Nashville Bits and Pieces

[MontanaGuy]

21 minutes ago, timmay143 said:

Don't know if anybody has heard of Harry Mack but...

I'm not really into that kind of music but this guy is seriously good at putting together impromptu lyrics that rhyme, I'll bet he picks up a lot of girls too! lol

[PaulChinetti]

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2022/03/28/nasvhille-grapples-height-policy-new-skyscrapers-climb/9454604002

Did you all see this? It's a long article, but does this person really thing Rutledge Hill is the "edge of downtown"? You are in the urban core my dude, unless you bought your air rights, not sure what you have to complain about.

"He felt comfortable moving into a neighborhood at the edge of downtown that would remain residential, with towers scaling mid-rise at most. He knew before making the leap that he was settling into a city continuously on the rise. What he didn’t know was that the sky might be the limit.  "I foolishly relied on the Downtown Code,” Snyder said Wednesday. "

[subkyle]

2 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2022/03/28/nasvhille-grapples-height-policy-new-skyscrapers-climb/9454604002

Did you all see this? It's a long article, but does this person really thing Rutledge Hill is the "edge of downtown"? You are in the urban core my dude, unless you bought your air rights, not sure what you have to complain about.

"He felt comfortable moving into a neighborhood at the edge of downtown that would remain residential, with towers scaling mid-rise at most. He knew before making the leap that he was settling into a city continuously on the rise. What he didn’t know was that the sky might be the limit.  "I foolishly relied on the Downtown Code,” Snyder said Wednesday. "

I read it this morning and it made me want to puke. The resident that said the lawsuit is not about his views of the city. That’s complete bs, would he be suing if this project was three blocks to the west? If he had done his due diligence he would know about the bonus height program and he would know that developers have been using it fair and square. 

[downtownresident]

12 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2022/03/28/nasvhille-grapples-height-policy-new-skyscrapers-climb/9454604002

Did you all see this? It's a long article, but does this person really thing Rutledge Hill is the "edge of downtown"? You are in the urban core my dude, unless you bought your air rights, not sure what you have to complain about.

"He felt comfortable moving into a neighborhood at the edge of downtown that would remain residential, with towers scaling mid-rise at most. He knew before making the leap that he was settling into a city continuously on the rise. What he didn’t know was that the sky might be the limit.  "I foolishly relied on the Downtown Code,” Snyder said Wednesday. "

Planning seems to be utilizing the allowed built square footage at the bonus height maximum as the guideline(for 2nd and Peabody and the Centrum development), which is fair in my opinion. 
 

I imagine that the reworked overall height modification will have more specific guidelines rather than the fairly open guidelines we have now.
 

IMO, if Mr. Snyder read the entire DTC these types of requests and subsequent approvals would not have been outside the realm of possibility given that they’re a block away from unlimited height under the bonus height program, and the overall height modification does not mention any limits to height at all.

[MLBrumby]

50 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2022/03/28/nasvhille-grapples-height-policy-new-skyscrapers-climb/9454604002

Did you all see this? It's a long article, but does this person really thing Rutledge Hill is the "edge of downtown"? You are in the urban core my dude, unless you bought your air rights, not sure what you have to complain about.

"He felt comfortable moving into a neighborhood at the edge of downtown that would remain residential, with towers scaling mid-rise at most. He knew before making the leap that he was settling into a city continuously on the rise. What he didn’t know was that the sky might be the limit.  "I foolishly relied on the Downtown Code,” Snyder said Wednesday. "

Also from the article...  

Entering Nashville's downtown real estate market is no easy feat, as the city’s exponential growth requires candidates to spend big to secure land. That pushes developers to seek more building height to justify the cost, Commissioner Jeff Haynes said during a work session Tuesday. He's voted against overall height modifications in the past, saying the department needs to think seriously about the developments' impact. 

The Planning Department has a moving target of increasing the downtown population from 15,000 residents to 41,000 by the end of the year. They also are aiming for 110,000 jobs in the area.

My comment:  Jeff Haynes, on the Planning Commission, is the managing partner of Boyle Investment Co., a firm actively involved in developing buildings across Nashville including the large Capitol View neighborhood.  So how is this not a potential conflict of interest?  Haynes was also the key vote in blocking Giarratana's 70-story residential tower proposal at the site of Church Street park.

 

[smeagolsfree]

1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

increasing the downtown population from 15,000 residents to 41,000 by the end of the year.

I think that has to be a bit of bad info and may be the end of the decade.

