Nashville Bits and Pieces

[Licec]

37 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

Relevant to the Transpotainment Discussion, Freddie O’Connell filed a bill to regulate the vehicles under the Transportation and Licensing Committee. 
https://twitter.com/freddieoconnell/status/1436320999390261280?s=21

 

It would be nice if he understood the concept of giving us specific incidents so no one would think he's just pulling these "incidents" out of thin air.

[PaulChinetti]

3 minutes ago, Licec said:

 

It would be nice if he understood the concept of giving us specific incidents so no one would think he's just pulling these "incidents" out of thin air.

That was the first thing I thought when I read that part. Like a few public ones with videos, versus cops dealing with people on the sidewalks every single weekend. What % of "incidents" are we talking about here. 

[Nash_12South]

From what I've heard, there is growing concern that we are beginning to alienate certain segments of tourists, for instance families and tourists not coming to town to participate in a 3 or 4 day drunk fest, but increasingly unable to avoid it. The family, from Iowa, walking down Broadway isn't to keen on hearing obscenities' hurled from a peddle tavern going by. And the bad experiences get passed around far more than the good. This goes for conventioneers too. 

It also not easy to attract white collar businesses to locate in a downtown that is increasingly seen as a drunken free for all on many evenings. I'm not saying that this is the what is actually happening but the perception is getting out there on social media. The family happily eating ice cream on 2nd Ave doesn't get as many "views, likes, retweets" as the drunk falling off a party bus, on twitter. 

I've heard several anecdotal stories form business folks and tourists, who are returning after several years of not being here, and being pretty disappointed with the current atmosphere and that the party vehicles are getting a lot of discussion.  The party on Broadway used to be fairly contained to inside the bars. Then we began seeing every bar add roll up glass doors/walls and the party spread more onto the sidewalks. Now with the various types of party vehicles, all of Broadway and the side streets are becoming one huge party free for all. Many enjoy it and want more of it, many don't. We seem to be trying to find a middle ground. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Nash_12South

[bnacincy]

44 minutes ago, Nash_12South said:

From what I've heard, there is growing concern that we are beginning to alienate certain segments of tourists, for instance families and tourists not coming to town to participate in a 3 or 4 day drunk fest, but increasingly unable to avoid it. The family, from Iowa, walking down Broadway isn't to keen on hearing obscenities' hurled from a peddle tavern going by. And the bad experiences get passed around far more than the good. This goes for conventioneers too. 

It also not easy to attract white collar businesses to locate in a downtown that is increasingly seen as a drunken free for all on many evenings. I'm not saying that this is the what is actually happening but the perception is getting out there on social media. The family happily eating ice cream on 2nd Ave doesn't get as many "views, likes, retweets" as the drunk falling off a party bus, on twitter. 

I've heard several anecdotal stories form business folks and tourists, who are returning after several years of not being here, and being pretty disappointed with the current atmosphere and that the party vehicles are getting a lot of discussion.  The party on Broadway used to be fairly contained to inside the bars. Then we began seeing every bar add roll up glass doors/walls and the party spread more onto the sidewalks. Now with the various types of party vehicles, all of Broadway and the side streets are becoming one huge party free for all. Many enjoy it and want more of it, many don't. We seem to be trying to find a middle ground. 

Which is why I came up with the idea for a museum/theater district on Upper Broadway along with more specialty retail in the Gulch-Nashville needs more options for visitors,residents and newcomers alike than just the drunkfest on Lower Broadway watching bachelorettes yelling woo-hoo while listening to coverbands-Nashville needs to step up to the plate NOW or LOBRO is gonna get old real quick.

Edited September 10, 2021 by bnacincy
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[smeagolsfree]

49 minutes ago, Nash_12South said:

From what I've heard, there is growing concern that we are beginning to alienate certain segments of tourists, for instance families and tourists not coming to town to participate in a 3 or 4 day drunk fest, but increasingly unable to avoid it. The family, from Iowa, walking down Broadway isn't to keen on hearing obscenities' hurled from a peddle tavern going by. And the bad experiences get passed around far more than the good. This goes for conventioneers too. 

That’s a real problem if true and it would be the fault of MPD and the CVC. Sounds as if its time to really start enforcing public Intoxication laws, disorderly conduct laws, etc. I know some on the board think we have a lot of family type things to do but I think we need a lot more family type venues around town. These types of things will bite Nashville in the rear if Metro is not careful and there are a few bar owners downtown that really don’t care who they offend.

It all cant be about bars and such. New Orleans is a fun place to go but at night is a place you don’t take children at night, but it’s also a place you don’t get out of line because the cops will take you to jail in half a heartbeat too. But the area is confined to the Bourbon Street and the surrounding area.

