Nashville Bits and Pieces

[thenorthchannel]

2 hours ago, nashvylle said:

Go Predators!!! 

Schedule for the first round was announced this morning.    A game 7 the day before the NFL Draft would be glorious FANDEMONIUM.

 

Nashville Predators (Central No. 1) vs. Dallas Stars (Wild card No. 1)

Game 1 (@NSH): Wednesday, April 10, 9:30 p.m. 
Game 2 (@NSH): Saturday, April 13, 6 p.m.
Game 3 (@DAL): Monday, April 15, 9:30 p.m.
Game 4 (@DAL): Wednesday, April 17, 8 p.m.
Game 5 (@NSH): Saturday, April 20
Game 6 (@DAL): Monday, April 22
Game 7 (@NSH): Wednesday, April 24

[titanhog]

33 minutes ago, thenorthchannel said:

Schedule for the first round was announced this morning.    A game 7 the day before the NFL Draft would be glorious FANDEMONIUM.

 

Nashville Predators (Central No. 1) vs. Dallas Stars (Wild card No. 1)

Game 1 (@NSH): Wednesday, April 10, 9:30 p.m. 
Game 2 (@NSH): Saturday, April 13, 6 p.m.
Game 3 (@DAL): Monday, April 15, 9:30 p.m.
Game 4 (@DAL): Wednesday, April 17, 8 p.m.
Game 5 (@NSH): Saturday, April 20
Game 6 (@DAL): Monday, April 22
Game 7 (@NSH): Wednesday, April 24

Kinda hoping we don't have to go to a game 7 in the first round...but you're right...would be epic!

[CenterHill]

On 4/6/2019 at 6:01 AM, Baronakim said:

I apologize for resurrecting this topic, but I have been out of town for a week and missed it.  I am trained in landscape architecture field secondary  to my profession as an architect.  Decades ago I designed for Waller in Brentwood, so I am quite familiar with botanical species and their appropriate plantings.  While Yoshino cherries are quite lovely, I have always considered their planting at the river terraces a very poor choice.  The present ones are now quite ragged and mismatched and near the end of their viability.  Transplanting any of them regardless of the season is a joke.  They would be much more appropriate as a planting in Centennial Park or at the new state museum.   All of the ones you see so famously in D.C. and Japan are not planted in widely paved plazas strung with lighting strings or right adjacent to lounging pedestrians, homeless or otherwise.  In the present setting, they look like crap.  They only look halfway good in a short blooming period where they can look spectacular.   Street trees in this location need to be bigger and higher branching.  God forbid some idiot would take this as advocating Bradford pears.   This should have species that are street climate suitable and will remain fairly matched in height and shape for a long time.  While native species are quite admirable, the plaza environment is anything but even close to an environment approaching native growing conditions.     The criteria for this plaza(and many other Nashville street locations) should be hardiness, abuse tolerance and stateliness.  I would suggest lime trees (tilia cordata), Elm Zelchova  (z. carpinfolia) or Beech (hagus  species)  These species grow quite well here.  You can see limes in the Cool Springs area at the traffic islands at Walgreens.  There are  a couple of mature zelcovas on West End at Ruth Chris (though they have not been maintained  well at their base grilles) .  There was a magnificent beech (regretably destroyed for Vandy dorm construction) at West End & 21st.  If there was a more generous planting area, I might suggest magnolias (many of which shamefully have been lost in Nashville in recent years), though they are messy leaf and seed pod litterers, or dawn redwood, which were once native (before the last Ice Ages) here.   At any rate, y'all can gripe about losing urban green space here and there all day....what I know is that compared with Nashville 50 years ago, we live in a freakin' forest.  Get over it.

 

Putting aside the issue of the existing trees, I agree this section of Riverfront Park, with its brick paver plaza and lack of seating, is tired and dated.     The Riverfront Master Plan, which is now itself 8+ years old (2011) and has only been partially implemented, includes a proposed redesign of First Ave and this entire plaza.     As proposed, it would replace the brick plaza and existing trees interspersed in the pavement with a more natural berm, which is a much better environment for trees to thrive.    And it would run the length of First Ave from Broadway to Church St.    Images below. 

