SouthEnd Midrise Projects

[atlrvr]

Yes, that's the building where demo permits have been filed. 

[videtur quam contuor]

Shameful

[cltbwimob]

21 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Yes, that's the building where demo permits have been filed. 

Can you post a link.  I can’t seem to find any record of a sale or permit or anything on that building 

[atlrvr]

https://webpermit.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Project&PosseObjectId=437465204

[Guest]

If that developer can build around the bread place on graham then this one can do the same, especially if it’s a whole block development 

[Blue_Devil]

I am trying to figure this out, would Tyber Creek actually be demolished? or the building next to it? 

[atlrvr]

Yes and yes.

[san]

I am genuinely baffled that they’re going to demolish it....

[slipperypete]

22 hours ago, MothBeast said:

There are two buildings there that need to be preserved in my opinion. The largest building and the parking lots should provide more than enough space for a project.

edit: is there anyway to find the age of a building? Loopnet and GIS were no help. I’m certain the middle building is quite old but the pub building may just appear so. Either way the pub building is iconic looking and I think should stay.

The middle building was built in 1903 and has a Landmarks Commission page. The pub and office condo building surrounding it are each much newer (1989 and 2002, respectively). 

[Blue_Devil]

16 hours ago, atlrvr said:

Yes and yes.

I am a pretty big proponent of build all the things.... I don't even mind the 110 East tower, even though I think it could be better. However, selfishly, I go to Tyber Creek frequently, and I do not want it to go. ITs a nice little hangout spot. Blehhhhhh

[jjwilli]

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2021/09/13/interior-company-sells-south-end-building.html

You have to wonder if this purchase on Distribution St by the Tyber Creek restaurant group is not for a "new concept" and is actually for the eventual relocation of Tyber Creek.

[TheRealClayton]

1 hour ago, jjwilli said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2021/09/13/interior-company-sells-south-end-building.html

You have to wonder if this purchase on Distribution St by the Tyber Creek restaurant group is not for a "new concept" and is actually for the eventual relocation of Tyber Creek.

this

[videtur quam contuor]

The potential project discussed just above appears to include the south half block bound by South, Tremont, and Cleveland. 45+ years ago this half block was mostly dirt. The Leeper store dates from 1903 facing South. Next to it is now Tyber Creek. The Tyber Creek property was gravel parking for the Carafe, a beloved bar for the misbegotten urban pioneers of Dilworth and their ilk.  Here is a historic photo. Note balcony which is unlikely original and long gone in any case.

https://m.facebook.com/CLTOVER/posts/2716329761940524

Tyber Creek took the building built for Trolley's End restaurant as the sign here suggests. Bar lower level and dining room upstairs. I was there one evening in the 90's and our food was delayed for quite a while and then the server notified us that the fire suppression system had activated in the kitchen and this triggered a gas service suspension so drinks were complementary and a voucher for dinner at another time. I never returned.

In the middle of the Tremont strip of the half block was a timber frame building with metal sides and roof, very barn looking, and was the original location of Crossland Studio, the architectural antiques business run by two brothers, as I recall. It had a dirt floor and piles of stuff on tables, in boxes and bins, leaning on walls, a jumble, but the owners made sense of it if you had a specific request they could identify. They moved the contents to the building at 118 E Kingston a few years later and closed that location not too long ago. The Kingston location was MUCH improved with an order and cleanliness lacking in the barn.

The business facing Cleveland was Bob's Heating and Air, the Dilworth HVAC company. They were excellent for me on my Dilworth properties and are now Air Today on England Street close to the Lance plant.

Rear of Leeper store. Renovation replaced arch windows with conventional rectangular windows. Not appropriate. Note parapet at top along roof sides with clay tiles for cap. The rim of brick marking the ceiling of first floor is at least double the door height suggesting ceiling of 13.5 feet. 

Crossland barn was  on this current parking lot. Building at rear is also more recent with architecture to suggest some age.

This sign with the model of the car 85 was for the restaurant and the Tyber people repurposed it

Directly behind Leeper store facing Cleveland was Bob's HVAC. Addition at the rear for studio is newer. Company vehicle parking was on right of building with equipment behind building and ringed with fence with wire at the time. Hanger for Bob's sign persists above door.

Gerald Ford was president. The compulsory conscription (ask your grandparents) had just ended. Vietnam War was winding down, everyone could see that. Blazing Saddles and Godfather Part II were top movies. Downtown was downtown.

Higher social classes and families avoided Dilworth and lenders and agents dismissed the area. All done very politely, of course. 

[atlrvr]

Hanover Co, the Houston developer behind The Ashton (11-story OG high rise in South End on Tremont)   and the new ~14 story apartments just breaking ground on Morehead at Euclid, is planning another mid-rise project.

This one on S Tryon between that street and Distribution St at the intersection of Rampart.  Roughly 2301 S Tryon and 2300 Distribution.

No details other than I expect it to be concrete mid-rise, but that part's just a guess based on their existng portfolio.

[Prodev]

It's not. Wood-frame. 439 units and no retail. Deck is wrapped on all 4 sides though, so I guess it's got that going for it.

[carolinaboy]

8 minutes ago, Prodev said:

It's not. Wood-frame. 439 units and no retail. Deck is wrapped on all 4 sides though, so I guess it's got that going for it.

How many floors?

[Prodev]

Mostly 5-story w/ a small 6-story portion on the south side b/c of the grade change. 

[Miesian Corners]

On 10/5/2021 at 2:27 PM, tarhoosier said:

Downtown was downtown.

