Ghetto burbs

[racerxsfl]

Regarding Miami, everyone keeps saying Carol City, but some of those residential areas are well kept up. Just that main drag (Gardens Dr.) is a real dump. While in Miami lets also include:

Hialeah-east side, North Miami Beach, North Miami, Opa-Locka, Richmond Heights-Perrine-South Miami Heights: not a municipality but a huge unincorporated area in Miami Dade.

Ft. Lauderdale has Carver Ranches/Pembroke Park, Lauderdale Lakes, Lauderhill and Pompano.

West Palm Beach area Riviera Beach, and whoever posted Eatonville for Orlando i sort of agree however is a waaaay small area. Eatonville is also Florida's first incorporated black city. sorry just a random FYI

[vdogg]

I love how places being a certain percentage black help to define them as "ghetto".    I hate this thread.  What does "ghetto" even mean to some?

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I've seen just as many white "ghettos" as I have black ones. It is simply an economically depressed area and you can find those anywhere. Being black I find that I am still capable of acknowledging that there are some areas of my city in desperate need of a blight task force and some well placed public education funds. Glossing over a problem because we are afraid of the connotation it may have will do nothing to solve it.

[peaceloveunderstanding]

I think almost every city has an area named College Park and it's almost always ghetto. It's like a brand name  .

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Same with Martin Luther King Jr Avenue... Unfortunate really.

I've seen just as many white "ghettos" as I have black ones. It is simply an economically depressed area and you can find those anywhere. Being black I find that I am still capable of acknowledging that there are some areas of my city in desperate need of a blight task force and some well placed public education funds. Glossing over a problem because we are afraid of the connotation it may have will do nothing to solve it.

Really? I have never seen one. I have seen hispanic and asian "ghettos" but never a white "ghetto" in the city, they usually live out in the mountains or rural areas.

[GRDadof3]

Same with Martin Luther King Jr Avenue... Unfortunate really.

Really? I have never seen one. I have seen hispanic and asian "ghettos" but never a white "ghetto" in the city, they usually live out in the mountains or rural areas.

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Much of the Near-West side of Grand Rapids I would call white "ghetto". It is getting better though, with the renovation of the old American Seating Factory and the old Union High School into condos.

[vdogg]

Really? I have never seen one. I have seen hispanic and asian "ghettos" but never a white "ghetto" in the city, they usually live out in the mountains or rural areas.

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Well, they're never called ghetto but the end result is just the same. Many trailer parks could be considered white "ghettos" (and yes there are trailer parks in urban areas) because you are dealing with the same socioeconomic factors. Concentration of poverty is never good no matter what the race. Anytime you have a group of economically depressed people you are going to run into the same problems with crime, education, and blight. The point I am trying to make is that it is not simply confined to "minority" ethnic groups.

[peaceloveunderstanding]

indeed, I had forgotten about trailer parks since I had not seen one in about a year.

The point I am trying to make is that it is not simply confined to "minority" ethnic groups.

Very correct.

[I-275westcoastflorida]

The point I am trying to make is that it is not simply confined to "minority" ethnic groups

Very true i lived in a housing project until 1999 and im white. Anyway in St.Pete meadolawn is semi-ghetto the highschool i was going to go to before i moved had quite a few gangs in it. Also some places in the south side and around st.pete high school but the city has come a long way compared to when i first moved to it

[ctman987]

Your trying to say white flight is unusual? It was very common from the 50's to the 70's and still is happening, to a lesser extent, today. If you want to talk stats:

Detroit-

White/Non-Hispanic: 10.5%

Black: 81.2%

Hispanic: 5.0%

American Indian: .3%

Asian: 1.0%

Other race: .2%

Highland Park ("ghetto burb")-

White/Non-Hispanic: 4.0%

Black: 93.1%

Hispanic: .6%

American Indian: .2%

Asian: 0.2%

Other race: .2%

So whats your point? I really don't grasp what you are trying to say with these stts, I could guess, but I'll give you the benifit of the doubt. Care to explain yourself?

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I do care to try and explain myself. Every city is differant thus making it a case by case situations on all city matters whether it be what a city's "ghetto burbs" to what the main line of business is in a city but all I mean was in the situation of the city of Hartford, a large percentage of african americans or latino americans typically defines the ghetto burb if you will.