The trees species you mention would, in time, transform the riverfront view of our downtown since they are all trees that would mature at 50-60 ft in height, taller than the historic buildings lining First Ave.   They would cast much needed shade along the plaza, which is currently rather sunbaked, other than the mature oaks just north of Ft Nashboro.      Nashville Public Works has been particularly fond of the Japanese Zelkovas in the downtown area.     Union St and Charlotte are lined with Zelkovas, as is 5th Ave N at First TN Park.    Littleleaf Lindens (which you refer to as lime) are a good street tree, but underutilized here (there are some lining streets near Bicentennial Mall).     I've not seen Beech (f.agus) used as street trees.    They're difficult to transplant and establish (although they are abundant and grow to magnificent girth and height on our wooded property at Center Hill Lake).      For urban trees, I'm also a fan of Princeton Elms, a disease resistant variety of ulmus americana.    The Princeton Elms lining Deaderick St downtown are magnificent 10 years after planting.    

No idea when or if the next phase of the Riverfront Plan will be funded and implemented.    

 

[fishsticks176]

NYT: The NFL’s Great Cherry’s Tree Caper

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/opinion/nfl-nashville-cherry-trees.amp.html

Edited April 8, 2019 by fishsticks176

[Jamie Hall]

8 minutes ago, fishsticks176 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/opinion/nfl-nashville-cherry-trees.amp.html

I was nodding along to most of her opinion item until I got to the line that read, "We all have the same secret fear: What if this town we love so much is just the next Atlanta?"

It went downhill quickly from there.

[PruneTracy]

26 minutes ago, Jamie Hall said:

I was nodding along to most of her opinion item until I got to the line that read, "We all have the same secret fear: What if this town we love so much is just the next Atlanta?"

It went downhill quickly from there.

As noted previously, the fact that coastal cosmopolitans love this town so much is rather ominous in itself. Why can't they just put their tourism money in an envelope and mail it here? Or Venmo, we can create a Nashville Venmo.

[Craiger]

3 minutes ago, PruneTracy said:

As noted previously, the fact that coastal cosmopolitans love this town so much is rather ominous in itself. Why can't they just put their tourism money in an envelope and mail it here? Or Venmo, we can create a Nashville Venmo.

I don't understand what is ominous about people loving our city? It's not like we are a pure tourism town that will die when the fad wears off. 

[PruneTracy]

12 minutes ago, Craiger said:

I don't understand what is ominous about people loving our city? It's not like we are a pure tourism town that will die when the fad wears off. 

Let's see, how do I put this without starting something. It's kind of like when you have a house, and you perhaps invite a certain significant other over for Netflix and chill. And that significant other loves your house so much they keep wanting to come back over, which is OK by you. But then after a little while they love it so much they want to move in, which may not be so bad, the more the merrier. But then they want to maybe move some furniture around, hang up some different curtains, nothing too crazy, nothing you can't move back, and maybe that's not the worst thing to happen, they're saying, because while your house is good, it still has some old stuff that's maybe out of fashion, and their old house, the one they just moved out of, well, it just had some things that were better. But then after a little while more you're pulling up carpet and knocking out walls to try to make this house look even more like the one your significant other moved out of, because your house, it's just so out-of-date, nothing like their old house, we're lucky it hasn't been condemned yet. And then you come home from work one day and you realize you don't recognize your house any more because all your significant other did was change your house to be just like the one they left, and if they said they loved your house so much, then why do they feel the need to change it to match the one they moved out of? Whose house is this anyway? Why didn't your significant other just stay in their own house and do what they want to it?

[CenterHill]

I don't know, the op-ed (written by Nashville author, Margaret Renkl) pretty much nails it in terms of why there was a public backlash around the cherry trees.    It's essentially what I said on this board a few days ago, that the issue isn't really the trees.   The trees are a metaphor for the direction people feel the city's priorities are moving.      

[Craiger]

26 minutes ago, PruneTracy said:

Let's see, how do I put this without starting something. It's kind of like when you have a house, and you perhaps invite a certain significant other over for Netflix and chill. And that significant other loves your house so much they keep wanting to come back over, which is OK by you. But then after a little while they love it so much they want to move in, which may not be so bad, the more the merrier. But then they want to maybe move some furniture around, hang up some different curtains, nothing too crazy, nothing you can't move back, and maybe that's not the worst thing to happen, they're saying, because while your house is good, it still has some old stuff that's maybe out of fashion, and their old house, the one they just moved out of, well, it just had some things that were better. But then after a little while more you're pulling up carpet and knocking out walls to try to make this house look even more like the one your significant other moved out of, because your house, it's just so out-of-date, nothing like their old house, we're lucky it hasn't been condemned yet. And then you come home from work one day and you realize you don't recognize your house any more because all your significant other did was change your house to be just like the one they left, and if they said they loved your house so much, then why do they feel the need to change it to match the one they moved out of? Whose house is this anyway? Why didn't your significant other just stay in their own house and do what they want to it?

