Metro Orlando Airport News

[jrs2]

So...friend just flew into MCO right by Terminal C.  She shot video. Seriously, at 8pm tonight, 12 of the 14 gates had jets parked there.  How insane.  I will try to extract a still from the video. 

[shardoon]

21 hours ago, jrs2 said:

So...friend just flew into MCO right by Terminal C.  She shot video. Seriously, at 8pm tonight, 12 of the 14 gates had jets parked there.  How insane.  I will try to extract a still from the video. 

Was at the airport at 5am today and you would have thought it was 12 noon. So busy....  it's crazy

[jrs2]

https://www.orlandoairports.net/press/2023/05/24/orlando-international-airport-prepares-for-1-million-travelers-during-memorial-day-travel-period/

...and this was from May 19:

https://www.orlandoairports.net/press/2023/05/19/domestic-traffic-fuels-first-quarter-numbers-at-orlando-international-airport/

Edited May 30, 2023 by jrs2

[shardoon]

Rolling 12 months through April 2023 released. Up to 53,472,305.  Currently about 7 million more compared to April 2022 rolling 12 months. Obviously with flawed 2021 numbers pulling down April of last year rolling 12 months.

However, looking at April 2022 and April 2023, we manage to remove a lot of the Covid drag.   

April 2022 had 4.308 million.  April 2023 had 5.014 million.  That's a 16.39 % increase. If we use those numbers for the year, we can project somewhere in the 58 million passenger range. 

On another topic, we will overtake Miami as the busiest Florida airport again.  Something strange is going on with Miami. They really are not having any change on monthly numbers 2022 compared to 2023. 

Lastly, we are destroying Las Vegas, even with their padded private jet travel numbers. First 4 months of 2023 for Las Vegas was 18.3 million passengers. Compare that with 19.272 million for MCO. 

https://www.yogonet.com/international//news/2023/05/26/67288-las-vegas-airport-sees-visitation-up-128-to-48m-passengers-in-april#:~:text=For the first four months,of the summer vacation season.

https://orlandoairports.net/about-us/#traffic-statistics

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Edited May 31, 2023 by shardoon

[jrs2]

On 5/31/2023 at 11:13 AM, shardoon said:

Rolling 12 months through April 2023 released. Up to 53,472,305.  Currently about 7 million more compared to April 2022 rolling 12 months. Obviously with flawed 2021 numbers pulling down April of last year rolling 12 months.

However, looking at April 2022 and April 2023, we manage to remove a lot of the Covid drag.   

April 2022 had 4.308 million.  April 2023 had 5.014 million.  That's a 16.39 % increase. If we use those numbers for the year, we can project somewhere in the 58 million passenger range. 

On another topic, we will overtake Miami as the busiest Florida airport again.  Something strange is going on with Miami. They really are not having any change on monthly numbers 2022 compared to 2023. 

Lastly, we are destroying Las Vegas, even with their padded private jet travel numbers. First 4 months of 2023 for Las Vegas was 18.3 million passengers. Compare that with 19.272 million for MCO. 

https://www.yogonet.com/international//news/2023/05/26/67288-las-vegas-airport-sees-visitation-up-128-to-48m-passengers-in-april#:~:text=For the first four months,of the summer vacation season.

https://orlandoairports.net/about-us/#traffic-statistics

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what's the reason do you think? (with regards to Vegas and Miami)

Edited June 2, 2023 by jrs2

[shardoon]

3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

what's the reason do you think? (with regards to Vegas and Miami)

I really do not know. It's strange. Miami is a heavy international gateway and connection center to the Caribbean and Latin America. Maybe less international travel this year? Maybe Orlando being aggressive with new Caribbean and South America direct flights give people more options locally as well as using Orlando as a connection? Dollars and cents, the carriers that fly to the Caribbean and South America from Orlando do tend to be cheaper than American Airlines. 

As for Vegas, I've got no clue. 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, shardoon said:

I really do not know. It's strange. Miami is a heavy international gateway and connection center to the Caribbean and Latin America. Maybe less international travel this year? Maybe Orlando being aggressive with new Caribbean and South America direct flights give people more options locally as well as using Orlando as a connection? Dollars and cents, the carriers that fly to the Caribbean and South America from Orlando do tend to be cheaper than American Airlines. 

As for Vegas, I've got no clue. 

Fascinating dynamic. I never thought 15 years ago MCO could compete with Miami on international Latin American routes or direct flights. But we saw those new routes  announcements posted here one after another, and over time, they added up to be alot of passengers per year.

[shardoon]

5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Fascinating dynamic. I never thought 15 years ago MCO could compete with Miami on international Latin American routes or direct flights. But we saw those new routes  announcements posted here one after another, and over time, they added up to be alot of passengers per year.

It's strange, but a lot of times flying into Orlando on Southwest or Jetblue, they make announcements on the inbound flight about gate connections. Makes Orlando feel like a hub.

