SouthEnd Midrise Projects

[Blue_Devil 783]

There were drill trucks at the honey Tulepo site today. Soil sampling? 

[Hushpuppy321 1752]

On 8/8/2020 at 2:43 PM, Blue_Devil said:

There were drill trucks at the honey Tulepo site today. Soil sampling? 

Yes - If they were drilling it’s for Soil Borings, Engineers need those to properly design Deep Foundations for all types of Structures.  

[SouthEndCLT811 976]

Plans for Lidl are getting dusted off again according to today's Charlotte Ledger.  Any chance we'll see the site redesigned where parking will be behind a street front building? ?

https://charlotteledger.substack.com/p/the-vacation-home-market-is-bonkers

 

[CLT2014 2673]

23 minutes ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

Plans for Lidl are getting dusted off again according to today's Charlotte Ledger.  Any chance we'll see the site redesigned where parking will be behind a street front building? ?

https://charlotteledger.substack.com/p/the-vacation-home-market-is-bonkers

 

Getting the parking in the back or at least on the side is critical for this area feeling more walkable. South starts to feel like a highway through the Scaleybark stretch.

"It’s also proposing widening South Boulevard to install a southbound turn lane into the site."

A designated turning lane should have also been forced on the Chick-fil-A on South Blvd or a median installation to prevent left turns from the fast food crowd looking for their daily dose of fried food that just sit there for 5 minutes with their blinker on. I hope that wrong can be fixed some day.

Edited August 10, 2020 by CLT2014

[SouthEndCLT811 976]

Monday-Saturday never drive in the left lane on South from Poindexter, I always think of that as a rookie move.  Probably 5 out of 6 times at least 1 person is going to be turning in to that Chick-fil-A 

[hambone931 297]

44 minutes ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

Plans for Lidl are getting dusted off again according to today's Charlotte Ledger.  Any chance we'll see the site redesigned where parking will be behind a street front building? ?

https://charlotteledger.substack.com/p/the-vacation-home-market-is-bonkers

 

I wish they would just sell this site, take their pile of profit and build further down south blvd. 

[Temeteron 409]

I think the biggest reason why atm it’s crazy is because the are doing only drive thru because of Covid. It’s gone form crazy to even crazier because of that reason.  

[j-man 1651]

Happy for this! I love Lidl. Their products are really good and very cheap. The store doesn’t have the most but your basic necessities are there. I’m glad this parcel is getting some life since Scaleybark is building up. 

[t_money 216]

On 7/2/2020 at 1:55 PM, gman430 said:

Crane city...

 

What's with this new building on the corner of Tryon and West?  The prominent corner at the main intersection of the lot is just a giant concrete slab wall of the parking garage.  Its so hidious and when I drive by it I question why it is like this?  So the office can be half a block closer to the light rail?  

Edit: looked at some of the rendering on their site. I guess the garage will be wrapped with apartments, but I can't imagine there is enough room on the side of West or Tryon for that? I guess it will look good from the other side but I wonder about the main street side.

Edited August 13, 2020 by t_money

[KJHburg 69646]

2 minutes ago, t_money said:

What's with this new building on the corner of Tryon and West?  The prominent corner at the main intersection of the lot is just a giant concrete slab wall of the parking garage.  Its so hidious and when I drive by it I question why it is like this?  So the office can be half a block closer to the light rail?  

that parking deck will be wrapped with apartments as across  Tryon street is mainly residential save the first location of Bojangles ever. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, t_money said:

What's with this new building on the corner of Tryon and West?  The prominent corner at the main intersection of the lot is just a giant concrete slab wall of the parking garage.  Its so hidious and when I drive by it I question why it is like this?  So the office can be half a block closer to the light rail?  

Edit: looked at some of the rendering on their site. I guess the garage will be wrapped with apartments, but I can't imagine there is enough room on the side of West or Tryon for that? I guess it will look good from the other side but I wonder about the main street side.

Its not because of the light rail, though honestly probably yes, but current zoning would keep something as tall as Square from being directly across from single family. 

[navigator319 2164]

What do people think of the new condos announced on S Tryon in SE?

No real amenities for the prices and HOA running $275 to start :/

https://thefulcrumone.com/

[CLT2014 2673]

I'd be concerned they are leaning pretty heavily into the "Modern Mercantile Styling," which will likely be dated in about 10 years and the HOA will need to spend $$$ on revamping spaces to keep property values up. It won't necessarily be a "timeless" dated either. For a building people are buying in, I also think they could have made the outside a little bit more interesting rather than an L shaped box.

It is good that more properties are being made available for the purchase buyer rather than just apartment dwellers. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by CLT2014

[navigator319 2164]

Sure styling is subjective, but really that’s the rate they going to get people to pay for it for the area??? I guess I can say the same for the Ryan Homes townhouses around the corner.

[Blue_Devil 783]

2 hours ago, navigator319 said:

Sure styling is subjective, but really that’s the rate they going to get people to pay for it for the area??? I guess I can say the same for the Ryan Homes townhouses around the corner.

Those will all sell extremely fast

[navigator319 2164]

Those will all sell extremely fast

I’d like to see that. Tbh I’m thinking about putting a deposit down myself. The more folks I have talked to this weekend and doing sales comps these are priced remarkably average I have found. Still mentally working through the HOA $ and no amenities. We shall see.

