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The Sanford SunRail station is one of the bigger disappointments. There are some really great little downtowns in the metro area that aren't connected well to transit. It's a missed opportunity. 

Winter Garden being another one (though obviously not a candidate for the north-south SunRail corridor).

 

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One would hope the delay in funding for Deland would allow them to figure a way to get the train into town but I think the development opportunities are more important to the cities 

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On 11/1/2016 at 4:58 PM, billy said:

My wife and I use it all the time. We live in Lake Mary and she commutes to the Taft area every day. We bought a train car and keep it down at the sand lake station for her to get to the last few miles to work. We also use it a lot to get to the airport. Lynx has a nice direct line right to the airport from the station. A nice beginning and cant wait for future expansions. 

I've considered the train car idea, but downtown isn't far enough to make it worth it.  The drive from work --> Sand Lake --> Church Street is still about 25-30 minutes, and even most bad days on 4 aren't that bad from Kirkman to South.

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Yea Andy, Lake Mary to S Orlando is definitely the perfect situation for a train car LOL. I-4 is terrible out of Seminole county, it's even starting to back up during non rush hours now. Even the 417 route is getting bad. The train expansion should be nice for folks in Kissimmee and poinciana heading to downtown. The farther away people live the better of an option it seems. I have noticed now a ton of new apartments being built right around the lines.

1 hour ago, AndyPok1 said:

I've considered the train car idea, but downtown isn't far enough to make it worth it.  The drive from work --> Sand Lake --> Church Street is still about 25-30 minutes, and even most bad days on 4 aren't that bad from Kirkman to South.

 

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I'm a little sad that this far in we haven't heard a peep about expansion beyond the N/S corridor and the piece to the airport.  Specifically, that we haven't even heard about planning in that regard.

The Orange Blossom piece & the TRAIN OF THE FUTURE maglev weren't even part of the SunRail package, but more like that sort of thing. 

 

Wish list for further phases:

  • SunRail connecting UCF campuses - Downtown/East Orlando/Lake Nona  (the current generation of college students is the most open to this sort of travel that we've seen in 50+ years)
  • Spurs connecting some established areas to the line (Poinciana proper, Conway, Winter Garden, downtown Sanford, I-Drive, the ever-volatile talk about the theme parks)
  • Daytona/Daytona Beach, I know they have to wait until the DeLand/DeBary connection happens (if/when) but this would be a major triumph.  Can you imagine being down on the South end of Orlando and taking a train to the speedway????
  • Eventually connecting to a Tampa system with transfer service.

 

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34 minutes ago, Jernigan said:

Green bike lanes coming for a mile on Rosalind through CBD

These will be useless unless OPD becomes very active at citing drivers for violating it. Otherwise they will be death traps. Drivers need a mental adjustment.

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I disagree.  Green bike lanes are very helpful in that they increase awareness of the cyclists.  Obviously, separated bike lanes would be better, but painting them green is a start.  What is needed even more is bike lanes down Orange going south, though.  

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Perhaps 'useless' was too strong of a word. But Rosalind is like a NASCAR race most of the time and there are a huge number of intersections. Drivers will need more than paint to treat them with the respect they require.

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I have ridden it many times.  The speed of cars is not really an issue.  The number of intersections are.  Having a green lane that extends across the intersections can alert drivers to look out for cyclists when they are turning.  I have had more problems with pedestrians and parked cars on that stretch than the actual moving traffic. Getting doored by one of the parallel parked cars or some oblivious person, texter, drunk, or nutjob stepping into the lane are the biggest problems around there.

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35 minutes ago, dcluley98 said:

I have ridden it many times.  The speed of cars is not really an issue.  The number of intersections are.  Having a green lane that extends across the intersections can alert drivers to look out for cyclists when they are turning.  I have had more problems with pedestrians and parked cars on that stretch than the actual moving traffic. Getting doored by one of the parallel parked cars or some oblivious person, texter, drunk, or nutjob stepping into the lane are the biggest problems around there.

Good point, I hadn't considered the parking spots along Rosalind. That would be stressful.

Either way, glad to see the city actually taking steps to making the city navigable by people not in cars. This all helps to make downtown better.

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I hope they make the bike lanes a little wider, too. Especially along the southern stretch they're pretty slim. 

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If you aren't too timid to look out for your safety, you'll move into the right travel lane when there are parked cars.   The law allows you to leave the bike lane if there are safety hazards.   A door swinging open is more of a potential hazard than debris.   

 

Of course youll still probably get pulled over by an OPD bike officer illegally riding on the sidewalk 

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I know it is technically safer to take the lane in those situations, but in practice, not so much.  You kinda are just stuck with your head on a swivel in that situation there. Really, they designed the damn thing backwards because they didn't want to do the work or didn't have the money to do it right, which would be the bike lane on the lake side of the parallel parking, separated from the traffic with a curb or barrier and then the parked cars.

