Nashville Bits and Pieces

[titanhog]

16 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Right?  But it's not their money. 

Folks, we all need to be better with 'the maths'.   If we only knew what is being spent for 'our own good' we'd be ... um, ok... I won't get political. But $1.9 trillion for (what?) $1400?  OK...rant over... 

I know what you mean.  I was watching the news one day talking about some city spending $1 million per person a year on the homeless.  My first thought was the kinda house you could buy a homeless person for a $1 Million. 

[samsonh]

1 hour ago, titanhog said:

I know what you mean.  I was watching the news one day talking about some city spending $1 million per person a year on the homeless.  My first thought was the kinda house you could buy a homeless person for a $1 Million. 

Be glad that you and ml are not in charge. The issues would be much worse

[titanhog]

5 hours ago, samsonh said:

Be glad that you and ml are not in charge. The issues would be much worse

Thank you.  That’s our whole goal…to make the issue worse.  Appreciate the compliment.  Can always count on you for the compliments. 

[samsonh]

7 hours ago, titanhog said:

Thank you.  That’s our whole goal…to make the issue worse.  Appreciate the compliment.  Can always count on you for the compliments. 

If you are upset about cost of sidewalks(as am I), there are policies and people to blame. We should not be allowing developers to build new housing and skirting their responsibilities to add sidewalks. You can look at the appeals and see these cases all the time. And certain districts are far worse than others, you can tell which council people are beholden to developers. 
 

Clearly adding sidewalks after development has already occurred is an enormous expense. So we should work to prevent that as much as possible. That will mean increasing the cost of new developments, so developers are shouldering that burden.

[titanhog]

36 minutes ago, samsonh said:

If you are upset about cost of sidewalks(as am I), there are policies and people to blame. We should not be allowing developers to build new housing and skirting their responsibilities to add sidewalks. You can look at the appeals and see these cases all the time. And certain districts are far worse than others, you can tell which council people are beholden to developers. 
 

Clearly adding sidewalks after development has already occurred is an enormous expense. So we should work to prevent that as much as possible. That will mean increasing the cost of new developments, so developers are shouldering that burden.

Then why are you mocking me and ML?  Are just being a bully?  I don’t understand your remarks if we’re on the same page about the cost of sidewalks.

[samsonh]

3 hours ago, titanhog said:

Then why are you mocking me and ML?  Are just being a bully?  I don’t understand your remarks if we’re on the same page about the cost of sidewalks.

I was poorly attempting to chide you for you and ML for the previous two posts. I apologize if it upset you both. 
 

as to the sidewalks: a great example to look at is the nations. Allowing these teardowns/rebuilds to not build sidewalks has created a mess. No sidewalks + cars parking on the sides where pedestrians should be walking. It’s a dangerous situation we have allowed to let developers save some $$ on new construction.

[smeagolsfree]

I really think Metro is squarely to blame for a lot of the sidewalk issues. The plan and policies have not been consistent over the last 15 years and they have not held developers accountable either. It is much the same with the landscape requirements as codes lets these developers slide. When they say a 2 inch caliper tree, they should mean a 2 inch and not 1 1/2 inches. Just like codes screwed up the home distansces in the Nations allowing them to be built to close to gether in places.

Metro Codes is a train wreck and has been forever and between inconsistency with Planning and "Some" councilmembers in the past, things were allowed to happen that should not have happened.

[MLBrumby]

I'd bet there's a lot of graft going on in the Codes Department.  Lots of things can be passed off as 'mistakes'.  I'm thinking of the lamebrain who issued the demolition permit for the antebellum mansion on Gallatin & Briley Pkwy about fifteen years ago. Sure the guy was paid off, but I think he was let off the hook. Then he retired. 

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, samsonh said:

I was poorly attempting to chide you for you and ML for the previous two posts. I apologize if it upset you both. 
 

as to the sidewalks: a great example to look at is the nations. Allowing these teardowns/rebuilds to not build sidewalks has created a mess. No sidewalks + cars parking on the sides where pedestrians should be walking. It’s a dangerous situation we have allowed to let developers save some $$ on new construction.

My bad Samson.  I’m too touchy.  We good. 

