SouthEnd Midrise Projects

[CLT2014]

32 minutes ago, CTiger said:

You say that like it isn't the main appeal of Tyber Creek   Also, your point about there not being any bars that stay open until 2AM in Southend is pretty remarkable.  Even in my crappy little hometown of 20k people, the bars are open until 2.  Seems like the core neighborhood for 20-somethings should be able to support more bars that stay open late.

Tyber Creek isn't the only place open until 2am. Lost & Found, The Brickyard, The Union, Fire House, Charlotte Beer Garden, Rosemont, Pins Mechanical (weekends), Small Bar, Brigid's (weekends), Seoul (weekends), Slingshot (weekends), Tavern on the Tracks (weekends), Gin Mill (weekends), et... 

[CTiger]

5 minutes ago, CLT2014 said:

Tyber Creek isn't the only place open until 2am. Lost & Found, The Brickyard, The Union, Fire House, Charlotte Beer Garden, Rosemont, Pins Mechanical (weekends), Small Bar, Brigid's (weekends), Seoul (weekends), Slingshot (weekends), Tavern on the Tracks (weekends), Gin Mill (weekends), et... 

Thats a solid list.  I guess I've just aged out of knowing where all the cool kids are these days.

[SouthendSnoop]

1 hour ago, CLT2014 said:

Tyber Creek isn't the only place open until 2am. Lost & Found, The Brickyard, The Union, Fire House, Charlotte Beer Garden, Rosemont, Pins Mechanical (weekends), Small Bar, Brigid's (weekends), Seoul (weekends), Slingshot (weekends), Tavern on the Tracks (weekends), Gin Mill (weekends), et... 

with that said, if never hurts to have more. Southend is a damn urban utopia within this car centric city but damn, I have a feeling that it’s going to turn into an office/luxury apartment dominated district with little to no retail in the next 10 years. Seems like we build these huge parking garages and buildings and never put anything on the ground floor. Developser truly don’t get what makes people want to live in southend in the first place. 

[Blue_Devil]

9 minutes ago, SouthendSnoop said:

with that said, if never hurts to have more. Southend is a damn urban utopia within this car centric city but damn, I have a feeling that it’s going to turn into an office/luxury apartment dominated district with little to no retail in the next 10 years. Seems like we build these huge parking garages and buildings and never put anything on the ground floor. Developser truly don’t get what makes people want to live in southend in the first place. 

The amount of Retail going up along the rail trail is insane though. Every new building has 10-15,000 sqft. Even with the new construction there is a organic feel to it, unlike Uptown. 

[TheRealClayton]

26 minutes ago, SouthendSnoop said:

with that said, if never hurts to have more. Southend is a damn urban utopia within this car centric city but damn, I have a feeling that it’s going to turn into an office/luxury apartment dominated district with little to no retail in the next 10 years. Seems like we build these huge parking garages and buildings and never put anything on the ground floor. Developser truly don’t get what makes people want to live in southend in the first place. 

I can only think of one building in planning that doesn't have retail, and there are dozens and dozens left to announce.

[J-Rob]

3 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

and there are dozens and dozens left to announce.

that's a lot of apartments!

Seriously though, in an age of shock and awe, its been a while since I had to reread a statement like that.  That is both insane and exciting.

Maybe I should clarify - dozens and dozens of retail announcements, or dozens and dozens of new building announcements?

Edited October 12, 2021 by J-Rob

[TheRealClayton]

19 minutes ago, J-Rob said:

that's a lot of apartments!

Seriously though, in an age of shock and awe, its been a while since I had to reread a statement like that.  That is both insane and exciting.

Maybe I should clarify - dozens and dozens of retail announcements, or dozens and dozens of new building announcements?

ok dozens and dozens might be hyperbole, but lets say a dozen.

[j-man]

Its going to be an interesting sight to see once all of this migration comes to a stand still and/or people go back to where they came from and all these cites are filled with cookie cutter 5-7 story apartments. Its just funny how we have so much written and photographed history of interesting and meaningful architecture, but in the future they will look back at this time period and think "wow how bland." I just don't understand how people have so much skill and creativity (architects) but nationally I rarely see any new projects that catch my attention. Maybe its too modern for me, but I just don't see anything really unique that reflects theses times. 

