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My friend grabbed some shots of downtown while flying into ORL. This one really shows how the I-4/408 interchange is coming along.  Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

I think Lake Eola Park is one of the best urban parks in the country.  Today.  Haven't been to Orlando in 10 years or more and there is a lot more life downtown and around this park.  Great to see an

That was in the latest ARB report as well: http://www.cityoforlando.net/city-planning/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2018/03/ARB2017-10009reportMarch2018.pdf Here is the new rendering:  A

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I like the new location b/c it's closer to the CBD. It was previously planned as "twin towers" so it will be interesting to see the change to a single tower. Maybe it will be taller? Just for comparison, here's the old MPB & renderings:

This is good news as it means that the historic WDBO building still has time to be saved. If you haven't joined the Facebook group to help save this building make sure to do so and keep contacting the city to save this building.

As far as the new World Trade Center site, I love the site and the proposal for a 30 story building. I'm just going to keep my excitement a bit reserved until we know for certain that the project will actually happen. It's good news that the Diocese is selling that property, it is one of the final pieces along Orange Ave for in-fill.

Now with WTC, Skyhouse and Central Station maybe this will make +1 wake up and get in on the action or the One East Robinson building directly across from WTC to be revived.

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Here is a rendering I did of the Skyhouse, World Trade Center Orlando, Rida Development (Grand Central) and the Dr Phillips Performance Arts Center. I am updating it, please let me know what I missed. I cannot fit the Colonial area on the map.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php/gallery/image/3021-rendering/

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So looking at the height of other buildings and what not, I've come to the conclusion this building will (Depending on the exact scale( be a 400 ft. er. Thats great. Won't be a new tallest Unless it's super skinny or slim but thats a pretty wide lot to build on in the sense the same or a tad bit smaller than the Bank of America Center. Which if you take the staircase look away from Bank of America Center, and put everything into a skinny form, the building would be much taller. So We shall see. Either way from my calculations nothing less than 375 ft. Thats great news for this area.

It sucks cause you won't be able to see Sky House that much from I-4.

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To me, the Orange/Robinson parking lot has always been one of the most irritating corners in downtown. It's such a gaping hole in Orange Ave's streetscape. I feel like it represents the no man's land between the vibrant downtown district and the emerging Uptown district. If this project manages to give us some height, and some retail along Orange/Robinson, it'll be a success. More importantly, it'll represent a true emergence of investment along the corridor which has not seen significant development since the BoA tower (I hesitate to consider the Courthouse, as it is public development despite there being some positive revenue return for local businesses).

I also think this development will be psychologically important to pedestrians, especially those who choose SunRail as a transportation alternative and will presumably walk to the CBD. There needs to be a continuous, unbroken street wall from Anderson to Colonial. The elimination of parking lots is key.

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Looking at the old Metroplan for these buildings, they were suppose to be two

29 story and 362 ft tall with 469,969 sq ft. (combined).

So if were talking about 1 single 30 story building with 450,000 sq ft to 500,00 sq ft. This either might be a new tallest or very well close to it. SunTrust Orlando is 441 ft with 654,678 sq ft of space. and only 35 stories.

World Trade Building(s)

Old World Trade Center - Two 29 story 362 ft tall 469,969 Sq ft.buildings.

New World Trade Center - 30 stories (height unknown) 450,000 - 500,000 sq ft.building.

Comparable Buildings

SunTrust Orlando - 35 Stories 441 ft. 654,678 sq ft

Park Tower Tampa - 36 Stories 460 ft.

Rivergate Tower Tampa - 31 Stories 454 ft. 515,965 sq ft

110 Tower Ft. Lauderdale - 30 Stories 410 ft. <------ My guess! :yahoo:

Sabadell Financial Center Miami - 31 Stories 430 ft.

Courthouse Center Miami - 30 Stories 405 ft.

I looked throw a cycle of buildings in Florida and this one gives me an idea of the height we can expect with the new World Trade Center. Again nobody knows how they are going to build it. Whether it be slim or wide we can expect to see between 375ft to 430 ft. (My honest guess)

I could be wrong though.

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Here's a project I would really like to see have, um, "legs." It probably is no-go during the remainder of Gov. Voldemort's Reign of Terror, but this would be helpful in so many ways: recreation, health, tourism, even commuting.

Bicycle lovers push for 250-mile loop linking Central Florida trails

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-16/news/os-central-florida-trails-loop-20120618_1_spring-to-spring-seminole-wekiva-trails-foundation

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I don't want to be the Negative Nelly on this, and I agree totally with praha that this site screams for development. I, do, however, like to look at the track record of any group that takes on something as complex as a Class A tower.

Some things to keep in mind:

The principal, Byron Sutton, seems to be most notable for his carrer in the military, not what he's done since.