[smeagolsfree]

6 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

I'd bet there's a lot of graft going on in the Codes Department.  Lots of things can be passed off as 'mistakes'.  I'm thinking of the lamebrain who issued the demolition permit for the antebellum mansion on Gallatin & Briley Pkwy about fifteen years ago. Sure the guy was paid off, but I think he was let off the hook. Then he retired. 

Now they are just way under staffed. Six weeks minimum for a simple permit.

[PruneTracy]

22 hours ago, Hey_Hey said:

It is crazy to me that it costs $3.2 million per mile of sidewalks. 

21 hours ago, LA_TN said:

Normally, that means installing storm drains and burying drainage pipes, sometimes moving utilities, fill and level, install curbs, and finally sidewalks

These unit costs are developed from Metro's existing sidewalk program. Much of the cost is stormwater improvements. Transitioning from an open system (ditches/swales) to a closed system (curb, gutter, inlets and culverts) is expensive on any type of project, but what complicates matters is that Metro Water Services is requiring Public Works to connect these improvements to existing systems without degrading the performance of the existing system. This can lead to a lot of work where the only feasible tie-in point is a few thousand feet down the roadway from the end of the sidewalk project, or if the systems receiving the outflows are themselves functionally obsolete and require upgrades of their own. And of course the stormwater system itself requires extensive design, reviews, CEI, etc.

The bottom line is that many people don't have a good grasp on how expensive and maintenance-intensive this basic infrastructure becomes once sidewalks and closed drainage systems are added. It's easy to say that it's just a five-foot-wide strip of concrete, or for that matter that developers should pay for it. 

[PaulChinetti]

A good example is Moore Ave in WeHo. Definitely needs to be all done at once but still nothing has been done. I would LOVE, to see what all the developers paid to get out of sidewalks and where that money is. 

Probably in the range of 15-20 new homes at least. Not a sidewalk in sight, every time there is a storm, you see complaints on Nextdoor about flooding and when it’s not complaints about that, it’s complaints about haphazard street parking because there are no curbs so it’s chaos. 

[Hey_Hey]

I understand that there is more to it than just paving a five foot wide slab of concrete, but that is a fairly shocking number.  It may be that it costs that much, and if that were the case then I think the city needs to be very strategic in where they put a sidewalk.

I am a huge fan of sidewalks, but at some point they can become so pricey that the money could be spent elsewhere more effectively.  An example: The AMP had a price tag of roughly $174 million and would have provided transportation to a large number of people.  For that same cost, the city could have built sidewalks along 55 miles of roads. Would the 55 miles of sidewalks been an improvement? Absolutely, but I would argue The AMP (even with all of its well documented limitations) would have been more impactful and beneficial for the city’s transportation network. 

[markhollin]

NASHVILLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS
WITHIN 2 MILE RADIUS OF DOWNTOWN CORE
FEB. 2021 UPDATE

Projects that are either under construction* or proposed.

CBD/SoBro/The Gulch          Units

Gibson Residences                   380
Capital View Apts                     330
Street Lights                                360
900 Church                                  312
801 Church                                  351
Nash Yards Apts                       360
Gulch Union Towers              750
Buckingham Gulch                 300
909 Division                               342
Modera Gulch                           376
Station District One              350
Station District Two             350
Station District Three         350
Station District Four            350
Circle South Residential    500
Ritz Carlton Condos/Apt   335
Pie Town Condos                      78
LC SoBro Phase II                  168
Rutledge Flats                         174
52 Lindsley                                   30
Hensler Trolley Barns         500
Paramount                                200
94 Peabody                                 33
2nd & Peabody                      500
Voorhees Towers                 350
Aspire Gulch *                        351
The Haven *                             299
Albion *                                      430
805 Lea *                                   354
Sixth South *                           299
Broadstone SoBro *            226
The Muse *                                  55
Four Seasons Condos *     220
5th & Broadway *                 380
Total proposed:                 8,129
Total u.c.:                               2,614
GRAND TOTAL:              10,743

