Carolina Panthers

[InSouthPark]

1 hour ago, sclark said:

Not sure if there are any Panthers fans left, but man I'm excited about the future of this team... A+ coaching staff (it seems), 1st draft pick, solid OL, top-10ish defense... LFG Panthers! 

Just have to get this first pick right and we could be on the way to the playoffs in 2024.  This season will be rough with a rookie QB (although I think Stroud could be decent in year one), new systems, and it appears very inexperienced WR's, but I think we will see flashes of what the future will hold. We have the right coaches to build a winner. Now we just have to make sure we have the players that can be taught to be winners.  Not a lot of players with experience playing in a winning culture.  Our captains have little to no experience in/winning playoffs (minus Shaq when he filled in during the 59/58 playoff days in 2015).  

Definitely exciting though. 

[DownEast]

4 hours ago, sclark said:

Not sure if there are any Panthers fans left, but man I'm excited about the future of this team... A+ coaching staff (it seems), 1st draft pick, solid OL, top-10ish defense... LFG Panthers! 

I'm super excited. I'm def in on Stroud with our pick. Dalton will be an excellent mentor to our young QB. The coaching staff is solid, star-studded, with proven winners. Reich and crew are offensive minds that def skew to QBs and QB development.  We finally have our first TE with hands since Olsen left. Von Bell is a leader of men and will have our young secondary believing they are an elite unit. Chinn moves back to LB with Shaq and Frankie. Now for some WRs and addition depth and this team certainly contends for the postseason. New Orleans, if they remain healthy, are def the team to beat. Also, I'm on a few Panthers groups on FB, and the amount of fans that bemoan every move the team makes is beyond depressing. Poor fans. Poor FB IQ.

[eastsider]

Its all well and good, but if the Panthers were so keen on the number 1 pick then they should have just let Rhule finish out the season.

[sclark]

On 3/18/2023 at 3:59 PM, eastsider said:

Its all well and good, but if the Panthers were so keen on the number 1 pick then they should have just let Rhule finish out the season.

I think Tepper was too pissed off to let Rhule continue his reign. 

[kermit]

IMO Muggsy wins the Charlotte internet today:

 

As a UGA guy I kinda hate Young, but he always impressed me every game I watched him play.

[sclark]

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2023/05/03/carolina-panthers-city-tourism-hospitality-tax.html

Looks like Tepper is making the push for a new stadium... will be interesting to watch it all play out. 

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This post could go in several topics such as Sports in Charlotte and MLB Speculation but I post it here as the proposed (?) 600 million dollar stadium plan has leaked, or at least the figures for same. As mentioned prior, the Oakland/East Bay area has lost two of the three top professional league teams, the Warriors in 2019, the Raiders in 2020 and soon the Athletics in 3-4 years.  This offers a natural experiment to determine if the cost of attracting or keeping a team/teams is an advantage economically to a city and region. Unaccustomed as I am to such research I am limited to the tools I come across with a simple search. I encourage others to offer more detailed data. At this site:

https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/california.htm

One can choose Oakland and also San Francisco to see historic numbers and trends. The recent franchise moves are difficult to separate from the dramatic changes created from Covid-19. I compare the total and also Leisure and Hospitality employment over the past years for the two neighboring reporting regions. The graphs are quite similar with neither region meeting the pre Covid levels but with an upward gradient that appears to lead to recovery in a short time from now. Anyone can see that the comparison is nearly the same for  Total and Leisure employment. 

Here is Contra Costa County (Oakland) GDP over past years:

https://california.reaproject.org/data-tables/gsp-a200n/tools/60013/

2021 showed a near recovery to 2019 and likely surpassing it in 2022. Arts, entertainment, recreation segment is recovering. The nearness of the pandemic makes it more difficult to make decisions, especially year-on-year,  but the trend is to return to prior growth. 

Would 3+ billion public dollars for new facilities increase these GDP and employment numbers in a meaningful way within the time span currently measured or in the future? Would the loss of funding for other purposes necessary to supply such sums to facilities decrease the asset value of the county and region? I think in three to four years we will have an answer to this natural experiment.

 

 

[KJHburg]

well this is scathing towards Mr Tepper

Opinion: Carolina Panthers are a fish rotting from the head down (catcrave.com)

[kermit]

Tepper gonna Tepper (not that I think Frank was going to turn anything around).

Six coaches in 5 years, I wonder if there is anyone left willing to work for Tepper.

