Nashville Bits and Pieces

[titanhog]

Just now, natethegreat said:

I agree it applies to both. I’m just saying there’s a selection factor of people that would want to spend their hard earned time + money to attend a polarized political conference. No one who is moderate / level-headed would attend these things. For that reason, I don’t want them coming to the city. 

I don’t fear the people inside the buildings (RNC or DNC) as much as the ones outside.

[smeagolsfree]

I agree with all of the above comments. If they could just build a CC with just enough hotels for the attendees in Death Valley and have it there, that would be the perfect place. Then all of the nut jobs would either die getting there or die when they got there form the heat or lack of water. They would not even need security. Nature would take its course. The Park system could charge an entry fee of $50 per person just to get into the park and make money off the deal.

Let's make it a permanent location for both of the conventions.

[Rick Dalton]

Separate note - what’s the latest on Oracle? It’s been quiet (it seems)

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

I agree with all of the above comments. If they could just build a CC with just enough hotels for the attendees in Death Valley and have it there, that would be the perfect place. Then all of the nut jobs would either die getting there or die when they got there form the heat or lack of water. They would not even need security. Nature would take its course. The Park system could charge an entry fee of $50 per person just to get into the park and make money off the deal.

Let's make it a permanent location for both of the conventions.

This is why the moon makes the perfect location.

[smeagolsfree]

59 minutes ago, natethegreat said:

Separate note - what’s the latest on Oracle? It’s been quiet (it seems)

Guys, we have someone on this board that is very, very involved with the project and it is moving forward. 

It also just passed the Industrial Development Board.

[rookzie]

Just let the RNC convention go to Milwaukee. Besides, it hosted the 2020 DNC convention.

Given that the Wisconsin G.O.P. Senate has "adopted" (contrived) a method of keeping past-appointed G.O.P. board members in office, by refusing to confirm replacements nominated by the state’s current Democratic Governor, effectively it has exploited a loophole that focuses on bureaucratic technical matters to seemingly “endorse” a scheme to seize unilateral control of state boards.  It’s done this consistently by declining to confirm appointments by the Governor.  The state Supreme Court recently upheld the state Senate’s intransigence in blocking (nearly) all appointments.

We don’t need to engender in Nashville the degree of historical polarity I’ve observed in Madison, Milwaukee, and Racine — and more recently, Kenosha.  IMO the state of volatility that has evolved in Wisconsin probably renders Milwaukee a better fit for absorbing the shockwaves that often have accompanied such “trophy” events.  Just sayin’..

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by rookzie

[titanhog]

2 hours ago, rookzie said:

Just let the RNC convention go to Milwaukee. Besides, it hosted the 2020 DNC convention.

Given that the Wisconsin G.O.P. Senate's method of keeping past-appointed G.O.P. board members in office, by refusing to confirm replacements nominated by the state’s current Democratic Governor, effectively it has exploited a loophole that focuses on bureaucratic technical matters to seemingly “endorse” a scheme to seize unilateral control of state boards.  It’s done this consistently by declining to confirm appointments by the Governor.  The state Supreme Court recently upheld the state Senate’s intransigence in blocking (nearly) all appointments.

We don’t need to engender in Nashville the degree of historical polarity I’ve observed in Madison, Milwaukee, and Racine — and more recently, Kenosha.  IMO the state of volatility that has evolved in Wisconsin probably renders Milwaukee a better fit for absorbing the shockwaves that often have accompanied such “trophy” events.  Just sayin’..

 

Plus…it’s a swing state for both parties.  I always thought the parties wanted to go to swing states anyway.

[rookzie]

4 hours ago, titanhog said:

Plus…it’s a swing state for both parties.  I always thought the parties wanted to go to swing states anyway.

Great point....

I can understand those whose sentiment and theory supposes that increased spending in a state around a national convention increases total per-capita earnings  in the accommodations-,  retail-, and service sectors, and that a multiplier effect means that campaign spending would result in proportionally more dollars in the state economy.  The thing is, an accurate evaluation of economic benefit often fails to account for the offset effect by displacement of normal local commercial activities.   Roughly half of all security expenditures for these events is typically spent on non-local personnel, and wages earned by temporary workers often are not recirculated in the local economy, after the event has ended.  Therefore, it can be questionable whether or not such spending should even count as economic impact for the hosting city.