Whose house is this anyway?

[markhollin]

To quote Neil Peart: "Constant change is here to stay."  I find it interesting that some folks I know that moved here 8 years ago are complaining about how much Nashville is being changed by "outsiders." The other night, someone who has lived here for 30 years, just like me, was opining the same thing. But they moved here from Philly, and I moved here from Chicago.  And I can guarantee that there were locals at that time complaining about US moving in. Heck, let's go all the way back to the Chickasaw and Cherokee Nations that lived in the area in the late 1800s to get their opinions on the pioneers.  

[Jamie Hall]

9 minutes ago, markhollin said:

And I can guarantee that there were locals at that time complaining about US moving in. Heck, let's go all the way back to the Chickasaw and Cherokee Nations that lived in the area in the late 1800s to get their opinions on the pioneers.  

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Precisely. What bugs me about Margaret Renkl's assessment of Nashville is the usual "take-me-back-to-old-Nashville" reminiscing with no clear definition of what she thinks "old Nashville" really was. 

She writes that "there is no authenticity to the city left in downtown Nashville," but doesn't bother to mention that the previous incarnation of downtown Nashville was littered with violence, sketchy businesses,  rampant homeless issues, and acres of empty parking lots. Is that the "authentic" version of Nashville she prefers? Or does she want to go back to the trolley cars and polluted air? Or all the way back to dirt streets with horses and buggies?

I, for one, love being in a city where there's new construction announced almost every week by local developers, outside developers, and people with and without reasonable incentives given by our elected leaders -- all the things she claims "we are tired of."

 There are plenty of elements of "old" Nashville still in very plain sight, and the combination of the "old" and "new" Nashville is what makes our city amazing. If Margaret Renkl doesn't see the beauty and excitement in this city, she isn't looking hard enough.

[PaulChinetti]

 

Some great pictures in this talk.

[Rockatansky]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

Neil Peart:

[Mr_Bond]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

To quote Neil Peart: "Constant change is here to stay."  I find it interesting that some folks I know that moved here 8 years ago are complaining about how much Nashville is being changed by "outsiders." The other night, someone who has lived here for 30 years, just like me, was opining the same thing. But they moved here from Philly, and I moved here from Chicago.  And I can guarantee that there were locals at that time complaining about US moving in. Heck, let's go all the way back to the Chickasaw and Cherokee Nations that lived in the area in the late 1800s to get their opinions on the pioneers.  

I've heard it said that to be a Southerner, your family must have lived in the South for 3-4 generations.  That sort of makes sense.  Generation 1 moves here, perhaps with children (Generation 2) who go to school here.  Generation 3 is born here 30 to 40 years after Gen 1 arrived.  Gen 3 is Southern.  Of course, this applies to moving anywhere, whether across state lines or across the world.

[Craiger]

40 minutes ago, Mr_Bond said:

I've heard it said that to be a Southerner, your family must have lived in the South for 3-4 generations.  That sort of makes sense.  Generation 1 moves here, perhaps with children (Generation 2) who go to school here.  Generation 3 is born here 30 to 40 years after Gen 1 arrived.  Gen 3 is Southern.  Of course, this applies to moving anywhere, whether across state lines or across the world.

I'm going to guess this saying is a bit older and actually has it's roots in the Civil War. If your family wasn't here 3-4 generations ago, then you weren't here during the war. If you weren't here during the war, then you were and will always be a yankee carpet bagger. 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Craiger

[musiczealot]

My default response to people saying they want the "old" Nashville is "Today, would you rather live in Nashville or Memphis?"  Not to pile on Memphis (we spent some time in Memphis in January for a Grizzlies game - there is so much potential in their DT), but that usually nips any complaining in the bud.

[Mr_Bond]

1 hour ago, Craiger said:

I'm going to guess this saying is a bit older and actually has it's roots in the Civil War. If your family wasn't here 3-4 generations ago, then you weren't here during the war. If you weren't here during the war, then you were and will always be a yankee carpet bagger. 