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by kermit

[KJHburg]

More and more people are coming to the thinking that the owner Mr Tepper and his wife are the problem.  Too much meddling in the front office and coaching staff.  Hedge funds make big money quickly many times so he seems to be very impatient.   But what do others think and how do you tell the owner to back off? Or can you?   RoaringRiot member care to comment @CLT Development

Edited November 27, 2023 by KJHburg

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Panthers can win the NFC South. Really. We win out and the other three lose out. They beat each other once, round robin style, til the end of the season and lose elsewhere. Not on Harrah sportsbook board at this time.

[nicholas]

Imo, Tepper is showing his true colors.  There were signs before (Rock Hill, Eastland), but I am very concerned that he has put the Panthers in a dangerous situation.  Thinks he knows everything because he made a billion dollars, but unable and unwilling to accept that investment banking is hugely different than sports, and also unable and unwilling to stay in his own lane due to his wealth and ego.  Ever since he has taken over, each season has just sort of drifted past with no apparent goal. "We're just a QB away from the Super Bowl!"  "That isn't working but a different free agent QB will fix everything!"  "He's not working out either so we should tank.  And fire everyone!"  "But we can't tank too much! I hate losing."  "Well we didn't tank enough so we need to sell the farm for another QB in the draft."

With Tabor taking over the rest of the year, we will be on our FOURTH head coach since the beginning of the 2022 season.  No worthy HC candidate will want to go a team with that much turnover.  Especially if the rumors are true and the Teppers overruled Reich's desire for CJ Stroud based on how a dinner conversation went, as there will be the sense that the HC here won't have necessary level of authority in roster decisions.  Not to mention very publicly-scrutinized temper tantrums followed by kneejerk firings.  Obviously, the NFL is fickle and teams go through their highs and lows for a number of reasons, but there's a reason why the better-run organizations gradually come to dominate the league for extended periods of time as the right combination of coaches and players is eventually found, while other teams seemingly can't ever figure it out.  Tepper has been ripped by all sports media over the past 24 hrs and I'm all for it (other than that we're well on our way to becoming the next Jets).

Edited November 29, 2023 by nicholas

[go_vertical]

Tepper has ruined any good will he had when he first came to town.  Like Nicholas said above, he is showing who he really is and fast.  He would be a fool to approach the city with his hands out before he gets the hell out of the way, gets his wife out of the room when decisions are being made, and rights this ship.

[TheMightyBK]

What’s his wife got to do with anything?

[go_vertical]

There have been a lot of talk from sports pundits saying that she is known to poke her head into meetings, give her opinion on what she thinks should happen/be done, and generally acts as if she should be as much a part of the decision making as coaches, coordinators, and the GM.  Obviously I'm not in the room here, but that's the gist of what many people have been saying.

Edit:  After going back and reading my post I felt like the words "a lot" and "many" might not be fair.  SOME of the clips I have watched since the firing have alluded to this.  It may stem from the dinner where the decision to go with Young was made.  A few talking heads have mentioned that Nicole Tepper "really liked" Bryce after that dinner and thus the decision was made.  I couldn't help but feel like what was being hinted was that she like, like-liked him if you know what I mean.  She is half David's age and ever since they were married the term gold digger has come up many times.

Edited November 29, 2023 by go_vertical
Added a little more context

[eastsider]

7 hours ago, go_vertical said:

There have been a lot of talk from sports pundits saying that she is known to poke her head into meetings, give her opinion on what she thinks should happen/be done, and generally acts as if she should be as much a part of the decision making as coaches, coordinators, and the GM.  Obviously I'm not in the room here, but that's the gist of what many people have been saying.

Edit:  After going back and reading my post I felt like the words "a lot" and "many" might not be fair.  SOME of the clips I have watched since the firing have alluded to this.  It may stem from the dinner where the decision to go with Young was made.  A few talking heads have mentioned that Nicole Tepper "really liked" Bryce after that dinner and thus the decision was made.  I couldn't help but feel like what was being hinted was that she like, like-liked him if you know what I mean.  She is half David's age and ever since they were married the term gold digger has come up many times.

Also, Tepper and his wife were at practice a few weeks ago to observe the offensive line. She was also on the involved in last years coaching search that ended up hiring Frank Reich.

[J-Rob]

Well, I guess I will save this here:

 

[CLT Development]

22 hours ago, TheMightyBK said:

What’s his wife got to do with anything?

literally everything. this coming from many former employees. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by CLT Development

[15895]

I’m not saying anyone is being sexist. 

But the comments about the wife, especially in professional sports or around powerful people / organizations, etc. I dunno. Sexism  run rampant when talking about billionaires and such. 

I am skeptical of complaints of the wife. At the end of the day, her husband is responsible and if she is problematic, still. David’s a big boy with billions…. If he’s being pushed around by a spouse, that’s a David problem. 