North Capitol/Germantown   Units

Ballpark Village                                 350
505 2nd Ave (Homeless)              100
3rd & Jefferson                                 200
7th & Jefferson                                    80
1020 Jefferson                                    25
4th & Hume                                           15
2nd & Monroe                                   217
3rd & Monroe Townhomes          30
Germantown Village                       70
Nashville Block 5                            280
Modera Germantown                 800
1414 3rd Ave North                     100
3rd & Coffee                                         25
Water Tower Condos*                    37
Elliott Germantown *                      30
Madison Street Flats *                   47
810 Jefferson *                                  34
The Ludlow *                                       68
Randee Rogers *                            100
Towne Nashville *                         329
Delta Ave. Townhomes *              18
Row @ 6th & Garfield *                 20
The Hamilton *                               300
Hume House *                                300
1314 5th Ave North *                   13
Neuhoff Plant Apts *                  550
2nd Ave Townhomes *                 22
Total proposed:                         2,292
Total u.c.:                                       1,868
GRAND TOATL:                        4,160


East Bank                                          Units

The Landings @ River North   651
Top Golf Residential                    250
RMR Group Residences.       1,425
Total Proposed:                           2,326

 

East Nashville                            Units

Envision Cayce future           1,200
Samaritan Recovery                  475
10th & Fatherland                        50
Nash Pottery & Pipeworks   490
Skyline East                                1,400
215 Cleveland                                  15
829 Dickerson                                 50
900 Dickerson                              100
Dickerson Flats                               40
1200 Dickerson                              30
1300 Dickerson                             70
Bristol Dickerson                       186
Solo Lofts                                        110
Superior                                          300
Gatewood & Dickerson         240
1201 Brick Church Pike           14
Boscobil IV *                                164
Red Oak Flats *                          102
Red Oak Townhomes *            70
1012 Main *                                   21
Lindsley Place *                           20
Total proposed:                     4,770
Total u.c.:                                       377
GRAND TOTAL:                   5,147

 

MetroCenter/North Nashville   Units

The Duke II                                              192
Alta Riverwalk                                       304
Clay Street Apts                                      61
Crossroads Campus                             18
1300 Jefferson                                        25
Fisk Dorm                                                287
Lofts @ Marathon Village              463
M Cubed marathonVillage           200
Union Brick                                            379
16th & Jo Johnston                              60
341 Great Circle *                              465
The Knox *                                              300
MetroCenter Flats *                         118
1501 Herman *                                    300
Pearl Studios *                                     108
Total proposed:                                1,989
Total u.c.:                                              1,291
GRAND TOTAL                                3,280

 

Midtown/Music Row                     Units

Avalon                                                     150
Alto                                                              74
Contralto                                                  52
301 15th Ave North                        150
Reed District                                    1,000
Vanderbilt Grad Village                 600
1012 16th Ave South                         50
Edgehill Village Townhomes.         10
Woodfield *                                           292
Broadwest Conrad Condos *      220
1601 Broadway *                               440
19th & Broadway *                            347
Alta Foundry *                                      231
2006 West End *                                350
Kenect *                                                  420
1010 18th Ave South *                     13
Total Proposed:                               2,086
Total u.c.:                                             2,313
GRAND TOTAL:                             4,399       


12th/8th/WeHo                             Units

1201 Hillside                                       445
Park @ Hillside Phase II                200
Park @ Hillside Phase III              200
1107 8th Ave South                          70
Olympic II                                                52
Hagan + Hamilton                            220
T3 Finery                                               311
Finery North                                       150
Nash Warehouse Co Apts           305
South Sixth Nash. Heights           150
2nd Ave South Condos                    10
1242 2nd Ave Townhomes           10
1425 4th Ave South                       108
Rains Ave Condos                              69
Pillow & Merritt                                  80
Merritt Mansion AJ Capitol      450
Maverick Row *                                   11
Novel Edgehill *                                270
Gulch Row *                                           12
Park at Hillside *                              600
Standard Assembly *                     314
Fusion WeHo *                                    37
Hamilton + Martin *                        29
Martin Flats *                                   150
Third & Mildred Shute *                64
Total proposed:                            2,830
Total u.c.:                                          1,487
GRAND TOTAL:                          4,317


SUPER TOTALS: WITHIN 2 MILE RADIUS OF CORE:
91 proposed projects:             24,422 units
50 projects u.c.:                              9,500 units
GRAND TOTAL                           33,922 units

[smeagolsfree]

Thanks Mark, I am glad you are keep track of this now. I tried and frankly it is a daunting task to keep up with, not to mention all of the other things I try to keep up with as well as yourself. The research jobs on this board to be decent moderators and members these days have gone far beyond what they were 16 years ago when I first started posting. There were just a smattering of projects around town and we thought we were booming. The joke  is on us I guess, when now that we are in a so called slow down and we get a month like we had in January, it boggles the mind.