[Blue_Devil 783]

11 hours ago, navigator319 said:

I’d like to see that. Tbh I’m thinking about putting a deposit down myself. The more folks I have talked to this weekend and doing sales comps these are priced remarkably average I have found. Still mentally working through the HOA $ and no amenities. We shall see.

The ones over by the Taco Bell on South completely sold out preconstruction. Was talking to the builder about them. They had issues selling the Quad-plex but those prices were 480-750 for 1200 to 2100 sqft. They still ended p selling them all.

[RANYC 584]

So confused by Charlotte real estate.  Yes, South End is nice.  But at these prices for such cheap-looking construction?  I mean, South End is no international destination.   There's no "entertainment row," no festive corridor, not even a signature park or plaza as far as I can tell...  So baffling.  Is walkability such a rarity in Charlotte that any place that appears to be the least bit walkable and pedestrian-oriented suddenly becomes Charlotte's version of London's Soho district?

Edited August 17, 2020 by RANYC

[CLT2014 2673]

17 minutes ago, RANYC said:

  Is walkability such a rarity in Charlotte that any place that appears to be the least bit walkable and pedestrian-oriented suddenly becomes Charlotte's version of London's Soho district?

Yes

[Blue_Devil 783]

1 hour ago, RANYC said:

So confused by Charlotte real estate.  Yes, South End is nice.  But at these prices for such cheap-looking construction?  I mean, South End is no international destination.   There's no "entertainment row," no festive corridor, not even a signature park or plaza as far as I can tell...  So baffling.  Is walkability such a rarity in Charlotte that any place that appears to be the least bit walkable and pedestrian-oriented suddenly becomes Charlotte's version of London's Soho district?

spot on

[kermit 12215]

3 hours ago, RANYC said:

So confused by Charlotte real estate.  Yes, South End is nice.  But at these prices for such cheap-looking construction?  I mean, South End is no international destination.   There's no "entertainment row," no festive corridor, not even a signature park or plaza as far as I can tell...  So baffling.  Is walkability such a rarity in Charlotte that any place that appears to be the least bit walkable and pedestrian-oriented suddenly becomes Charlotte's version of London's Soho district?

This is absolutely true. In comparison to hundreds of other similarly sized cities Southend is Completely unremarkable. But our lack of walkability causes whatever mediocre neighborhoods we have to be overpriced. More transit development and better TOD (Making more walkability) is the only way to address this ridiculous pricing situation.

Why does no one ever think supply and demand applies to infill development???

[atlrvr 4319]

I mean, it's all relative.  It's relatively highest price, because it's the most walkable, highest density of amenities that younger people look for in the Charlotte region.

SoHo London is 5x-6x more expensive on an absolute basis.  Does it provide 5-6x the lifestyle experience?  I'm sure to some, but many others would say South End is a comparitive bargain.

 

[RANYC 584]

Didn't mean to compare Soho and South End.  Was more just making a point.  It's the price trend in South End (and City Center) versus other parts of the region that seems so outlandish.  I don't see enough of a cachet with center city living to compel the kind of spread in price trends compared with neighborhoods ex-city center.  Center city isn't on the bayfront, not on the riverfront, not alongside or in view of the beach, not surrounded by mountain-scapes, not on the peninsula, not on an island, not comprised of some compelling architectural thread, not dense with historical building stock...

Charlotte is a very nice place to live.  It's  a landlocked region with few defining and stand-out landmarks or features, so when I see the kind of disparities in price trend that I'm seeing, I become a bit flummoxed.  At the end of the day, I may be engaging in the futile attempt to make sense of a market moment...a baseless exuberance that will need time to resolve itself.

[theronhobbs 302]

14 hours ago, RANYC said:

Center city isn't on the bayfront, not on the riverfront,

Not on the riverfront yet... give it 10 years.

[JHart 436]

14 hours ago, RANYC said:

Didn't mean to compare Soho and South End.  Was more just making a point.  It's the price trend in South End (and City Center) versus other parts of the region that seems so outlandish.  I don't see enough of a cachet with center city living to compel the kind of spread in price trends compared with neighborhoods ex-city center.  Center city isn't on the bayfront, not on the riverfront, not alongside or in view of the beach, not surrounded by mountain-scapes, not on the peninsula, not on an island, not comprised of some compelling architectural thread, not dense with historical building stock...

Charlotte is a very nice place to live.  It's  a landlocked region with few defining and stand-out landmarks or features, so when I see the kind of disparities in price trend that I'm seeing, I become a bit flummoxed.  At the end of the day, I may be engaging in the futile attempt to make sense of a market moment...a baseless exuberance that will need time to resolve itself.

SouthEnd is definitely the most expensive neighborhood around Charlotte, but city pricing in general is crazy right now. Corporate relocations and people seeking smaller cities along with increased urbanization means everyone is fighting for the 5% of houses that are actually for sale in Charlotte. I already spend the majority of my day working, why would I want to add an extra 1.5 hour commute just to get a cheaper house? That means I'm working 15-20% more without even including commuting costs which people drastically underestimate. $6k a year to commute or an extra $500 a month towards a higher mortgage, without even discussing the extra amentites that being somewhere walkable provides.