[jthomas]

8 hours ago, j-man said:

Its going to be an interesting sight to see once all of this migration comes to a stand still and/or people go back to where they came from and all these cites are filled with cookie cutter 5-7 story apartments. Its just funny how we have so much written and photographed history of interesting and meaningful architecture, but in the future they will look back at this time period and think "wow how bland." I just don't understand how people have so much skill and creativity (architects) but nationally I rarely see any new projects that catch my attention. Maybe its too modern for me, but I just don't see anything really unique that reflects theses times. 

Maybe the blandness and disposability of the architecture reflects these times perfectly. In an age where a segment of the population won't even wear a piece of cloth over their face to save the lives of their fellow man, is it a surprise that many new buildings show indifference to their surroundings, the past, or providing value to future generations?

[TGIBridays]

9 hours ago, j-man said:

Its going to be an interesting sight to see once all of this migration comes to a stand still and/or people go back to where they came from and all these cites are filled with cookie cutter 5-7 story apartments. Its just funny how we have so much written and photographed history of interesting and meaningful architecture, but in the future they will look back at this time period and think "wow how bland." I just don't understand how people have so much skill and creativity (architects) but nationally I rarely see any new projects that catch my attention. Maybe its too modern for me, but I just don't see anything really unique that reflects theses times. 

I think one of the issues with this perspective is that when we look at history you're usually looking at the most interesting examples from the past. Historic buildings that are still standing aren't going to be the ones that were cheap and utilitarian (unless they had some kind of historical significance). They're going to be the ones that literally stood the test of time or that were so beautiful, interesting, or important that people made the effort to preserve them.  As far as photographs: I for one tend to take pictures of the interesting things and try to frame my images in order to capture points of interest while ignoring the bland.  I would assume that is the case for photographers in the past as well. The mundane tends to fall away when looking in the past, even if the mundane had a relatively high utility at the time.

I think there are architects and developers that are building interesting and meaningful buildings today, but it's never going to be all buildings or even a majority.  People need a place to live more than they need nice buildings to look at (not that beauty and interest in architecture aren't important). It's also true that architectural fashions change like clothing fashions change.  What you or I see as interesting and meaningful may not be seen the same way in the future.

All that said, I'd love to see more variety and uniqueness in our city as well as more varied opportunities for home ownership (so not just SFH and apartments). 

[TheRealClayton]

1 hour ago, TGIBridays said:

I think one of the issues with this perspective is that when we look at history you're usually looking at the most interesting examples from the past. Historic buildings that are still standing aren't going to be the ones that were cheap and utilitarian (unless they had some kind of historical significance). They're going to be the ones that literally stood the test of time or that were so beautiful, interesting, or important that people made the effort to preserve them.  As far as photographs: I for one tend to take pictures of the interesting things and try to frame my images in order to capture points of interest while ignoring the bland.  I would assume that is the case for photographers in the past as well. The mundane tends to fall away when looking in the past, even if the mundane had a relatively high utility at the time.

I think there are architects and developers that are building interesting and meaningful buildings today, but it's never going to be all buildings or even a majority.  People need a place to live more than they need nice buildings to look at (not that beauty and interest in architecture aren't important). It's also true that architectural fashions change like clothing fashions change.  What you or I see as interesting and meaningful may not be seen the same way in the future.

All that said, I'd love to see more variety and uniqueness in our city as well as more varied opportunities for home ownership (so not just SFH and apartments). 

holy crap, an incredibly level headed perspective on Urban Planet. Bravo

Edited October 13, 2021 by TheRealClayton

[Blue_Devil]

I just want to start seeing these projects break ground. I know 110 East is close, and they have done some prep work, but there are so many proposals that seem so close. I want the push to happen, and to see 20 tower cranes from my living room window again. 