Beyond that, it would seem somewhat short-sighted to host a national convention, with respect to the targeted benefit of the national convention itself, as far as wide-range party-induced influence on delegate selection of party nominees is concerned.  Tennessee has been reliably Republican as a whole,  since the mid-late 20th century, although actually had been considered a swing state during much of that period.  Nowadays, both the Democratic Party and Republican Party usually have only held their conventions in swing states.  It would just seem to be somewhat of a waste to host the RNC (or the DNC) in a state which already has evolved into having a "cemented", "hard-wired" party affiliation ─ not to say that the pendulum wouldn't swing back to the other way before the turn of 22nd century.

Edited July 7, 2022 by rookzie
22nd, not 22st! [Tacky..]

[titanhog]

2 hours ago, rookzie said:

Great point....

I can understand those whose sentiment and theory supposes that increased spending in a state around a national convention increases total per-capita earnings  in the accommodations-,  retail-, and service sectors, and that a multiplier effect means that campaign spending would result in proportionally more dollars in the state economy.  The thing is, an accurate evaluation of economic benefit often fails to account for the offset effect by displacement of normal local commercial activities.   Roughly half of all security expenditures for these events is typically spent on non-local personnel, and wages earned by temporary workers often are not recirculated in the local economy, after the event has ended.  Therefore, it can be questionable whether or not such spending should even count as economic impact for the hosting city.

Beyond that, it would seem somewhat short-sighted to host a national convention, with respect to the targeted benefit of the national convention itself, as far as wide-range party-induced influence on delegate selection of party nominees is concerned.  Tennessee has been reliably Republican as a whole,  since the mid-late 20th century, although actually had been considered a swing state during much of that period.  Nowadays, both the Democratic Party and Republican Party usually have only held their conventions in swing states.  It would just seem to be somewhat of a waste to host the RNC (or the DNC) in a state which already has evolved into having a "cemented", "hard-wired" party affiliation ─ not to say that the pendulum wouldn't swing back to the other way before the turn of 22st century.

Yep.  I’ve gone back and looked at states just over the past 60-70 years…and it’s amazing how many swing back and forth.  Even California used to be a Republican state.  Tennessee was pretty much a Democrat state until the late 90’s, early 2000’s.  Of course, there used to always be exceptions…like when guys like Nixon or Reagan swept most every state.  I’m sure Kennedy would have swept most Republican states in 64, if not for Oswald.  There will probably be a day when the south is Democrat again…and NY and CA are Republican again.  Times change.

[smeagolsfree]

10 hours ago, titanhog said:

Yep.  I’ve gone back and looked at states just over the past 60-70 years…and it’s amazing how many swing back and forth.  Even California used to be a Republican state.  Tennessee was pretty much a Democrat state until the late 90’s, early 2000’s.  Of course, there used to always be exceptions…like when guys like Nixon or Reagan swept most every state.  I’m sure Kennedy would have swept most Republican states in 64, if not for Oswald.  There will probably be a day when the south is Democrat again…and NY and CA are Republican again.  Times change.

And times will change again. Everyone thinks that they will stay the same, but they will not. The pendulum will swing back the other way, but it just takes time. That will be the hard truth the Dems are learning now and will be the hard truth the hard-core conservatives will learn in about 10 years when Millennials and gen X & Z's take over and the Boomers start dying out in droves.  At the end of this decade is when the Boomers will start to take a huge numbers hit. That will not bode well for states like Florida, North Carolina, and a few others that have a lot of retired people and are very close as far as swing states. 

[Bos2Nash]

What's unfortunate is there are plenty of the younger generations that sit on the "far ends" of the political spectrum nowadays, and it blows my mind. I agree with all the sentiments above in that the conventions can get out (and go to the moon please) and the swinging of the politics. I think we are at a point now, country-wise, that the pendulum swing is at its far reaches and Nashville/TN is kind of an example of that. The state has viewed some of the moves by the city as far left and the city views the state as far right, these are at the outer swings of the pendulum and it is obviously hurting the common person a lot more than any politician will want to admit.

[PaulChinetti]

What's silly (humorous even) about our entire political spectrum is that to the rest of the world, even the most far left are still considering barley liberal or even center of the road.

On a more Nashville note, I heard on that radio this morning that Nashville is expected to have the hottest temperature in the entire US today, go Nashville!