The organization is not a developer, just a non-profit "trade association"

If you go to their website, there is precious little information about exactly what they do and the info on the proposed building still shows the Ivanhoe site.

These folks have been singing this song since, um, 1990, and not a shovelful of dirt turned yet. Also, it's fascinating that during all these years, other than periodic announcements about a new tower, we hear virtually nothing about these folks in the local community. I ask myself, why is that? Also, the Diocese's silence is interesting. If I recall correctly, they were somewhat more forthcoming on the post office project. Given this will have quite an effect on parking for the Cathedral, if this is so close to moving ahead, I'd expect soothing words for the parishioners (as a longtime member of a downtown church, I know there is nothing more scary than little old church ladies worried about where they'll park for Sunday services).

Given that less than half of all projects announced ever see the light of day, I'm voting "NO GO" on this one. If I'm wrong, I have my Panama hat ready for marinating for a meal. Meanwhile, I think other projects are much more likely.

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I don't want to be the Negative Nelly on this, and I agree totally with praha that this site screams for development. I, do, however, like to look at the track record of any group that takes on something as complex as a Class A tower.

Some things to keep in mind:

The principal, Byron Sutton, seems to be most notable for his carrer in the military, not what he's done since.

The organization is not a developer, just a non-profit "trade association"

If you go to their website, there is precious little information about exactly what they do and the info on the proposed building still shows the Ivanhoe site.

These folks have been singing this song since, um, 1990, and not a shovelful of dirt turned yet. Also, it's fascinating that during all these years, other than periodic announcements about a new tower, we hear virtually nothing about these folks in the local community. I ask myself, why is that? Also, the Diocese's silence is interesting. If I recall correctly, they were somewhat more forthcoming on the post office project. Given this will have quite an effect on parking for the Cathedral, if this is so close to moving ahead, I'd expect soothing words for the parishioners (as a longtime member of a downtown church, I know there is nothing more scary than little old church ladies worried about where they'll park for Sunday services).

Given that less than half of all projects announced ever see the light of day, I'm voting "NO GO" on this one. If I'm wrong, I have my Panama hat ready for marinating for a meal. Meanwhile, I think other projects are much more likely.

You do have a point but look at the Dynetech Centre. They were able to partner with a reputable developer to build a mixed use tower although no one clearly understood what type of business Dynetech was in. Granted they're no longer around but you can't take away the fact that they left behind a sweet building.

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You do have a point but look at the Dynetech Centre. They were able to partner with a reputable developer to build a mixed use tower although no one clearly understood what type of business Dynetech was in. Granted they're no longer around but you can't take away the fact that they left behind a sweet building.

Absolutely, I agree with you. The thing is, the developer should be announcing this as was the case with Dynetech. This reminds me more of God's Skyscraper up in Altamonte and at least we know where what cash flow they had was coming from (the souls in the telegenic pews), even if we're still waiting for full funding to fall from Heaven. When someone with a track record like Lincoln Property steps up (the folks that got Dynetech done), then I'll join the Amen chorus here.

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Maybe if this project gets built, it will provide the needed incentive for the owners of the building on the SW corner of the intersection to do something about this mess....

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A nice sidewalk rescaping would be in order as well.

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Maybe if this project gets built, it will provide the needed incentive for the owners of the building on the SW corner of the intersection to do something about this mess....

2dsn6hi.jpg

A nice sidewalk rescaping would be in order as well.

So true! I was really surprised when they redid the tower that they left the "bomb shelter" at the corner pretty much as it was (I think they did add some narrow slits for windows). The drive-in tellers behind the building are also an eyesore.

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Maybe if this project gets built, it will provide the needed incentive for the owners of the building on the SW corner of the intersection to do something about this mess....

2dsn6hi.jpg

A nice sidewalk rescaping would be in order as well.

This was the first thing that I thought about when I heard about this WT project.

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Useful stuff. See I wasnt around 20 years ago. Well I was only 1. So this is new to me.

Don't worry, Dude - the great thing about being 21 is your enthusiasm - it's done wonders for the boards. On the other hand, old fogies like me can point out roadblocks that you can work around. It's the best possible combination.

There are many factors as to why I don't believe downtown will go significantly vertical for many, many years.

Why not? In my opinion, there are a few major things missing right now that would cause us to go for significant vertical:

(1) We don't have anyone locally itching to build a trophy building downtown. We basically had two Fortune 500 companies: Darden and Hughes Supply. Darden chose to build a new suburban campus and the Hughes family sold Hughes Supply to Home Depot (which turned around and spun it off). The resulting company, HD Supply, still has a presence in Parramore but the corporate HQ is in Atlanta now.