[videtur quam contuor]

"We shape our buildings and then our buildings shape us."  Spoken by Winston Churchill on the renovation of the House of Parliament in 1945 after WWII damage and echoed many times later by lesser men and women. No less true today, and here, and everywhere.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/building/palace/architecture/palacestructure/churchill/

[tozmervo]

5 hours ago, TGIBridays said:

I think one of the issues with this perspective is that when we look at history you're usually looking at the most interesting examples from the past. Historic buildings that are still standing aren't going to be the ones that were cheap and utilitarian (unless they had some kind of historical significance). They're going to be the ones that literally stood the test of time or that were so beautiful, interesting, or important that people made the effort to preserve them.  As far as photographs: I for one tend to take pictures of the interesting things and try to frame my images in order to capture points of interest while ignoring the bland.  I would assume that is the case for photographers in the past as well. The mundane tends to fall away when looking in the past, even if the mundane had a relatively high utility at the time.

I think there are architects and developers that are building interesting and meaningful buildings today, but it's never going to be all buildings or even a majority.  People need a place to live more than they need nice buildings to look at (not that beauty and interest in architecture aren't important). It's also true that architectural fashions change like clothing fashions change.  What you or I see as interesting and meaningful may not be seen the same way in the future.

All that said, I'd love to see more variety and uniqueness in our city as well as more varied opportunities for home ownership (so not just SFH and apartments). 

One of my favorite examples of how the passage of time changes things is Yadkin & Alexander streets in NoDa. If you walk down those streets, they are lined with an interesting array of homes.

But look again: all those houses started life as identical millworker houses. As decades passed, little changes to each house - roofs, paints, additions, porch changes, etc - created a much more diverse sense of a street. What started as a street that was probably more cookie cutter and bland than anything we can imagine is now one of the most desirable destinations in the city.

[ES Charlotte]

On 10/11/2021 at 7:38 PM, TheRealClayton said:

From what I'm hearing Tyber will be the 4,500 sq foot retaurant space in the new building. 

[CLT2014]

1 hour ago, tozmervo said:

One of my favorite examples of how the passage of time changes things is Yadkin & Alexander streets in NoDa. If you walk down those streets, they are lined with an interesting array of homes.

But look again: all those houses started life as identical millworker houses. As decades passed, little changes to each house - roofs, paints, additions, porch changes, etc - created a much more diverse sense of a street. What started as a street that was probably more cookie cutter and bland than anything we can imagine is now one of the most desirable destinations in the city.

One thing that makes the modern neighborhood a little bit less likely to experience change like the mill homes of yesterday.... the invention of the most terrifying form of local government..... THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION and CC&Rs.

Color permitted of your house: Beige, White, Grey
Windows permitted: White vinyl
Roof colors permitted: Asphalt Gray or Asphalt Black
Additions: None to front, sunroom or patio structure in back. Requires approval from Architecture Committee (made up of people that watch HGTV. Thus expert and qualified to tell others what to do on architecture.)
Driveway: Concrete slab only or approval from Architecture Committee. NO GRAVEL! No concrete with grass. No pavers. CONRETE!
Flags: NONE! ABSOLUTELY NO FLAGS! No American flags, college flags, state flags, pride flags, holiday flags, Jesus flags, Confederate flags, flags with geometric shapes. NO FLAGS!!! Especially flag poles. 
Landscaping: You must have Fescue grass. You cannot change amount of grass. You can replace shrubs. No trees that grow over 15 feet tall.
Parking: DO NOT PARK ON STREET!!! Do not have friends with cars. Do not have parties that bring cars. Do not socialize if it brings cars. Any car on street will be towed. You can have one visitor that fits in driveway or designated visitor spot by pool club.
Front Door: Can have wood grain, white, black, or red. Anything else requires approval of Architecture Committee.... do NOT test us with a pink door. We will say no.
Chairs out front to greet neighbors: WTF??? Greet neighbors?!?!! NO FURNITURE OR CHAIRS IN FRONT OF HOME! Lock up your home. Ring doorbell required. You can have patio furniture in backyard. 
Fences: NO PICKET FENCES. Must have clean line of sight and no fencing in front yard. You can have a black wrought iron fence in backyard only, no more than 5 feet tall. NO BAMBOO FENCES. WE WILL FINE YOU!
Basketball hoops: Must not be attached to home. Movable basketball hoop must be off front yard between 6PM and 6AM.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by CLT2014

[j-man]

6 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

One thing that makes the modern neighborhood a little bit less likely to experience change like the mill homes of yesterday.... the invention of the most terrifying form of local government..... THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION and CC&Rs.