Maybe its time to do some specific specialty zoning downtown or some exclusionary zoning if that’s possible.

[donNdonelson2]

LoBro is way past old. Too loud. Too drunk. Too crowded. Too dangerous. I used to enjoy walking around down there some nights to take in some of the buzz. These days I avoid it like the Covid. (But I’m old, who cares if I want to visit LoBro…but I don’t visit the Frist or the Country Music Hall of Fame any more. I’m unlikely to visit 5th + Broad or the American Museum of African American Music. Certainly there are other locals and tourists who feel much the same.)

[bnacincy]

I'm thinking the Opryland area needs to be more than just outlet mall shopping-the area across from Opry Mills could be a good spot for the proposed theme park and I always thought relocating the Zoo from Grassmere to the current Two Rivers Golf Course location would attract more visitors and locals alike as it would be more centrally located and easier to get to. Music Valley needs to about more family oriented offerings.

And as I mentioned on the Printer and Banker thread 3rdAve/Printers Alley/Bankers Alley needs to become an alternative entertainment district for adults who still would like like a drink or two but want something a little bit more sophisticated in terms of entertainment than what is being offered on Broadway.

[downtownresident]

1 hour ago, bnacincy said:

Which is why I came up with the idea for a museum/theater district on Upper Broadway along with more specialty retail in the Gulch-Nashville needs more options for visitors,residents and newcomers alike than just the drunkfest on Lower Broadway watching bachelorettes yelling woo-hoo while listening to coverbands-Nashville needs to step up to the plate NOW or LOBRO is gonna get old real quick.

I think Nashville Yards will fit this bill nicely, in terms of speciality retail and a more high end experience. I like Fifth + Broadway, and it’s definitely a lot more chill than Lobro, but it definitely appeals to that same crowd, particularly the Food Hall and the rooftop. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by downtownresident

[Licec]

2 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

From what I've heard, there is growing concern that we are beginning to alienate certain segments of tourists, for instance families and tourists not coming to town to participate in a 3 or 4 day drunk fest, but increasingly unable to avoid it. The family, from Iowa, walking down Broadway isn't to keen on hearing obscenities' hurled from a peddle tavern going by. And the bad experiences get passed around far more than the good. This goes for conventioneers too. 

It also not easy to attract white collar businesses to locate in a downtown that is increasingly seen as a drunken free for all on many evenings. I'm not saying that this is the what is actually happening but the perception is getting out there on social media. The family happily eating ice cream on 2nd Ave doesn't get as many "views, likes, retweets" as the drunk falling off a party bus, on twitter. 

I've heard several anecdotal stories form business folks and tourists, who are returning after several years of not being here, and being pretty disappointed with the current atmosphere and that the party vehicles are getting a lot of discussion.  The party on Broadway used to be fairly contained to inside the bars. Then we began seeing every bar add roll up glass doors/walls and the party spread more onto the sidewalks. Now with the various types of party vehicles, all of Broadway and the side streets are becoming one huge party free for all. Many enjoy it and want more of it, many don't. We seem to be trying to find a middle ground. 

So is the ultimate goal to get rid of the venues on Broadway? That's what this sounds like. How much family tourism was Nashville getting before the 10's?

If Broadway is such a problem then don't go. People don't take their kids to Printer's Alley so why take them to Broadway?

Are they complaining about The Strip? South Beach? Bourbon Street?

It sounds like a bunch of miserable lemon suckers who are mad because people are coming to Nashville for Jam Sessions and are not interested in sitting on their hands on a stool listening to old timey country twang music.

There's plenty for families to do where they don't have to go to Broadway.

The typical family vacation is June and July when school is out. What is Nashville supposed to do the other 10 months out of the year?

The typical family vacation is two nights, some stay three nights. And they don't back. Once they've come to Nashville they ain't coming back. As with most "family" vacations. That's Nashville tourism from the nineties and as late as the zeroes.

Adult vacations are at least three nights. Some stay four, five, or six nights. Adult vacations also have more people in their party. Some go as high as six to nine people. And Adults are more likely to come back. Some come back multiple times a year.

Go ahead and turn back the clock to the nineties and zeroes. The convention and tourism bureau imbeciles will be wasting taxpayer money for studies on how to increase tourism so that Nashville can catch up to Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, and Atlanta.

A fool (Nashville) and its money are lucky to get together in the first place.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Licec

[downtownresident]

31 minutes ago, Licec said:

So is the ultimate goal to get rid of the venues on Broadway? That's what this sounds like. How much family tourism was Nashville getting before the 10's?

