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[UTgrad09]

I can think of a quite a few.

 

I honestly don't see the reasoning behind the constant griping about "boxes" or lack of height. It's honestly annoying scrolling through every thread and seeing the same comments. I don't know if you're venting, trolling or honestly think you need to repeat yourself over and over. 

 

Is it good to be a critic? Yes. About every project regardless of budget or location? No. 

 

Nashville is experiencing a boom that a lot of cities would be extremely jealous of...those larger and smaller than Nashville, but when it comes to land value, market rate value and potential tenants to drive away from the routine "fear of height, love of box", Nashville isn't there yet and is no where close. There's a reason why well know American architecture (skyscrapers in this case) are only found in 2, possibly 3 cities in the US. 

 

Want ridiculous height? Oil and banks. Until those come, nada. 

 

Nashville can focus on great urban design, neighborhood development and walk-ability. The Pearl District in Portland is what Nashville should model toward. Is the architecture there all short and boxy. Yes. Do you notice? No.  

 

I agree with this to an extent.

 

I do understand the frustration with seeing numerous proposals with similar (if not nearly identical) designs. I know it's not like we're getting 60s style public housing towers, but I can certainly see a lot of room for...variation. That's one big reason why the Turnberry proposal seems so refreshing.

 

 

 

That said, a lot of times, when these buildings are built, the addition to the urban environment outweighs the pedestrian design. Some buildings also take some time to grow on you. I also appreciate the economic factor. While I hate the occasional loss of a vintage (or downright historic -- cough cough Virgin Hotel cough cough) building, I feel like the added density will ultimately make Nashville a more attractive city. Another thing it will do (over time) is create scarcity of space, which if the market conditions are right, should result in taller buildings. 

 

In the end, I'll take a glass box over an asphalt lot 1,000,000x a day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

[Guest]

Maybe we can convince Tony to build this.

Horrible object architecture. No context. No basis is usability and zero relationship to an urban condition.

[CenterHill]

That's what I like about the OneC1ty concept overall.   It's creating from scratch out of an industrial brownfield a human scale, urban workplace.    I have no issues, zero, with the glass architectural style used in the first OneC1ty buildings.   Take a look again at the rendering above and look back at the OneC1ty master plan.    What you don't see is the Cool Springs / MetroCenter / Maryland Farms layout of stand-alone single-purpose office buildings (glass "boxes" or otherwise) with zero street activation (because they don't address streets) and surrounded by strips of grass and shrubs and acres of parking.    The building in the OneC1ty rendering above looks positively urban in its relationship to the street, sidewalks and pedestrians.   Bravo!    So what if it's only 10 (or whatever) stories.    Any taller would be out of context in that location.    

[Paramount747]

I can think of a quite a few.

 

I honestly don't see the reasoning behind the constant griping about "boxes" or lack of height. It's honestly annoying scrolling through every thread and seeing the same comments. I don't know if you're venting, trolling or honestly think you need to repeat yourself over and over. 

 

Is it good to be a critic? Yes. About every project regardless of budget or location? No. 

 

Nashville is experiencing a boom that a lot of cities would be extremely jealous of...those larger and smaller than Nashville, but when it comes to land value, market rate value and potential tenants to drive away from the routine "fear of height, love of box", Nashville isn't there yet and is no where close. There's a reason why well know American architecture (skyscrapers in this case) are only found in 2, possibly 3 cities in the US. 

 

Want ridiculous height? Oil and banks. Until those come, nada. 

 

Nashville can focus on great urban design, neighborhood development and walk-ability. The Pearl District in Portland is what Nashville should model toward. Is the architecture there all short and boxy. Yes. Do you notice? No.  

I am not going to dignify this post with a response. It's uninformed and unwarranted.

Edited April 10, 2015 by Paramount747

[UTgrad09]

I am not going to dignify this post with a response. It's uninformed and unwarranted.

I thought he made several good points.

[Paramount747]

I thought he made several good points.

The slam at me was uncalled for and as moderator you should have recognized it. Calling me a troll after 10 years of being on the forum was spiteful and uncalled for. As an architect he may resent my description of "boxes" but as one who has had family build some of the most  iconic structures in NYC (Including the Empire State building, the Chrysler Building, and the former WTC 1 and 2) and elsewhere, I expect more out of architecture than what we  are getting, the new MCC not withstanding.

