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3 hours ago, Jernigan said:

520 Church construction activity anticipated for February per permit application to use the lots for construction parking.  

The great thing about this is that while 420 Church is 9-stories, 520 Church will be 12-stories.

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6 hours ago, Jernigan said:

Another day another 7-Eleven personal storage facility.   This one is going on Magnolia & Colonial.  3 story with ground floor commercial...

http://www.cityoforlando.net/city-planning/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2018/01/MPBProjectOverview2018-02_MPL2017-10029.pdf

The restaurant with the drive-thru might be a great option for the lost Lake Eola Panera but I doubt the city lets them keep the drive-thru in the plans. 

I know this is mostly a personal storage facility but I do like the nearly 12,000 sq.ft. of retail along Colonial Drive. The parking seems small for any type of big business but this would be a great spot for a late night dining spot, could easily grab the downtown and the Ivanhoe Village crowd. 

While this isn't as fancy as I'd like I think this is a huge improvement over the current site and nicer than many of the other recent additions in that area *cough*Ugly metal building hotel*cough* 

8 hours ago, AndyPok1 said:

Everything around it is 2 stories max, having a 6 story office building there would be super out of character.

I think this will be a nice stairstep from the arena and Ultimate I-4. I think we've been overlooking how the new I-4/408 ramps will add some unique visuals and height to that area. 

I hope that the history center across the street gets more love and becomes a more active facility now that the area is getting more foot traffic. 

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Not only is it next to a massive garage, it is catty-corner one of the largest arenas in the state.  I'm not thinking a 6-story building is INSANE there.

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10 hours ago, orange87 said:

The great thing about this is that while 420 Church is 9-stories, 520 Church will be 12-stories.

I wonder if it will actually happen this time. It was supposed to begin LAST, LAST December. 420 seems pretty much full and when anyone moves out, it looks like someone moves right back in. It's my favorite area of Downtown and one of the main reasons I am staying there. I think 520 would really "complete" the area. Fingers crossed. 

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I still think that 520 could be designed to occupy less foot print and break up into several taller buildings.

On the other note..

Valencia seeks $2.3M in funding for training center near UCF Downtown

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2018/01/04/valencia-seeks-2-3m-in-funding-for-training-center.html

 

Valencia is looking for exsiting 9000 to 12000 sq ft building.

 

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15 hours ago, klstorey said:

I think this will be a nice stairstep from the arena and Ultimate I-4. I think we've been overlooking how the new I-4/408 ramps will add some unique visuals and height to that area. 

I hope that the history center across the street gets more love and becomes a more active facility now that the area is getting more foot traffic. 

Not gonna lie, when I logged on and saw 3 new notifications, I was like whoa, what'd I saw that was so controversial having forgot that comment ha.

Yeah, I thought about the new 408 ramps making it a better visual, but eh, I largely just see Amway and Geico Garage as an island to their own.  Some things I can envision easily, others I can't.  This is the latter.

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Nope.   Going to a soccer stadium for a farmers market ranks up there next to "cute urban bookstore" on the list of things I want us to have but would never frequent.

I don't see it lasting in its current form.   It looks way to forced.   Hopefully some good comes out of it - fleet farmings involvement is encouraging.

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1 hour ago, Jernigan said:

Nope.   Going to a soccer stadium for a farmers market ranks up there next to "cute urban bookstore" on the list of things I want us to have but would never frequent.

I don't see it lasting in its current form.   It looks way to forced.   Hopefully some good comes out of it - fleet farmings involvement is encouraging.

From the news reports I've seen about it, I think that the intended purpose of this particular farmer's market is to serve the poor and needy residents of Parramore who don't have adequate means of transportation to get to regular grocery stores.

Not sure if they're really looking toward the hip, trendy, young, white, urban millennial smartphone crowd to keep them in business.

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On 1/4/2018 at 6:31 PM, Jernigan said:

520 Church construction activity anticipated for February per permit application to use the lots for construction parking.  

I can't find any information about this permit.  Do you have any other details?  Thanks.

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14 minutes ago, orlandoguy said:

That IS interesting. The design of that building would be perfect for something like that, so I would hope they don't alter the exterior too much.

BTW, where did the COC move to? I had no idea they weren't in there anymore.

Edit: I see they moved into a highrise on East Pine St.

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I agree, very interesting. The more museums downtown the better!  I don't know if I would pay to go to that, but I think others might, and I would definitely check it out if they had a free day for residents as they said in the article. The main goal for museums like this is for cultural development and awareness, and I am sure there are several wealthy philanthropists who want to advance this cause that can make our downtown museum landscape greater for the long term. 

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The current building is 7,569 (nice) sq. ft., with an additional 20,000 sq. ft. that would make this Holocaust museum just a tad larger than the one in St. Pete (which is 27,000 sq. ft.) and one of the largest in the country. 

I'm very curious how they're going to make the addition work. My quick thought would be to use the current parking lot as the expansion area. One or two stories there would still allow the current building to tower over it and look nice and could provide a great rooftop that would be ideal for special events or a sculpture garden. 

I'd love to see the Ivanhoe Building mold removal finished around the same time as this opens. The Ivanhoe Bldg is perfect for a nice food hall and East End Market style retail mall. Together these two could really make North Quarter/NODO/Uptown really come alive. Too bad the beautiful WDBO building is gone but hopefully, this spurs some development of that site.  Ideally, that long forgotten proposal for a pedestrian bridge along the eastern side of I-4 across Lake Ivanhoe also finally gets greenlit, giving this area a nice walking loop. I'm still a little miffed that the pedestrian bridge wasn't included in the I-4 Ultimate work. It should have all been done at once. 