If Broadway is such a problem then don't go. People don't take their kids to Printer's Alley so why take them to Broadway?

Are they complaining about The Strip? South Beach? Bourbon Street?

It sounds like a bunch of miserable lemon suckers who are mad because people are coming to Nashville for Jam Sessions and are not interested in sitting on their hands on a stool listening to old timey country twang music.

There's plenty for families to do where they don't have to go to Broadway.

The typical family vacation is June and July when school is out. What is Nashville supposed to do the other 10 months out of the year?

The typical family vacation is two nights, some stay three nights. And they don't back. Once they've come to Nashville they ain't coming back. As with most "family" vacations. That's Nashville tourism from the nineties and as late as the zeroes.

Adult vacations are at least three nights. Some stay four, five, or six nights. Adult vacations also have more people in their party. Some go as high as six to nine people. And Adults are more likely to come back. Some come back multiple times a year.

Go ahead and turn back the clock to the nineties and zeroes. The convention and tourism bureau imbeciles will be wasting taxpayer money for studies on how to increase tourism so that Nashville can catch up to Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, and Atlanta.

A fool (Nashville) and its money are lucky to get together in the first place.

No one is suggesting to shut down the party, or shut down Broadway. It's just that the party is getting a little out of hand, and becoming a detriment to those of us that live and work downtown. The city seems to be trying to thread the needle and find a middle ground, we'll see. 

[Licec]

2 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

It also not easy to attract white collar businesses to locate in a downtown that is increasingly seen as a drunken free for all on many evenings. I'm not saying that this is the what is actually happening but the perception is getting out there on social media. The family happily eating ice cream on 2nd Ave doesn't get as many "views, likes, retweets" as the drunk falling off a party bus, on twitter. 

Balderdash.

Why did Alliance Bernstein locate their headquarters adjacent to an entertainment complex that has multiple bars, two live music venues and two concert venues?

Why are Amazon and Pinnacle locating their offices across the street from a future entertainment district where alcohol will be in abundance?

Why is Oracle placing an office in an area sure to have alcohol serving entertainment venues?

Why did Bridgestone and Assurion put their headquarters down the street from entertainment districts?

It looks like companies are seeing how Nashville is viewed as a fun place by productive adults and want to place their operations in downtown Nashville.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Licec

[LA_TN]

55 minutes ago, Licec said:

Balderdash.

Why did Alliance Bernstein locate their headquarters adjacent to an entertainment complex that has multiple bars, two live music venues and two concert venues?

Why are Amazon and Pinnacle locating their offices across the street from a future entertainment district where alcohol will be in abundance?

Why is Oracle placing an office in an area sure to have alcohol serving entertainment venues?

Why did Bridgestone and Assurion put their headquarters down the street from entertainment districts?

It looks like companies are seeing how Nashville is viewed as a fun place by productive adults and want to place their operations in downtown Nashville.

This is getting a bit out of hand. And let's not call people "imbeciles", please

Nobody is trying to shut down lower Broadway. The point of this discussion is to keep Lower Broadway from spiraling down hill to the point where companies and residents want to leave downtown. Nashville is seen as a fun safe place to visit and we just want to ensure that it stays that way

[Nash_12South]

The current conversation is pretty much about party vehicles, their explosive growth and lack of rules. It’s not really about lower Broadway. Lower Broadway works as a rowdy zone. 
I will say all these businesses made their decisions to come here prior to the party vehicle bonanza. I’ll also note Pinnacle is making, what will be an expensive move, away from lower Broadway.
I really don’t think that prospective Ritz Carlton condo buyers will be impressed by a steady stream of peddle taverns parading in front of them on a daily basis and that’s where we are headed if we add 30 new ones a month. 
We are heading toward multiple, different, entertainment districts. All this discussion is really about is just maybe limiting a tractor pulling a bunch of drunken bachelorettes to a specific area, and not half the CBD, with defined rules. Is that really not up for discussion?


 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Nash_12South

[downtownresident]

5 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

The current conversation is pretty much about party vehicles, their explosive growth and lack of rules. It’s not really about lower Broadway. Lower Broadway works as a rowdy zone. 
I will say all these businesses made their decisions to come here prior to the party vehicle bonanza. I’ll also note Pinnacle is making, what will be an expensive move, away from lower Broadway.
I really don’t think that prospective Ritz Carlton condo buyers will be impressed by a steady stream of peddle taverns parading in front of them on a daily basis and that’s where we are headed if we add 30 new ones a month. 
We are heading toward multiple, different, entertainment districts. All this discussion is really about is just maybe limiting a tractor pulling a bunch of drunken bachelorettes to a specific area, and not half the CBD, with defined rules. Is that really not up for discussion?