I am attempting to connect it to any major move by a person or family who wants to establish residence and roots in a new place.  Consider the language difficulties encountered by an immigrant (Gen 1).  If their children (Gen 2) are older than ten, they will also have some difficulties speaking the local language like a native.  But after two generations of living in the country/region, Gen 3 will grow up speaking the new language as their primary one.  After Gen 1 has passed, the family may stop speaking the language of their homeland.

[markhollin]

Joseph Pitchard, Managing Director the Dallas-based developer Crescent Real Estate, says his company is bullish on Nashville.  They have other plans beyond the Embassy Suites/1 Hotel (30 and 18 stories) project underway at 8th Ave. South and Demonbreun.  "You'll see a lot more of us. We view this as our beachhead project."

Crescent has over 3 million sq. ft. of office space, 1,500 hotel rooms, and more than 6,500 apartments in its portfolio nationwide, including Dallas, Denver, Atlanta, Tucson, and Annapolis, MD.

Pitchford says Nashville and its booming growth places the region at the top of the company' target markets. "We want to be open for business in Nashville." He cites the MCC, airport expansion, and the city's willingness to address mass transit as big attraction points.

More behind the NBJ paywall here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2019/04/08/two-tower-project-is-just-the-beginning-says.html?iana=hpmvp_nsh_news_headline

[MLBrumby]

An interesting quote from the article: We’re not booming on expectations or perception,” says Thomas D. Turner, president and CEO of the Nashville Downtown Partnership. “We’re booming on reality. Downtown office, residential, and retail are all in short supply as development has lagged demand. Our market research indicates demand for an additional 4 million square feet [372,000 sq m] of office space, and 8,000 apartments and condos; and with retail vacancy under 4 percent, we’re underbuilt in three key categories: office, residential, and retail. While Fifth + Broad will bring significant and welcome additions to all three categories, the market can absorb even more.”

 “Fortunately, hotels are catching up to demand, with 8,000 rooms now and another 3,500 on the way,” Turner continues. 

Edited April 9, 2019 by MLBrumby

[markhollin]

Nashville party vehicles fall into regulatory loophole, with no local oversight.

Overview of the problem at The Tennessean:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/10/12/party-bus-nashville-safety-inspection-loophole/1570487002/

[nashvylle]

I know I’m in the very small minority, but I like them. 

[MidTenn1]

Just for fun I started a list of the cable and broadcast television outlets and shows based in Nashville. It is probably incomplete, and input  is appreciated. Not listed is the number and amount of nationally viewed advertising commercials that are produced in Nashville. It would be interesting to get an idea how big that is.

Show	Cable Network (Rank)	Premise	Began	Current Status
Very Cavallari	E (40)	Kristin Cavallari Wife of Vandy/Bears Quarterback Jay Cutler	2018	Renewed for season 2
Chrisley Knows Best	USA (4)	Satire of reality tv and Sitcoms set in Nashville	2014 Atlanta	Renewed for 2019 Spinoff in works
Flip or Flop Nashville	HGTV (3)	Former Titans DeRon Jenkins and ex fiancé Page Turner flip houses	2017	Renewed
Nashville Flipped	HGTV (3)	Mike Wolfe produced flip show	2016	Cancelled 2018
Trisha’s Southern Kitchen	Food Network (14)	Trisha Yearwood cooks	2012	Renewed
Bachelorette Weekend	CMT (48)	Follows Bachelorettes around Nashville	2018	??
Ben and Pickler	Syndicated	Light midday variety with celeb interviews, cooking, etc.	2017	Cancelled after two years
Property Brothers	HGTV (3)	Numerous shows set in Nashville area	2017	??
CMT	Nashville based cable network (48)	Country music based music, news, reality shows	?	Still going strong
GAC	Nashville based cable network (75)	Country music videos and related programming	?	Still going strong
RFD	Nashville based cable network (Slightly less than Science channel)	Oriented towards rural and farming topics. Popular in those areas	?	Still going strong

[Mr_Bond]

1 hour ago, nashvylle said:

I know I’m in the very small minority, but I like them. 

Let the party continue!  The variety of vehicles has become part of Music City's brand.  They should be protected, meaning the government should leave them alone.

[markhollin]

15 minutes ago, Mr_Bond said:

Let the party continue!  The variety of vehicles has become part of Music City's brand.  They should be protected, meaning the government should leave them alone.

...until one of them tips over and folks are killed, or a drunken rider falls off and is crushed under the wheels, or, or or....