(2) Downtown has too much relatively cheap space available. There is nothing preventing anyone from going to midtown or even Parramore based on current politics. If land cost isn't prohibitive and you don't have natural barriers (think most northeastern cities or, for that matter, even Miami and Tampa - Miami is hemmed in by water on the east and the Everglades on the west; Tampa is hemmed in by water and a much larger highway footprint than we are. Ironically, as we do everything possible to reduce the "psychic barrier" of crossing under I4, we're probably making tall buildings less likely. Mayor Bill was able to restrict height around Eola because of a critical mass of neighborhood activists - those mostly don't exist in midtown and Parramore (in fact, much of Parramore's powers that be have been involved in development schemes).

(3) No one in government is currently itching to build new space for government. Both City Hall and the Orange County Courthouse were planned with ample space for growth. Orange County Government could stand to consolidate with a new building, but does anyone see Teresa Jacobs believing a tall new tower fits her "brand?" As she said at the State of the County last week, "We're cheap and proud of it!"

There are more that I've noted before, so I won't belabor the point. The neat part is that, like Old Paris or DuPont Circle in DC, we have a great low-rise downtown that people are attracted to. I believe that we keep investing in the infrastructure like transportation, RETAIL!, education and the arts, and height will be welcome when it eventually occurs.

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Don't worry, Dude - the great thing about being 21 is your enthusiasm - it's done wonders for the boards. On the other hand, old fogies like me can point out roadblocks that you can work around. It's the best possible combination.

There are many factors as to why I don't believe downtown will go significantly vertical for many, many years.

Why not? In my opinion, there are a few major things missing right now that would cause us to go for significant vertical:

(1) We don't have anyone locally itching to build a trophy building downtown. We basically had two Fortune 500 companies: Darden and Hughes Supply. Darden chose to build a new suburban campus and the Hughes family sold Hughes Supply to Home Depot (which turned around and spun it off). The resulting company, HD Supply, still has a presence in Parramore but the corporate HQ is in Atlanta now.

(2) Downtown has too much relatively cheap space available. There is nothing preventing anyone from going to midtown or even Parramore based on current politics. If land cost isn't prohibitive and you don't have natural barriers (think most northeastern cities or, for that matter, even Miami and Tampa - Miami is hemmed in by water on the east and the Everglades on the west; Tampa is hemmed in by water and a much larger highway footprint than we are. Ironically, as we do everything possible to reduce the "psychic barrier" of crossing under I4, we're probably making tall buildings less likely. Mayor Bill was able to restrict height around Eola because of a critical mass of neighborhood activists - those mostly don't exist in midtown and Parramore (in fact, much of Parramore's powers that be have been involved in development schemes).

(3) No one in government is currently itching to build new space for government. Both City Hall and the Orange County Courthouse were planned with ample space for growth. Orange County Government could stand to consolidate with a new building, but does anyone see Teresa Jacobs believing a tall new tower fits her "brand?" As she said at the State of the County last week, "We're cheap and proud of it!"

There are more that I've noted before, so I won't belabor the point. The neat part is that, like Old Paris or DuPont Circle in DC, we have a great low-rise downtown that people are attracted to. I believe that we keep investing in the infrastructure like transportation, RETAIL!, education and the arts, and height will be welcome when it eventually occurs.

Thanks man. truth is I've been browsing these forums before I was allowed to sign up. Watching City Council meetings, and everything.

I understand all of your points. I always loved downtown Orlando, but always wondered why it staggered. As I've become more interested in research I've learned why HIGH Rises come and go in waves seems like.

I'll make a bold point and say I think the Market is right, only for a well put plan though. As far as business towers. Not everybody wants low-mid rise space, for the sake of trying to have as many people on one property as possible for expansions and what not and now some companies require certain technologies you can implement in old buildings. But people look for cheap ways, thing is our leaders do nothing to try and improve this.

The county could use a new building similar to the courthouse to eliminate the sub-locations taking up precious space and that nasty county building downtown near Lake Eola.

I guess for me I'm all about utilizing space. That was my entire complaint about Steel House taking up that entire parcel instead of being vertical.

Heres my take on what I think might happen with downtown or just other events.

HIGHLY LIKELY: FEC RAIL, OBX, Sky House, Rida, Lymmo Expansions, DPAC, SunRail

LIKELY: Magic Mixed-Use Complex, World Trade Center

UNLIKELY: Creative Village

I have to agree with your post. Looking at Rida and the low development there. So I see what you mean.

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I didnt copy and paste an article. I typed word for word what I read. I don't have the pay subscription but I do get to read the pay articles for free in my phone via mobile version so to the moderator who deleted my post, yeah. smh. :angry:

Since they did that I'll basically re-sum up what the thing was for posters who didn't see it.

The guy for Orlando World Trade basically says he has tenants in place. The height is unknown and they are purchasing that lot from Diorce Of Orlando (probably spelled wrong). They will go before the city council next month to get approval on the project.

Also, Sky House Orlando is supposed to be voted by the city council today expecting approval.

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