 

Only trouble is, my grandmother and great aunts (born here) always called it uptown. Even rode the original streetcar from Dilworth UP there.

[Matthew.Brendan]

It's almost as if, hear me out, people have forever used both downtown and uptown interchangeably, and everyone still understands what they mean.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[Blue_Devil]

Hanover Co, the Houston developer behind The Ashton (11-story OG high rise in South End on Tremont)   and the new ~14 story apartments just breaking ground on Morehead at Euclid, is planning another mid-rise project.
This one on S Tryon between that street and Distribution St at the intersection of Rampart.  Roughly 2301 S Tryon and 2300 Distribution.
No details other than I expect it to be concrete mid-rise, but that part's just a guess based on their existng portfolio.

I think you mean Dunavant, not Rampart. Rampart is one block north.


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[KJHburg]

On 10/3/2021 at 12:32 PM, atlrvr said:

Demo permit filed for middle building (old one).  Preemptive filing, as HDC can enforce 365 day stay of demolition, given it has some sort of status (that block is outside the Historic District).

I assume that means plans for mid-rise there probably ~1 year off.

well maybe not a midrise according to this information I found on the NC Brownfields site which that property (and most of Southend) is in.

31 story tower with 7 levels of parking including in that.   so quite a tall building is proposed by Southern Land on Tyber Creek pub site.   Might be in the new Tranist oriented district zoning area as it is block away from the East/West station. 

25073_Fulbright Laboratories_BPA (nc.gov)     page 6 or so.  

Edited October 9, 2021 by KJHburg

[KJHburg]

and this Southern Land Co of Nashville has built a few highrises mainly in Philadelphia and one in Nashville.  But don't tell Nashville this proposal is much taller than in their home market.

Southern Land Company | MULTI-FAMILY    their Philly towers are very nice looking. 

[atl2clt]

On 10/9/2021 at 10:28 AM, KJHburg said:

well maybe not a midrise according to this information I found on the NC Brownfields site which that property (and most of Southend) is in.

31 story tower with 7 levels of parking including in that.   so quite a tall building is proposed by Southern Land on Tyber Creek pub site.   Might be in the new Tranist oriented district zoning area as it is block away from the East/West station. 

25073_Fulbright Laboratories_BPA (nc.gov)     page 6 or so.  

Wow. That link is awesome. 

I was extremely disappointed when I first heard that Tyber Creek was going to be demolished and replaced with apartments. I was assured that it was going to be another monoculture 5-8 story luxury apartment building. However, I'm impressed by the site proposal:

• +/- 3,000 sq ft of ground floor retail 
• +/- 4,500 sq ft of ground floor restaurant space
• +/- 313 apartments in 24-stories located above the parking deck; total building height is anticipated to be +/- 31-stories
• +/- 405 parking stalls in a 7-story above grade parking deck

While I am certainly excited about the prospect of even more towers rising in South End, there are some clear negatives with this project. (1) A seven-story parking deck is only going to make the intersection of South Blvd and Tremont even more of a nightmare. (2) We lose one of the more unique nightlife options in South End. Tyber Creek is one of the only bars in the area that stays open until 2:00 AM (and it's usually busy until close). Tyber Creek is a gross and smelly bar. The music is loud, the drinks are mediocre and it's often full of obnoxious drunk people who venture across South Blvd to end the night. But overall, I think Tyber Creek offers something special. It has character--which seems to be an ingredient missing from so many new developments in South End. Tyber Creek provides a degree of nightlife and energy that very few bars in this city can match. Tyber Creek will be sorely missed (by me at least). I will make sure to order extra curry fries and leave a nice tip during my next visit. 

[TheRealClayton]

1 hour ago, atl2clt said:

Wow. That link is awesome. 

I was extremely disappointed when I first heard that Tyber Creek was going to be demolished and replaced with apartments. I was assured that it was going to be another monoculture 5-8 story luxury apartment building. However, I'm impressed by the site proposal:

• +/- 3,000 sq ft of ground floor retail 
• +/- 4,500 sq ft of ground floor restaurant space
• +/- 313 apartments in 24-stories located above the parking deck; total building height is anticipated to be +/- 31-stories
• +/- 405 parking stalls in a 7-story above grade parking deck

While I am certainly excited about the prospect of even more towers rising in South End, there are some clear negatives with this project. (1) A seven-story parking deck is only going to make the intersection of South Blvd and Tremont even more of a nightmare. (2) We lose one of the more unique nightlife options in South End. Tyber Creek is one of the only bars in the area that stays open until 2:00 AM (and it's usually busy until close). Tyber Creek is a gross and smelly bar. The music is loud, the drinks are mediocre and it's often full of obnoxious drunk people who venture across South Blvd to end the night. But overall, I think Tyber Creek offers something special. It has character--which seems to be an ingredient missing from so many new developments in South End. Tyber Creek provides a degree of nightlife and energy that very few bars in this city can match. Tyber Creek will be sorely missed (by me at least). I will make sure to order extra curry fries and leave a nice tip during my next visit. 

From what I'm hearing Tyber will be the 4,500 sq foot retaurant space in the new building. 

[CTiger]

14 hours ago, atl2clt said:

Tyber Creek is a gross and smelly bar. The music is loud, the drinks are mediocre and it's often full of obnoxious drunk people who venture across South Blvd to end the night.

You say that like it isn't the main appeal of Tyber Creek   Also, your point about there not being any bars that stay open until 2AM in Southend is pretty remarkable.  Even in my crappy little hometown of 20k people, the bars are open until 2.  Seems like the core neighborhood for 20-somethings should be able to support more bars that stay open late.