeConnector.aspx?NotFoundURL=http://charlottenc.gov/charlottefuture/CIP/Pages/Southend-Connector.aspx&Referrer=http://charlottenc.gov/charlottefuture/CIP/Pages/default.aspx

[archiham04]

16 hours ago, kermit said:

Well I would be very surprised if that was more than $25,000 of precast concrete. Railroad signaling can be expensive, but it sure AF is not more than $500,000  (the random source below prices crossing protection at $250,000).  Design costs --a 10 year old could design that crossing.  Add in three days of labor....  I have no doubt that somebody is featherbedding.

http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Environmental/Projects/Current Projects/District 1 and 2/Tupelo Railroad Relocation/Feasibility Study/Volume I - Report/Appendix/Appendix G.pdf

 

I agree...  I can see the crossing equipment being $250,000 and the Concrete creeping up to 30,000.  Double that for a (high) estimate on labor for installation and you are still looking at $1.25 million in controls, testing and design.

[KJHburg]

Miscellaneous South End projects today.  1. 2. Holiday Inn Express 3.  Asana renovation of Phat Burrito building for Flower Child   4. even the Arlington looks good against the sky today. 

[gman430]

Sooo many projects. If the pic doesn’t load, just click where it’s supposed to be and it should come up in a new window.

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[KJHburg]

^^That green roof on the Dimensional Funds Bldg looks great.   Wow that garage at the Lennar pepsi plant apartments is a lot bigger than I thought as well as the huge massive garage at the Atherton Mill.   They should have done 2-3 levels of podium parking then the apartments above with retail on the front side. 

My opinion that  (Atherton Mill)  is one of the worst new projects in town in terms of how it flows, looks from the street, hides the historical mill building now only seen from the LYNX line etc.   You can say what you want about Stonewall Station the parking is hidden except for that one wall facing 277 where the wanderwall is the other side  is blocked by the hotels. 

Edited October 21, 2018 by KJHburg

[CTiger]

The Atherton Mill garage is really really bad.  It is even worse when you are walking down South Blvd and you can get a feel for how long it is.  It just goes on forever.  Perhaps the worst part however, is that I'm pretty sure it is finished.  They used a textured finish on the exterior (which looks cheap and awful by the way) so I doubt they have any plans on screening it or hiding it in anyway.   What we see now is what we are going to get.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CTiger said:

The Atherton Mill garage is really really bad.  It is even worse when you are walking down South Blvd and you can get a feel for how long it is.  It just goes on forever.  Perhaps the worst part however, is that I'm pretty sure it is finished.  They used a textured finish on the exterior (which looks cheap and awful by the way) so I doubt they have any plans on screening it or hiding it in anyway.   What we see now is what we are going to get.

I was told by Multifamily Unit at Crescent, they will absolutely be screening it. That said, previously when buildings are screened, its indicated in the plans... its not indicated in the plans for this what so ever. So take it for what its worth.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Guest

[Hushpuppy321]

Anyone know the new Commercial Buildings (DFA, RailYards, etc.) in Southend will have an LED Lighting scheme/accents?  Capitol Towers in South Park has its dome lighted at night and looks nice.

[deleted]

19 hours ago, KJHburg said:

My opinion that  (Atherton Mill)  is one of the worst new projects in town in terms of how it flows, looks from the street, hides the historical mill building now only seen from the LYNX line etc. 

1000% agree!

[SgtCampsalot]

As a devil's advocate thought: was there ever a chance that any infill around Atherton wouldn't hide the mill from the street? It's situated around the rail line on purpose (historically-speaking) with a parking lot between it and the road.

Though regardless they could have made the garage less horrendous. It just never ends when you're on South Blvd... It just keeps going and going...

Edited October 22, 2018 by SgtCampsalot

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

Despite the length of the parking deck, this project is going to have a TON of retail.  I think once everything is said and done, all the shops/restaurants/bars lining this project, along with hopefully some sort of screening...I don't think it will be as bad as we think.  If there's the right tenants, the street-level is engaging, and integrates seamlessly with the rest of buildings retail, think it will be okay.

Edited October 22, 2018 by CharlotteWkndBuzz

[Guest]

22 hours ago, gman430 said:

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Woah I actually don't know what something is. What is this?

[gman430]

5 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Woah I actually don't know what something is. What is this?

Not sure. It’s at the intersection of Euclid Avenue and Atherton Street behind AAA and Taco Bell. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by gman430