She wouldn’t even be in this position had there not been sexual harassment scandals within the organization (not just one individual) 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by AirNostrumMAD

[SouthEndCLT811]

I think it's her rapid ascent to a C-level position with no information being provided on what makes her qualified to do the job.  Especially since recent departures like Tom Glick or Nick Kelly at TSE had an extensive CV in sports business.  Then layer in the albeit slap on the wrist violation for not doing the training to be credentialed during a coaching search, her involvement in the war room of a draft you can watch on the team show "Blueprint" and then recent appearances at practice "coaching up" the offensive line.  All publicly available examples..  Again if credentials warranted her role I don't think gender or being his wife would matter.  It's just literally the fact no information on her qualifications is out there makes the team look more like a clown show.

[InSouthPark]

The misogyny here is wild!

Wait until she inherits the team when Tepper passes.  LOL.  

 

[15895]

2 hours ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

I think it's her rapid ascent to a C-level position with no information being provided on what makes her qualified to do the job.  Especially since recent departures like Tom Glick or Nick Kelly at TSE had an extensive CV in sports business.  Then layer in the albeit slap on the wrist violation for not doing the training to be credentialed during a coaching search, her involvement in the war room of a draft you can watch on the team show "Blueprint" and then recent appearances at practice "coaching up" the offensive line.  All publicly available examples..  Again if credentials warranted her role I don't think gender or being his wife would matter.  It's just literally the fact no information on her qualifications is out there makes the team look more like a clown show.

The Panthers, as an organization, lost credit with me as an organization when they were sexually abusing women. 
 

All this talk about the wife, I can only think where the complaints were about the sexual harassment? 

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/reflecting-on-the-jerry-richardson-scandal#google_vignette

There’s more but here’s a snippet:
 

"Former employees allege that in addition to verbal harassment, Richardson engaged in improper acts. According to sources, on multiple occasions Richardson requested female employees to visit him during a workday in his suite inside Bank of America Stadium. The women would be escorted by Richardson’s assistant, who would then depart, leaving the owner alone with a junior employee. One former female employee recalls Richardson, who stands 6'3", arriving barefoot and asking for a foot massage. Says one such invitee: 'The first time, you thought it was an important meeting with the owner. You [then] realized it was never anything that couldn’t be discussed over the phone.' Others talk of Richardson giving back rubs that lingered too long or went too low down the spine."

Edited November 30, 2023 by AirNostrumMAD

[CLT Development]

2 hours ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

I think it's her rapid ascent to a C-level position with no information being provided on what makes her qualified to do the job.  Especially since recent departures like Tom Glick or Nick Kelly at TSE had an extensive CV in sports business.  Then layer in the albeit slap on the wrist violation for not doing the training to be credentialed during a coaching search, her involvement in the war room of a draft you can watch on the team show "Blueprint" and then recent appearances at practice "coaching up" the offensive line.  All publicly available examples..  Again if credentials warranted her role I don't think gender or being his wife would matter.  It's just literally the fact no information on her qualifications is out there makes the team look more like a clown show.

Misogyny has nothing to do with it, if this were his son, brother, male partner that was thrust up the ranks with no relevant experience and who pushed out dozens of staffers (male and female) that knew the history, the fanbase, the city... I'd be saying the same thing "literally everything. this coming from many former employees." There's being "misogynistic" and then there's calling out nepotism. Number two is what's happening. 

[15895]

10 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

Misogyny has nothing to do with it, if this were his son, brother, male partner that was thrust up the ranks with no relevant experience and who pushed out dozens of staffers (male and female) that knew the history, the fanbase, the city... I'd be saying the same thing "literally everything. this coming from many former employees." There's being "misogynistic" and then there's calling out nepotism. Number two is what's happening. 

But it’s not a son, brother or male partner. It’s the wife of the owner… 

Who is only the wife of the owner because of a bunch of sex acts brazenly conducted against women regularly. That former employees were well aware of. 

Its attitudes like this that can lead to environments of sexual misconduct. Whether actual misogyny is going on or not, we can only go by recent history…

If it is nepotism and everyone’s just concerned about ethics and there’s 0 misogyny going on, at least people are not being sexually harassed & assaulted anymore. So that’s an improvement at least. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by AirNostrumMAD

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Carroll Rosenbloom, Owner of the Baltimore Colts and the Los Angeles Rams. He married a woman twenty years younger who had been married four times previously and was a part time night club singer in Miami (Florida, man). He was to leave the team to his son but the papers wee never filed and his wife Georgia inherited the team. Wiki has all the details. She did a good job as owner, had another marriage and divorce then another long term relationship.

Like Elizabeth Taylor she was a highly moral woman. If she had sex with someone she had to marry him (I made up this last part)