 

Yep, I’m sure the buyers at the Four Seasons and future Ritz Carlton would be absolutely thrilled to have the Nashville Party Tractor roll by at 12:15am, which just happened here at Encore. 

[markhollin]

One of the issues that needs to be addressed with some of these transpotainment entities is the concert-level volume that they employ on their sound systems.  They are often ridiculously LOUD to the point of pedestrians (that easily outnumber the riders) being unable to have a normal conversation with someone while walking on the sidewalk when they are within 75 feet. I've seen numerous people cover their ears a la when a firetrucks goes screaming by with their sirens ablaze.  Bro-Country is bad enough on its own, but when blasted at 120 decibels on public streets (especially those surrounded by taller buildings where the sound waves reverberate even further) it is the definition of rude and completely tone deaf to their surroundings. 

[rolly]

14 hours ago, downtownresident said:

Yep, I’m sure the buyers at the Four Seasons and future Ritz Carlton would be absolutely thrilled to have the Nashville Party Tractor roll by at 12:15am, which just happened here at Encore. 

Yet Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton are building there in full knowledge of the crazy rowdy tourist scene there. 

And when you moved there, you knew what the area was like.    It's like people that move near the airport and then complain about it and demand the area change for them.

[FrankNash]

^^^I was at Gumbo Bros in the Gulch last night around 9:30pm waiting on to go food when a party bus came by at a very loud level of music.  IMO this should be only allowed on lower broadway.  

[downtownresident]

7 minutes ago, rolly said:

Yet Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton are building there in full knowledge of the crazy rowdy tourist scene there. 

And when you moved there, you knew what the area was like.    It's like people that move near the airport and then complain about it and demand the area change for them.

I moved down there prior to the current party bus craze. We had peddle taverns, but those stop circulating at 10pm.  Encore opened in 2009, well before the current party bus craze. 

[Mr_Bond]

7 minutes ago, FrankNash said:

^^^I was at Gumbo Bros in the Gulch last night around 9:30pm waiting on to go food when a party bus came by at a very loud level of music.  IMO this should be only allowed on lower broadway.  

On Friday and Saturday nights, the last party bus comes through about 11:25 PM.

On Friday morning, Councilman Freddie O’Connell (District 19 that includes most of downtown) filed a bill to establish a new regulatory framework for entertainment transportation vehicles.  This bill is an important part of ongoing work with the CVC, the Chamber and other groups to address significant concerns related to keeping downtown clean and safe, and reducing noise and congestion.

In support of this bill, there will be a statement issued jointly by the Chamber, CVC, and Nashville Downtown Partnership.

[Nash_12South]

The party vehicle expansion/sudden growth debatably started just prior to Covid hitting and long after the Four Seasons was announced. The Ritz very likely is pretty sure the city will deal with this long before sales start, which it seems to be doing. 
Let’s take a poll of developers/downtown residents and see how happy they are with the current situation. I listen more to these folks, who are there on a daily or consistent basis, investing their money. If all was perfect this would not be happening. 
The party vehicles are not going away, that’s not the question. They will just be more regulated. 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Nash_12South

[downtownresident]

4 hours ago, Nash_12South said:

The party vehicles are not going away, that’s not the question. They will just be more regulated. 

Yep. I don’t think they should be gone entirely, we just need a set of ground rules to keep them responsible. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by downtownresident

[smeagolsfree]

I think Freddie’s bill from what it looked like is going to make the operators be more like bartenders in a way. I just caught a little snippet, but if that is the case then liability goes to the server and the establishment if there are accidents and overconsumption of alcoholic beverages and then they could loose their liquor  license as they would have to have one to serve, thus in effect putting them out of business or at least not able to serve alcohol, but I may be off on this scenario but that may be the route they are taking.

As for the noise, I will bet Metro will start anytime cracking down on the noise ordinance and writing the operators citations.

[PaulChinetti]

Just treat them like bars. Have to have a bartender and if someone is over served, they have the same penalty as a bar.  

[samsonh]

5 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Just treat them like bars. Have to have a bartender and if someone is over served, they have the same penalty as a bar.  

This seems like a good compromise. Don’t want to ruin small businesses but tourists need to be held accountable. Follow @scannashville for one weekend to see how bad it’s gotten with the fights downtown.

[donNdonelson2]

34 minutes ago, samsonh said:

This seems like a good compromise. Don’t want to ruin small businesses but tourists need to be held accountable. Follow @scannashville for one weekend to see how bad it’s gotten with the fights downtown.

WOW, this is fascinating (and a little frightening). A few screenshots from the last hour.