Looking back at those days we we looking towards Charlotte and Atlanta with envious eyes, wondering when will it ever happen here. The last eight years have been a truly special time for Nashville and hopefully the next eight or ten will be too.

On a related note WSMV looks to be the only TV station that covered all of the two tower announcements last week.

 

[shanky]

On 2/5/2021 at 7:24 PM, titanhog said:

I know what you mean.  I was watching the news one day talking about some city spending $1 million per person a year on the homeless.  My first thought was the kinda house you could buy a homeless person for a $1 Million. 

I would love to know where this is occurring.  I'll pack my bags quit my job and be there tomorrow.  There isn't a city/town/state/country in the world spending a million a year on a homeless person.

[DMilner]

On 2/6/2021 at 4:37 PM, PaulChinetti said:

A good example is Moore Ave in WeHo. Definitely needs to be all done at once but still nothing has been done. I would LOVE, to see what all the developers paid to get out of sidewalks and where that money is. 

Probably in the range of 15-20 new homes at least. Not a sidewalk in sight, every time there is a storm, you see complaints on Nextdoor about flooding and when it’s not complaints about that, it’s complaints about haphazard street parking because there are no curbs so it’s chaos. 

I've lived on the 500 block of Moore for 5.5 years and nothing has been done in regards to traffic and infrastructure; Metro PD has had to have vehicles towed that have blocked my driveway. There have been 42 HPR 3-4 bedroom homes built since we bought our house; sidewalks have been built with 6 of those units. 

[PaulChinetti]

42, I was way off, that street has blown up so much.

[markhollin]

2020 commercial real estate sales in Davidson County dipped 37% from 2019 (due to Covid-19), but were still better than 3 years of the Great Recession combined. 

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2021/02/08/cre-data.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_34&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

[smeagolsfree]

China is banning skyscrapers over 500 meters and copycat architecture.

 

[smeagolsfree]

Meant to put this in the travel thread and will repost it there.

[Craiger]

Not sure where else this would fit so mods feel free to move. Just wanted to rant.

I am getting increasingly frustrated with the shear amount of what I assume is spilled concrete at intersections around the city. If you drive into town on Lebanon Pike to 1st Ave, every light has multiple large piles of concrete. Is there any way to hold these folks accountable? Nashville has some of the worst surface streets I’ve encountered and this along with all of the “repaired” holes that developers dig for utilities is a large contributing factor in my opinion. 

[CenterHill]

30 minutes ago, Craiger said:

Not sure where else this would fit so mods feel free to move. Just wanted to rant.

I am getting increasingly frustrated with the shear amount of what I assume is spilled concrete at intersections around the city. If you drive into town on Lebanon Pike to 1st Ave, every light has multiple large piles of concrete. Is there any way to hold these folks accountable? Nashville has some of the worst surface streets I’ve encountered and this along with all of the “repaired” holes that developers dig for utilities is a large contributing factor in my opinion. 

I’ve noticed this phenomenon, too.    For a while there was a large spill at the intersection of Franklin Rd and Harding Pl.  Someone, MPW or a good samaritan, finally came and chipped it away.    Try posting on Hub on the nashville.gov website.   

[PaulChinetti]

How does it even happen? There is one on the interstate over by where you get on around Hermitage Ave. Like how??

[smeagolsfree]

30 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

How does it even happen? There is one on the interstate over by where you get on around Hermitage Ave. Like how??

A bad interstate design from the 50's and no major updates to speak of in the last 25 or 30 years, maybe longer. I can only say from the time I have been here and traveled back and forth. 

On the theme of interchanges, part of the East bank plan may include at some point a redo of the Ellington Interchange around Spring and Main. It was brought up at the last planning meeting. It just takes up so much land.