Color permitted of your house: Beige, White, Grey
Windows permitted: White vinyl
Roof colors permitted: Asphalt Gray or Asphalt Black
Additions: None to front, sunroom or patio structure in back. Requires approval from Architecture Committee (made up of people that watch HGTV. Thus expert and qualified to tell others what to do on architecture.)
Driveway: Concrete slab only or approval from Architecture Committee. NO GRAVEL! No concrete with grass. No pavers. CONRETE!
Flags: NONE! ABSOLUTELY NO FLAGS! No American flags, college flags, state flags, pride flags, holiday flags, Jesus flags, Confederate flags, flags with geometric shapes. NO FLAGS!!! Especially flag poles. 
Landscaping: You must have Fescue grass. You cannot change amount of grass. You can replace shrubs. No trees that grow over 15 feet tall.
Parking: DO NOT PARK ON STREET!!! Do not have friends with cars. Do not have parties that bring cars. Do not socialize if it brings cars. Any car on street will be towed. You can have one visitor that fits in driveway or designated visitor spot by pool club.
Front Door: Can have wood grain, white, black, or red. Anything else requires approval of Architecture Committee.... do NOT test us with a pink door. We will say no.
Chairs out front to greet neighbors: WTF??? Greet neighbors?!?!! NO FURNITURE OR CHAIRS IN FRONT OF HOME! Lock up your home. Ring doorbell required. You can have patio furniture in backyard. 
Fences: NO PICKET FENCES. Must have clean line of sight and no fencing in front yard. You can have a black wrought iron fence in backyard only, no more than 5 feet tall. NO BAMBOO FENCES. WE WILL FINE YOU!
Basketball hoops: Must not be attached to home. Movable basketball hoop must be off front yard between 6PM and 6AM.

 

All of this is sooooo true! And  I absolutely hate them all. Some planned neighborhoods look appealing, but for the majority of them, no. Too many rules. It takes away from what a real meaningful neighborhood should be like. Sure there are some people that actually like that structure of living but to me I just feel that is sucks the life out of people and how they even interact with one another. Just copy and paste all around. Country living or Urban downtown neighborhoods are much more interesting to live in and look at. Never will I understand the appeal these days of gated communities, especially for middle class people, or sprawling subdivisions. 

Edited October 14, 2021 by j-man

[midtownclt]

On 10/13/2021 at 9:31 AM, Blue_Devil said:

I just want to start seeing these projects break ground. I know 110 East is close, and they have done some prep work, but there are so many proposals that seem so close. I want the push to happen, and to see 20 tower cranes from my living room window again. 

I agree.  I am getting nervous that so many of the projects are taking so long to get started.  I know things take time and the market can demand tenants in advance but many are residential (rental) proposals and they still have not started.

The project across from the Arlington on South Blvd has had no movement for so long.  As for office projects, there is so much discussion of COVID/work from home or hybrid models in the future that I wonder if there is enough demand.  I really hope so!

I want to see as many tower cranes as possible too!  

It seems that Raleigh has so many proposals out there as well with a desire to have several 40 story towers, but I just worry about the demand.  Is it going to be there?  I guess I just need to wait and see what happens as I have not control.  

[KJHburg]

I was thinking about this today walking around Ballantyne.  I think there has been some demand destruction in the office market.  Insurance companies like Allstate giving up space in Charlotte for  Moodys for example.  In Atlanta and Dallas State Farm have subleased 100s of thousands of square feet of their recently built office space.  Nationwide gave up a 60,000 sq ft in Raleigh and told everyone to work from home but the building was quickly leased by the State Employees Credit Union.  Some companies are shrinking their footprints and eliminate offices altogether but others are committed to office space maybe redesigned in the future.  So is the office market as bright as it was Jan. 1 2020 absolutely not but it is not all doom and gloom.  There is a huge flight to quality and I think older class A and B buildings might suffer if not in a mixed used environment like in Southend or uptown or even in suburban town center type projects.  Specifically on the Fallon building on South Blvd they want an anchor tenant before starting.   I think we will as many new office buildings being built in the next 5 years as ones that disappeared through new  uses or flat out demos.  