I am fully aware of the fact that white flight/suburban flight is very common among cities in the United States. In New England and many other cities in the northeast the cities have retained a large percentage of there caucasian population while Hartford has not so a ghetto burb of Boston or New Haven or Springfield may not be the equivalant of a ghetto burb of Hartford.

With the stats I was just trying to paint a picture of the city as when many people think of New England they do not typically think of large influxes of lower income (whatever color they may be) or large influxes or minorties which Hartford is.

[PeninsulaKiddo]

I've seen just as many white "ghettos" as I have black ones. It is simply an economically depressed area and you can find those anywhere. Being black I find that I am still capable of acknowledging that there are some areas of my city in desperate need of a blight task force and some well placed public education funds. Glossing over a problem because we are afraid of the connotation it may have will do nothing to solve it.

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I've been reading and responding to your posts, vdogg, for upwards of 6 months and never realized that you were black. It's somewhat of a nonissue, but nonetheless something I didn't know before.

And to what CTman said about the image of New England as a non-mixed area ethnically, I'm not sure I agree that it has such an image. Particularly Boston and Providence are large mixing bowls of diversity because the Northeast (and those two cities in particular) is such a hub of higher education. People from all places come together in such environments.

[hood]

I do care to try and explain myself. Every city is differant thus making it a case by case situations on all city matters whether it be what a city's "ghetto burbs" to what the main line of business is in a city but all I mean was in the situation of the city of Hartford, a large percentage of african americans or latino americans typically defines the ghetto burb if you will.

I am fully aware of the fact that white flight/suburban flight is very common among cities in the United States. In New England and many other cities in the northeast the cities have retained a large percentage of there caucasian population while Hartford has not so a ghetto burb of Boston or New Haven or Springfield may not be the equivalant of a ghetto burb of Hartford.

With the stats I was just trying to paint a picture of the city as when many people think of New England they do not typically think of large influxes of lower income (whatever color they may be) or large influxes or minorties which Hartford is.

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Ahh, OK. My idea, and I think many peoples idea, of a ghetto is an urban area with low income and usually delapidated buildings. The key, I think, is "urban" we all know that rural areas are as poor or poorer than urban ones, but rural areas don't carry the same perceptions of crime, right or not.

Also, in my hometown of Lansing, much of the Northend of the city (north of the Grand and Red Cedar rivers.) is an interracial "ghetto" the races are largely mixed, almost evenly between White, Black and Hispanic. These area's also have moderatly high to high crime, nothing like that found in the very rough ghetto's but it's still not a real nice area. Another interesting thing in Lansing is that much of the Southwest side of the city is between 25 and 50 percent black and the neighborhoods are still middle to lower middle income and only moderate to low crime, and have relatively high housing values.

[colin]

A socioeconomically depressed area.  Has no ethnic connotation to me personally.

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Agreed. There are just as much Hispanic ghettos (barrios) as there are black ghettos. White ghettos definitely exist (trailer parks, usually), but are almost always on the outer fringes of the city, past what would be considered suburb.

In the Tucson area, they have the term "wildcat subdivision" (less to do with the Arizona mascot and more with the nature of wildcats) which basically means a plot of land which was subdivided for residential development without the guarantee of utilities and services and out of compliance with local codes. They're mostly on the west side of town.

[ctman987]

And to what CTman said about the image of New England as a non-mixed area ethnically, I'm not sure I agree that it has such an image.  Particularly Boston and Providence are large mixing bowls of diversity because the Northeast (and those two cities in particular) is such a hub of higher education.  People from all places come together in such environments.

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Major cities are places with lots of diversity so Boston is no differant. And it is true there are colleges in Boston, Providence and lets not forget even in New Haven (Yale, Gateway Community College, Southern CT State University, Albertus Magnus, Quinnipiac-Hamden, CT), Springfield/Northampton/Amherst (Smith, Amherst, UMASS, Hampshire, American International College, Western New England), Hartford/West Hartford (UHART, St. Josephs College, Trinity, Capital Community College, UCONN School of Business, UCONN School of Law) and Middletown which is home to Wesleyan the most diverse institute of higher education in the contry but nevertheless the media may portray CT as being Fairfield County and Mass being the Berkshires and Boston which they are but there is also so much more because many areas of CT are not like Fairfield County for example.

Ahh, OK. My idea, and I think many peoples idea, of a ghetto is an urban area with low income and usually delapidated buildings. The key, I think, is "urban" we all know that rural areas are as poor or poorer than urban ones, but rural areas don't carry the same perceptions of crime, right or not.