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I had no idea that was a proposal once upon a time, very cool.

With that said, I see why it wasn't included as part of Ultimate.  The two bridges that are being done as part of it (plus the OUT that's occuring at the same time but not funded by Ultimate) are being added to increase safety / decrease pedestrian crossings of major roads, both of which increase traffic flow.  This one doesn't really do either, but doesn't mean that it wouldn't be AWESOME if the city found a way to fund it.  (Although as part of the trails discussion, I think the gap connecting Little Econ and Cady Way is 1000x more important).

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12 minutes ago, AndyPok1 said:

I had no idea that was a proposal once upon a time, very cool.

With that said, I see why it wasn't included as part of Ultimate.  The two bridges that are being done as part of it (plus the OUT that's occuring at the same time but not funded by Ultimate) are being added to increase safety / decrease pedestrian crossings of major roads, both of which increase traffic flow.  This one doesn't really do either, but doesn't mean that it wouldn't be AWESOME if the city found a way to fund it.  (Although as part of the trails discussion, I think the gap connecting Little Econ and Cady Way is 1000x more important).

Very true. I meant more that I wish both projects could've been designed and done at the same time so that it had less impact on the lake and surrounding area.  I agree that the other links are more important but I feel like Lake Ivanhoe needs to be better connected and updated so that it can take some of the pressure off of Lake Eola. Even moving a few events to Lake Ivanhoe would help Eola, which seems to always be under a state of setting up or breaking down from an event. It's a beautiful park but it's totally being overused IMO. I hope that the new Holocaust Center spurs on more events in that area. 

Another random thought, many Holocaust Centers focus not only on that event but human rights as a whole. I think the argument that the Pulse shooting was a hate crime against a specific group of people is very strong. Could it be possible to combine these two centers? I know they have very different demographics but it might be interesting to see what that would look like. The more I think about the permanent off-site Pulse memorial the more I think it needs to tell a bigger story of equality, LGBTQ/human rights, and how Pulse plays a part in that. If not combined with the Holocaust museum it might be good to have the Pulse museum nearby, possibly on the old WDBO site or the old Evans Group building. My ideal location for the off-site Pulse museum is the fire station/empty lot nearby. That station looks like its in need of an update anyways. Or the empty lot in front of the DPPAC. That site is very special and makes sense for it if it is going to be off-site. 

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There was a proposal and the city actually was ready to build a path around the entire Lake Ivanhoe for public jogging trail. Guess who killed it?

 

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2 minutes ago, sunshine said:

There was a proposal and the city actually was ready to build a path around the entire Lake Ivanhoe for public jogging trail. Guess who killed it?

 

The NIMBYs (especially along the west shore) also killed plans for a fountain. It was to be the "Northern Gateway."

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7 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

The NIMBYs (especially along the west shore) also killed plans for a fountain. It was to be the "Northern Gateway."

I run around Lake Ivanhoe several times a week.  There are a couple gaps without sidewalks - going under I4 on the south side you have to cross Lakeview St  and back to get back under I4 on the northern side you have to get on New Hampshire Dr .  They have build new sidewalks all along the north/western portion of the lake nearly completing the loop of the two larger lobes. I single, unified path would be better, but there's plenty of runners circling it daily.

I was under the impression they were putting a fountain in as part of the Ultimate? It's fine I guess, but seems odd for a ski lake with a public boat ramp and separate paddle board access... 

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FDOT may finally have just blown away the opposition with their plans as it's such a large undertaking. This goes back to much back and forth to try and develop a park-like setting all the way around during Mayor Bill's administration. Ironically, this is HIS neighborhood, which made the protests at the time all the more comical. Hopefully, it will all work out although the scale of some of the I4 Ultimate additions is sometimes  overwhelming.

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On 1/4/2018 at 6:18 PM, Jernigan said:

Another day another 7-Eleven personal storage facility.   This one is going on Magnolia & Colonial.  3 story with ground floor commercial...

http://www.cityoforlando.net/city-planning/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2018/01/MPBProjectOverview2018-02_MPL2017-10029.pdf

Renderings included in ARB report: http://www.cityoforlando.net/city-planning/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2018/01/ARB2017-10020report.pdf

 

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Kind of odd given the lot has a retaining wall with about 5 feet of fill from street level currently.  That's a heck of a lot of dirt to cut. That building looks pretty bad too. I agree with all the architectural comments, and the east and south sides are exceptionally bad. (B&W photos below).  I like the corner oriented element, but the rest of it leaves a lot to be desired. ARB2017-10020report_Page_1.thumb.jpg.01039bd265fad5aeb7642291b6ef0ba5.jpgARB2017-10020report_Page_2.thumb.jpg.814e7ed8adb245ce38cefb655b0046b5.jpgARB2017-10020report_Page_3.thumb.jpg.516eaeb948c5754704c30e3c7d44fc2b.jpg

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I hate that we'll be losing the old women's shelter building. 

Probably gonna take out a few trees along the curb, too.

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For a prominent corner, I wish this storage center was at least 4 stories, up  to 8 or 9 would have been great to match the heights of the nearby Sevens and Residence Inn. Oh well, at least it beats what's currently there despite looking kind of bland.

The east elevation is not too horrible as the edge of the building appears to be about 31 feet away from property line - or basically the western wall of the neighboring building.  It largely won't be seen but it could use some sprucing up. Would be better if the building was extended just a bit to the east to reduce that alley/drive thru access down to 20 feet (fire department minimum clear width?), to reduce the gap between the buildings.

The Hillcrest south elevation is just awful and inexcusable, it's facing the street and looks like the back part of the building nobody's really supposed to see. It's jarring to have this contrast with that beautiful house and office building on the other side of the street.

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