[TheRealClayton]

1 hour ago, midtownclt said:

I agree.  I am getting nervous that so many of the projects are taking so long to get started.  I know things take time and the market can demand tenants in advance but many are residential (rental) proposals and they still have not started.

The project across from the Arlington on South Blvd has had no movement for so long.  As for office projects, there is so much discussion of COVID/work from home or hybrid models in the future that I wonder if there is enough demand.  I really hope so!

I want to see as many tower cranes as possible too!  

It seems that Raleigh has so many proposals out there as well with a desire to have several 40 story towers, but I just worry about the demand.  Is it going to be there?  I guess I just need to wait and see what happens as I have not control.  

Most of those Raleigh proposals, just like the last time around, are pie in the sky. Those 40 story buildings will ultimately be 20 story buildings or just not happen at all. We ourselves have 3-4 40 floor proposals, they just haven't been reported yet, because there is a giant empty void in Charlotte Development News and a very closed lip Private Public Partnership Division of the city. 

Edited October 14, 2021 by TheRealClayton

[Madison Parkitect]

6 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

We ourselves have 3-4 40 floor proposals, they just haven't been reported yet, because there is a giant empty void in Charlotte Development News and a very closed lip Private Public Partnership Division of the city. 

Honestly, I'm fine with that. A lot of times leaks end up hurting the developers, architects, and public perception because images get out before they're finalized or square footages/floor counts get out before they're really set... I'd rather the general public not see development news until the developer is ready to put it out. Let everyone get their ducks in a row and prepare their best presentation to the public.

[KJHburg]

7 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said:

Honestly, I'm fine with that. A lot of times leaks end up hurting the developers, architects, and public perception because images get out before they're finalized or square footages/floor counts get out before they're really set... I'd rather the general public not see development news until the developer is ready to put it out. Let everyone get their ducks in a row and prepare their best presentation to the public.

Lincoln Harris waits until they start construction to release renderings LOL 

[nicholas]

9 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

Most of those Raleigh proposals, just like the last time around, are pie in the sky. Those 40 story buildings will ultimately be 20 story buildings or just not happen at all.

Not sure about that.  Several of the current proposed projects in Raleigh have substantial financial backing and/or are public/private partnerships with various governing agencies.  There are currently around 20 proposed towers in downtown of at least 20 stories (the majority of which are zoned for 40 stories), and while I would be shocked to see a number of them ever reach construction, it's looking pretty likely that we will see a respectable number of new towers rising out of the ground in the coming years.

[KJHburg]

from twitter the other day Jason Thomas

@jasonthomasclt
Centrum Realty & Development outta Chicago just went on a big ole spending spree. They bought the would-be hotel site in Dilworth (Cleveland & Worthington) for $8.3m and they bought the PPG paints building in South End (Griffith & Youngblood) for $9.6m. Expect high-quality resi

From Nashville Biz Journal  on their plans in Nashville. 

""Chicago's Centrum Realty has released updated plans for a triple-tower project in the heart of downtown Nashville.  The firm is planning two residential towers — one 32 stories and one 39 stories — on Rutledge Street and Second Avenue, as well as a 29-story hotel on Peabody Street, according to documents filed with the Metro Planning Department. (Permit data previously listed the heights as 45, 16 and 23 stories, respectively.)""

this is very close to the Southern Land site at Tyber Creek pub and its high rise apartment tower.    These Chicago developers like to build tall remember Riverside plans on the UC site on S Tryon is 3 towered project too. 

Edited October 16, 2021 by KJHburg

[ES Charlotte]

On 10/4/2021 at 3:12 PM, jjwilli said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2021/09/13/interior-company-sells-south-end-building.html

You have to wonder if this purchase on Distribution St by the Tyber Creek restaurant group is not for a "new concept" and is actually for the eventual relocation of Tyber Creek.

Can confirm this is not the case. Neither Tyber or new concept.