 

If you are displeased with my commentary Kevin, feel free to ban me and close my account. I really don't care, but to allow someone to call me out is unfair. Had I called someone out, I would have been read the riot act. There are and have been double standards here for a long time.

[UTgrad09]

I agree that the troll comment is inappropriate, but I don't think the rest of it is.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions. You, him, me. Disagreements are fine, but please keep it civil. That includes name calling. And that applies to everyone.

It's Friday and it's nice outside. Let's go outside and forget about our troubles.

[BnaBreaker]

 

If you are displeased with my commentary Kevin, feel free to ban me and close my account. I really don't care, but to allow someone to call me out is unfair. Had I called someone out, I would have been read the riot act. There are and have been double standards here for a long time.

 

You certainly have a flair for the dramatic my friend!

Edited April 10, 2015 by BnaBreaker

[rookzie]

Children, please, we are family here, and you each have far, far more to contribute to this forum than I can ─ that's fer sure, so let's just kiss and make up for perpetual fun.  You never know when life will cut you short.

 

  "You... here and then you... gone"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Paramount747]

When arkitekte apologizes I'll consider this matter closed. Until then, I am offering no more opinions, critique's  essays, questions, or commentary at all. I will only post news I hear about East Nashville and the CBD.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Paramount747

[BnaBreaker]

Most adore you John.  No need to go all scorched earth on us just because one person gave a somewhat blunt critique of your architectural taste.

Edited April 11, 2015 by BnaBreaker

[Paramount747]

When arkitekte apologizes I'll consider this matter closed. Until then, I am offering no more opinions, critique's  essays, questions, or commentary at all. I will only post news I hear about East Nashville and the CBD.

Arkitekte don't like my posts if you are not going to apologize for the troll comment. Please unlike the post.

[dmillsphoto]

 If you can't stand heat something something something.

 

Calm down John. You don't dictate the opinions others may have. Further, at no point did he call you a troll. You went on a tirade and he called you on it. Can we move on like sensible adults?

[Paramount747]

He said :   " I don't know if you're venting, trolling or honestly think you need to repeat yourself over and over. "

 

 If you can't stand heat something something something.

 

Calm down John. You don't dictate the opinions others may have. Further, at no point did he call you a troll. You went on a tirade and he called you on it. Can we move on like sensible adults?

Ummm, he used the word troll......

[dmillsphoto]

Yes, he did. But a troll he did not call you.

[Paramount747]

Is this the "tirade" you are referring to"

 

"Boxes don't make good architecture either."

 

Did not realize that was a tirade.

[The ATX]

This thread amuses me. 

[UTgrad09]

Am I going to have to start sending people to time out?

[titanhog]

[Paramount747]

No worries, just drop it. Arkitekte is not going to apologize and I am over it. No worries. I may have offended him because he is an architect as I understand, and my standards for architecture may be a bit too high. I get frustrated with so much architecture lacking imagination. It seems everything comes down to budget and price, and after awhile that gets old. I guess I am old school. If it is not a masterpiece , don't build it. I guess I appreciate that countries in Europe most of the time do not settle for boxes. We have all seen architecture in the 5-12 story range that can be beautiful without resembling a box.

 

Thats is. Drop anymore discussion on it.

[fieldmarshaldj]

...my standards for architecture may be a bit too high. I get frustrated with so much architecture lacking imagination. It seems everything comes down to budget and price, and after awhile that gets old. I guess I am old school. If it is not a masterpiece , don't build it. I guess I appreciate that countries in Europe most of the time do not settle for boxes. We have all seen architecture in the 5-12 story range that can be beautiful without resembling a box.

 

We do need to raise up our standards, absolutely. I wish we had 1890s-level standards, where almost every piece of architecture was a work of art. How we ever descended to the level where demolishing such gems en masse was acceptable in the name of revitalization, I simply cannot fathom.

[Guest]

I get some of the "box" hate, but without a doubt we are spending more effort on the streetscape and public interaction than ever before.

[evansnathan]

[MLBrumby]

Read this and thought it was a good excuse to bump this thread... AVO, Raw Food...  http://www.tennessean.com/story/life/food/2015/10/01/avo-raw-food-wonder/72820800/

Photo of the inside of the former shipping container... 

[smeagolsfree]

Stopped in a few weeks ago with William, just to check it out. Cool looking place. Also, I have see no a lo f cars parked there for the restaurant and the Cross fit  place, even on a Sunday.