[markhollin]

Premier Parking, which owns about 30,000 parking spaces in Nashville, has been purchased by Metropolis Technologies, Inc.  The latter plan on hiring 100 Nashville employees this year. 

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/inno/stories/news/2022/03/30/metropolis-acquires-premier.html

[smeagolsfree]

Google street view updated about two weeks ago.  It looks as if some of it was updated the same day the first crane was going up at Pinnacle.

 

[Mr_Bond]

On 3/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, markhollin said:

Premier Parking, which owns about 30,000 parking spaces in Nashville, has been purchased by Metropolis Technologies, Inc.  The latter plan on hiring 100 Nashville employees this year. 

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/inno/stories/news/2022/03/30/metropolis-acquires-premier.html

Doesn't Tony G. own Premier?  If so, this would give him more money to build... Paramount!!!!

[smeagolsfree]

10 hours ago, Mr_Bond said:

Doesn't Tony G. own Premier?  If so, this would give him more money to build... Paramount!!!!

Tony sold Premier about 4 years ago.

[MLBrumby]

Just scanning the "paper" this morning, I stumbled across this photo and caption in the regular Tennessean feature "A Look Back..." to April 1962.  I find it stunning how so many were willing to destroy (and did) so many historical structures in the name of "renewal".  Atlanta destroyed its two main passenger rail terminals during this time, and lost that part of history forever. Three of their grandest hotels in the CBD were demolished. I don't want to beat up too much on ATL because I think they've done better at preservation than most sunbelt cities.

 

(Aerial photo of Union Station)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/03/29/PNAS/6f6ad49e-4d5d-4baf-bfc6-102a7f4f3c56-62then04-058.jpg?width=2560

 

Sturdy, historic Union Station, here center April 20, 1962, will pass into oblivion to make way for expansion of the post office if federal authorities decide to accept an offer by the Louisville & Nashville Railroad to make this possible. The station would be razed under that play, with a three-floor structure to be built to provide railroad space at the track level and postal space on the upper floors. A post office survey team will study the feasibility of making a multimillion-dollar post expansion under this plan.

ELDRED REANEY / THE TENNESSEAN

Edited April 6, 2022 by MLBrumby

[andywildman]

On 4/6/2022 at 6:35 AM, MLBrumby said:

Just scanning the "paper" this morning, I stumbled across this photo and caption in the regular Tennessean feature "A Look Back..." to April 1962.  I find it stunning how so many were willing to destroy (and did) so many historical structures in the name of "renewal".  Atlanta destroyed its two main passenger rail terminals during this time, and lost that part of history forever. Three of their grandest hotels in the CBD were demolished. I don't want to beat up too much on ATL because I think they've done better at preservation than most sunbelt cities.

 

(Aerial photo of Union Station)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/03/29/PNAS/6f6ad49e-4d5d-4baf-bfc6-102a7f4f3c56-62then04-058.jpg?width=2560

 

Sturdy, historic Union Station, here center April 20, 1962, will pass into oblivion to make way for expansion of the post office if federal authorities decide to accept an offer by the Louisville & Nashville Railroad to make this possible. The station would be razed under that play, with a three-floor structure to be built to provide railroad space at the track level and postal space on the upper floors. A post office survey team will study the feasibility of making a multimillion-dollar post expansion under this plan.

ELDRED REANEY / THE TENNESSEAN

I could look at that picture for hours! The railroad ROW was so wide. Look at all those surface lots already spreading in the foreground! Bizarre to see the west side of the Gulch leading to midtown without the interstate slashing through the neighborhood.

[rookzie]

On 4/6/2022 at 6:35 AM, MLBrumby said:

Just scanning the "paper" this morning, I stumbled across this photo and caption in the regular Tennessean feature "A Look Back..." to April 1962.  I find it stunning how so many were willing to destroy (and did) so many historical structures in the name of "renewal".  Atlanta destroyed its two main passenger rail terminals during this time, and lost that part of history forever. Three of their grandest hotels in the CBD were demolished. I don't want to beat up too much on ATL because I think they've done better at preservation than most sunbelt cities.

 

(Aerial photo of Union Station)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/03/29/PNAS/6f6ad49e-4d5d-4baf-bfc6-102a7f4f3c56-62then04-058.jpg?width=2560

 

Sturdy, historic Union Station, here center April 20, 1962, will pass into oblivion to make way for expansion of the post office if federal authorities decide to accept an offer by the Louisville & Nashville Railroad to make this possible. The station would be razed under that play, with a three-floor structure to be built to provide railroad space at the track level and postal space on the upper floors. A post office survey team will study the feasibility of making a multimillion-dollar post expansion under this plan.