Ei:      Roadway - Parking spaces - Curb/barrier - Bike lane - Curb - Sidewalk - Grass.

 

Protected bike lane.jpg

Protected Bike Lane with Driveways.jpg

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Always safer to take the lane - but i wouldn't ever choose it as an expectation over infrastructure.   1% cycling is what we get by relying on taking the lane.

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I know I'm in the minority on here, but I'm easy to please.  We have a bike lane on Rosalind, I use it often.  Let's care more about getting more of them, quality be damned.  Yes, I'd prefer an isolated one, but I'd rather have an unprotected one rather than non at all (eg going to SoDo... I either take back roads through the hospital, or go straight down Division or Orange.  None of which are good solutions.

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I've said it before but the city should just do away with that single car lane on Magnolia/Lymmo route and turn it into a two way bike path. So at least from Livingston to South street you can have an alternative to Orange and Rosalind in Downtown, and won't have to worry about being doored.

As for Downtown south, I'd like to see the Orlando Urban Trail extended as far south as Michigan street, maybe SoDo, but at a minimum reach the Amtrak station and ORMC; probably running alongside the train tracks or running along the future Boone Ave extension, Sylvia Lane, Franklin Lane, and finally Sligh Blvd. It's possible to link all these segments into a continuous street as an alternative to Division and Orange, the biggest obstacle being Thomas Lumber if the owner doesn't want to sell a chunk of the property for new ROW. I believe some of these things were addressed in the Downtown South vision plan, make a more coherent grid in Downtown South to spur more development.

If all the right pieces fell into place (urban trail extension, bridge over Colonial, Lynx Central Station segment, Gertrude's walk, extension of the trail further south), imagine a future where you can take the urban trail from the Loch Haven area, to Downtown, and down to SoDo, it would be a real game changer.

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On 11/3/2016 at 7:51 AM, HankStrong said:

I'm a little sad that this far in we haven't heard a peep about expansion beyond the N/S corridor and the piece to the airport.  Specifically, that we haven't even heard about planning in that regard.

The Orange Blossom piece & the TRAIN OF THE FUTURE maglev weren't even part of the SunRail package, but more like that sort of thing. 

 

Wish list for further phases:

  • SunRail connecting UCF campuses - Downtown/East Orlando/Lake Nona  (the current generation of college students is the most open to this sort of travel that we've seen in 50+ years)
  • Spurs connecting some established areas to the line (Poinciana proper, Conway, Winter Garden, downtown Sanford, I-Drive, the ever-volatile talk about the theme parks)
  • Daytona/Daytona Beach, I know they have to wait until the DeLand/DeBary connection happens (if/when) but this would be a major triumph.  Can you imagine being down on the South end of Orlando and taking a train to the speedway????
  • Eventually connecting to a Tampa system with transfer service.

 

Maglev is dead.   Don't expect a Tampa train until the 2030s.  Spurs through town wont happen due to a lack of continuous line through the area.  Something is in the works though that will make Nona less of an island.  UCF will remain an island.

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Tend to agree.   The OBX line to Apopka is the next low hanging fruit and really needs to happen.   It would provide a commute connection between Orange County's largest and 2nd largest cities.   Pushing further north into Lake County would be nice but by all means get the train to Apopka.

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12 hours ago, codypet said:

Maglev is dead.   Don't expect a Tampa train until the 2030s.  Spurs through town wont happen due to a lack of continuous line through the area.  Something is in the works though that will make Nona less of an island.  UCF will remain an island.

Maglev being dead is why I called it THE TRAIN OF THE FUTURE!!!  That was sarcasm on my part, sorry it didn't convey.

 

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No word on the Orange Blossom Express for a long time now. The good news is that the track along most, if not all, of the proposed OBX route has recently been upgraded/repaired so installing a commuter line won't be as large of an expense. The bad news is that the ridership study returned numbers that didn't look too promising. Either way, this should be the next focus after SunRail phase II and the airport spur are completed.

A true east-west commuter line would probably be the most expensive transportation project ever undertaken in the Central FL region. I'm hoping for a line that at least connects Winter Garden to Downtown Orlando to UCF. The cheapest options for an effective line are Colonial Drive or the 408. For the 408, a line can run in the median. For a route along Colonial, the best option is a partially or entirely elevated line, just like what is done in Miami with Metrorail running along South Dixie Highway, but will be a complicated affair in the Downtown stretch of Colonial where the road narrows to 5 lanes. Just throwing suggestions out there.

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This probably won't change anything tomorrow but Gov. Rick Scott has signed HB299 making Brevard County part of the Central FL Expressway Authority. Slowly but surely their amazing infrastructure is going to become a more integral part of the region.

I'm also guessing that their extra vote will eventually speed up the extension of the East-West (FL408) to I-95.

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