[jrs2]

On 6/2/2023 at 9:52 PM, shardoon said:

It's strange, but a lot of times flying into Orlando on Southwest or Jetblue, they make announcements on the inbound flight about gate connections. Makes Orlando feel like a hub.

what is the goal for Terminal C and intl. flights?  Do they plan to eventually move all intl. flights out of Airside 4 to Terminal C?

[shardoon]

16 hours ago, jrs2 said:

what is the goal for Terminal C and intl. flights?  Do they plan to eventually move all intl. flights out of Airside 4 to Terminal C?

That was what I believe the original plan was, but clearly, not all of the international carriers moved. 

[jrs2]

4 hours ago, shardoon said:

That was what I believe the original plan was, but clearly, not all of the international carriers moved. 

that would mean Delta too I assume.  A friend just flew to Europe direct on Delta...

[jrs2]

https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/Upcoming-Construction-Projects-June-2023.pdf

https://www.passengerterminaltoday.com/news/airport/orlando-airport-receives-us69m-for-two-terminal-c-expansion-projects.html

not sure if that was posted or not in March...

Upcoming-Construction-Projects-June-2023.pdf

Edited June 6, 2023 by jrs2

[shardoon]

49 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/Upcoming-Construction-Projects-June-2023.pdf

https://www.passengerterminaltoday.com/news/airport/orlando-airport-receives-us69m-for-two-terminal-c-expansion-projects.html

not sure if that was posted or not in March...

Upcoming-Construction-Projects-June-2023.pdf 271.38 kB · 0 downloads

It looks like the terminal C landside terminal will be expanded in addition to the additional  4 gates on the airside. 

[jrs2]

https://www.enr.com/articles/56462-orlando-intl-airport-names-jacobs-terminal-c-expansion-pm

from May 16, 2023

Orlando Intl. Airport Names Jacobs Terminal C Expansion PM

pedestrian bridge, gates, airfield work, rental car facility, rental car lobby, Phase 2 expansion design, 

[codypet]

Wow!  They bounced HNTB?

Edited June 9, 2023 by codypet

[shardoon]

So the capital improvement plan with funds through 2027 includes phase 2. This current expansion that is starting is phase 1A. So this is assuming phase 2 will be another 15 gates?

[jrs2]

14 minutes ago, shardoon said:

So the capital improvement plan with funds through 2027 includes phase 2. This current expansion that is starting is phase 1A. So this is assuming phase 2 will be another 15 gates?

I think, yes, on the number of gates.  But as far as building the thing, I'm not so sure.  They said Phase 2 planning...so maybe just that and nothing more...

[jrs2]

21 minutes ago, shardoon said:

So the capital improvement plan with funds through 2027 includes phase 2. This current expansion that is starting is phase 1A. So this is assuming phase 2 will be another 15 gates?

As for Phase 2, I am assuming it would be that spur in the bottom of that graphic.  It looks to be 19 gates...

[shardoon]

13 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

I think, yes, on the number of gates.  But as far as building the thing, I'm not so sure.  They said Phase 2 planning...so maybe just that and nothing more...

$750 million is a lot more than the bridge, phase 1A and phase 2 planning....... maybe the damn APM lol  

Edited June 9, 2023 by shardoon

[jrs2]

48 minutes ago, shardoon said:

$750 million is a lot more than the bridge, phase 1A and phase 2 planning....... maybe the damn APM lol  

my bad.  you're probably right.  Phase 2 if its just that portion I notated above is only the Airside portion with those 19 gates.  Phase 1a was expensive b/c it was also a Landside Terminal which is rather large.

[blt23]

Phase 2 construction is beyond the timeline/scope of the current Capital Improvement Plan and not included in the mentioned $750 million figure.

[jrs2]

12 hours ago, blt23 said:

Phase 2 construction is beyond the timeline/scope of the current Capital Improvement Plan and not included in the mentioned $750 million figure.

OMG.  Man, these prices are getting way out of control.

[codypet]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:37 AM, jrs2 said:

OMG.  Man, these prices are getting way out of control.

Inflation.  

The run of the mill stormwater inlet you see everywhere will set you back $11.5k.  No pipe, just the installation of the inlet.  

That same inlet in 2020 was $7k and $8.2k in 2021

Now extrapolate that to every construction material in a project.

Source FDOT:

https://www.fdot.gov/programmanagement/estimates/documents/historicalitemaveragecostsreports

Edited June 12, 2023 by codypet

[jrs2]

40 minutes ago, codypet said:

Inflation.  

The run of the mill stormwater inlet you see everywhere will set you back $11.5k.  No pipe, just the installation of the inlet.  

That same inlet in 2020 was $7k and $8.2k in 2021

Now extrapolate that to every construction material in a project.

Source FDOT:

https://www.fdot.gov/programmanagement/estimates/documents/historicalitemaveragecostsreports

so now what?  is it just going to continue escalating out of control?  During the Boom, talk was of concrete shortage because of China.  So, now what?

[codypet]

2 hours ago, jrs2 said:

so now what?  is it just going to continue escalating out of control?  During the Boom, talk was of concrete shortage because of China.  So, now what?

I'm sure a recession will contract prices a little bit.