ELDRED REANEY / THE TENNESSEAN

I realize that the publishing had been just another morsel of sensationalism.   Actually, both Atlanta's Union Station and Terminal Station we’re still extent  extant and in use through early 1971.  “Terminal Station” was the actual name for several passenger head-houses owned by the Southern Railway ─ another being in Chattanooga.  I rode some of last runs to and from those stations in summer 1970, the last time I would see those sites intact.  Union Station, on Forsyth Street, was very close to Atlanta’s then-famous Rich’s Department Store.   

As far as the expanse of railroad tracks in central core areas was concerned, such a sight was still common nationwide into the early 1970s, and not only in Nashville and the much bigger and multiple examples of Chicago alone.  They usually were in the form of plateaus or gulches, as with Buffalo, Cincinnati, Louisville, and Kansas City — just to mention a few.  Rail was the primary mode to get from downtown to downtown, so that required multiple facilities for collateral operations.  Also, as in the case of Nashville, freight terminals  were nearby on the same grounds, where shippers and recipients of cargo and express would interact directly with railway agents.  That's why Nashville had such a humongous freight terminal that extended from Broadway to Church and from Church to near Charlotte.  (Radnor was used primarily for railway freight-car interchange and train make-up)

Naturally then private railroad companies would spin off surplus assets back then.  But in 1962, passenger rail was yet still a bit bustling with backed up lines at the escalator, not only at Atlanta’s Union Station, but at Nashville’s as well.  That noticeably had changed around 1964-65, when Nashville still was served by about a dozen trains daily.   By March 1968, the train count had dwindled to around 7 trains daily, reduced again by 2 (to 5) in January 1969.  It wasn't until around 1970-71 that these expanses or tracks would become nearly totally empty and soon thereafter "headless" without a passenger station (as with Atlanta).

Edited April 10, 2022 by rookzie

[PaulChinetti]

Google needs to update, the view right now would be so much different than even this.

[nashscan]

10 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

Google needs to update, the view right now would be so much different than even this.

I googled this out of curiosity, because their 45 degree angle imagery is really cool.  I can't find anything other than news articles from 2012 talking about the deployment of airplanes used to gather this imagery.  

[PaulChinetti]

Apples isn’t much better the Lifeway building is down but not much difference. I guess doing this shoots must be more intensive somehow. 

[markhollin]

Metro Council approves $15.5 million in grants from the Barnes Housing Trust Fund.

More at The Tennessean here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/davidson/2022/04/08/council-approves-15-5-m-barnes-fund-affordable-housing-grants/9462042002/

[nashville born]

On 4/9/2022 at 9:22 AM, PaulChinetti said:

Apples isn’t much better the Lifeway building is down but not much difference. I guess doing this shoots must be more intensive somehow. 

I'm seeing this updated view on Google Maps.  The Globe view (3D) version is not this updated.

[smeagolsfree]

The street view is recently updated as of a couple of weeks ago.

[markhollin]

Graphs and charts on county-by-county stats in Tennessee on the 2020 Census:

https://data.tennessean.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/tennessee/040-47/

[bnacincy]

I read somewhere that Davidson County actually lost population in 2021.

Can anyone confirm?

[smeagolsfree]

I see different populations depending on the source you use.

[chris holman]

Investment firm CapitalSpring joins a growing list of New York City financial firms that have left the Big Apple for Music City

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/04/12/investment-firm-capitalspring-has-moved-its-hq.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_NA&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Edited April 13, 2022 by chris holman

[UTgrad09]

7 hours ago, bnacincy said:

I read somewhere that Davidson County actually lost population in 2021.

Can anyone confirm?

Estimated to have lost ≠actually lost. It's from the Census Bureau's yearly estimates, which were especially brutal to urban counties across the country.

It is *possible* that Davidson County lost population -- but given everything we've seen happen here, I don't think it is very likely. I would not be surprised if the "loss" is revised in later estimates to be less, or even a small gain. But that is speculation on my part.

[nashville born]

15 hours ago, chris holman said:

Investment firm CapitalSpring joins a growing list of New York City financial firms that have left the Big Apple for Music City

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/04/12/investment-firm-capitalspring-has-moved-its-hq.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_NA&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Imagine if Nashville were to become  a major tech AND financial center.