Also, in my hometown of Lansing, much of the Northend of the city (north of the Grand and Red Cedar rivers.) is an interracial "ghetto" the races are largely mixed, almost evenly between White, Black and Hispanic. These area's also have moderatly high to high crime, nothing like that found in the very rough ghetto's but it's still not a real nice area. Another interesting thing in Lansing is that much of the Southwest side of the city is between 25 and 50 percent black and the neighborhoods are still middle to lower middle income and only moderate to low crime, and have relatively high housing values.

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But see as I said in my previous post, each city is a case by case basis so as you say in Lansing the "ghetto" areas are mixed racially and culturally. See in other cities this is not the case, for example in the city of Hartford a majority of the Hartfords black and hispanic residents can be found in certain neighborhoods while whites can typically be found in another neighborhood.

[fivedayrental]

education in the contry but nevertheless the media may portray CT as being Fairfield County and Mass being the Berkshires and Boston which they are but there is also so much more because many areas of CT are not like Fairfield County for example.

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Fairfield county is pretty diverse in some parts. There is a large number of residents in danbury from south and latin America (particullary Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico) as well as a sizable Portugesse and Lebonesse population. There are a lot of other minorites to in the city. I went through the danbury public school system that gets a bad reputation in comparsision to the rest of FField county (expect maybe for bridgeport) but it does a good job preparing people for universities and colleges for those that have been in the system their entire lives. Other towns in the county such as ridgefield, redding, weston and wilton give the county the reputation of being nothing but rich, white towns and for the most part of what i've seen in the towns and stores is that. This a fair number of Asian residents in the county.

[ctman987]

Yes Fairfield County is diverse but 1) These images do not get portrayed by the media and 2) they (Fairfield County) are no where near as diverse as some of the other CT counties. True there is Bridgeport and Danbury (which I do not see as a bad place or nowhere near a bad place but when you compare it to Greenwich its not AS nice. Hartford County is home to a large percentage of Hispanics and Blacks, Tolland and Windham County (Willimantic, Windham, Danielson) are home to a large amount of Hispanic and Blacks, New London County is home to a large percentage of Chinese (Norwich area especially) and dozens of other immigrant groups who are employed at the casinos. New Haven County and Middlesex County are also home to Hispanics, Blacks and many other immigrant groups (not as much as Hartford County) but still.

Of course all this diversity is great but who knows what kind of economic state the state of CT would be in without Fairfield County

[Mikejesmike]

In Cleveland the most well known and notorious ghetto suburb is East Cleveland,with Warrensville Hts coming in a close 2nd. East Cleveland has nothing in common with the other suburbs in the county,and everything in common with Cleveland-about the same crime rate,maybe higher,Cleveland and East Cleveland students routinely rank at the bottom compared to other cities in the county. It used to be a nice suburb,even maybe a rich persons suburb.

[daniel18]

North Miami, Hialeah, North Miami Beach.

[Choirboy622]

In the Milwaukee metro area, Racine is a ghetto suburb.

[hudkina]

Racine isn't a suburb...

[Ted80]

Atlanta's is Riverdale, gang violence is skyrocketing.

[silentbobbio]

louisville, ky has 2

shively

newburg

[Newnan]

Couldn't you toss in Fairburn, Jonesboro, Forest Park, Riverdale, and the like?

Fairburn is really cleaning up its act. The part of the city along Highway 74 to peachtree city is getting pretty upscale

[Dan]

South Providence being within city limits, I really don't think there's a true ghetto in RI. Downtown Pawtucket and the Woodlawn neighborhood is getting better every day. Central Falls?

What are we trying to accomplish with this thread anyway?

[Recchia]

What are we trying to accomplish with this thread anyway?

Who knows

"Ghetto" is such a stupid term anyway. Just another way for ignorant people to label things they know nothing about.

[Jerseyman4]

Irvington is probably the most ghetto suburb in NJ which is located just west of Newark. Thats the only place id be scared if i broke down on the parkway roughly between I-78 and I-280.

[Recchia]

Irvington is probably the most ghetto suburb in NJ which is located just west of Newark. Thats the only place id be scared if i broke down on the parkway roughly between I-78 and I-280.

A place like Irvington is hardly a suburb though, it's more like a neighborhood that happens to be outside the city limits of Newark.