From NashSevereWx - "Excessive Heat Warning for the afternoon, heat index as high as 110°+ due to mid 70°s dewpoints and a high temp of 98°"

Edited July 7, 2022 by PaulChinetti
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[Luvemtall]

1 hour ago, PaulChinetti said:

From NashSevereWx - "Excessive Heat Warning for the afternoon, heat index as high as 110°+ due to mid 70°s dewpoints and a high temp of 98°"

Well you know everyone says …. Nashville’s Hot . Ha ha, anyway I was just out at a construction site here in Lebanon for a friend, and it is extremely uncomfortable. A/C in truck is cranking!!

[markhollin]

One last 4th of July pic (courtesy of musiccityproverb):

[Nashvillain]

"GOP leaders ponder drastic response to RNC withdrawal"

https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2022/07/08/tennessee-republicans-respond-nashville-rnc

Extortion. Instead of respecting that a mostly liberal-ish city doesn't want any part of hosting the RNC, the Republican state legislature reinforces its commitment to partisanship, extremism, pettiness, and just plain childishness. I'm sorry, but my reaction isn't political, it's factual. It's commonsense and reasonable. 

If their concern is the positive economic impact to the city and "small businesses," then show us the peer-reviewed studies that indicate that it will be thus. 

[BnaBreaker]

8 hours ago, Nashvillain said:

"GOP leaders ponder drastic response to RNC withdrawal"

https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2022/07/08/tennessee-republicans-respond-nashville-rnc

Extortion. Instead of respecting that a mostly liberal-ish city doesn't want any part of hosting the RNC, the Republican state legislature reinforces its commitment to partisanship, extremism, pettiness, and just plain childishness. I'm sorry, but my reaction isn't political, it's factual. It's commonsense and reasonable. 

If their concern is the positive economic impact to the city and "small businesses," then show us the peer-reviewed studies that indicate that it will be thus. 

Oh brother.  Of course they would act like children and take this personally.  Seems like those opposed have pretty rational arguments, most of which have nothing to do with politics.  Why any city would want that circus coming to town is beyond me.  

From the article: "A new north-south road along the East Bank of the Cumberland River, which would be a centerpiece of Mayor John Cooper's ambitious redevelopment plan, would be significantly less likely to receive state backing if the RNC legislation is not revived. Possible funding for a new Tennessee Performing Arts Center on the East Bank would be at risk, too."

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So they're threatening to cause harm to the state's largest city and economic engine because the city is having reservations about hosting a party for their buddies.  Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!  Could they be more short-sighted, petty, and reckless?  Good Lord.

Edited July 9, 2022 by BnaBreaker

[Nashvillain]

Furthermore, the party of "freedom" and "small government" would be the one to try to circumvent the decision of the duly elected representatives of the citizens of Nashville. I'm sure I'm leaning towards deletion of these posts, but I don't care. This is so outrageous. 

[dmillsphoto]

2 hours ago, Nashvillain said:

Furthermore, the party of "freedom" and "small government" would be the one to try to circumvent the decision of the duly elected representatives of the citizens of Nashville. I'm sure I'm leaning towards deletion of these posts, but I don't care. This is so outrageous. 

I'm supposed to be neutral here but... uhm... welcome to the new norm. It's terrifying. Not deleting and cannot agree more with you.

[Luvemtall]

I try to stay neutral also, in the past I’ve voted both ways depending on the best candidate. But today’s GOP is nothing but a bunch of bully’s , that if they don’t get their way they strong arm and pass laws that benefit only them and care less about anyone else that it hurts. It is disgraceful, and truly un-American. It’s becoming a dictatorship of selfish individuals, who care of no one .

[Rick Dalton]

Agree with everything said above. Modern GOP is such an embarrassment to legitimate conservatism.

[AsianintheNations]

On the topic of elections, but not relating to partisan debate, I was reviewing the Davidson County sample ballot and saw that the Charter Amendment No. 4 question discusses the creation of a Dept of Transportation and Multimodal Infrastructure in place of the Dept of Public Works. Didn't this restructuring functionally already happen a year ago? And if so, what would happen if the amendment ended up being rejected?

[titanhog]

Wow.  Have you guys even looked at the Democrat Party?  Good lord.  Yes…the state’s GOP is acting like spoiled brats…but to act like the Dem Party wouldn’t do the same damn thing is absolutely stunning.  Either you guys are so partisan you can’t see what’s happening in this nation coming from the left…or you just don’t care.  If you don’t think the right hates the left as much as you guys hate the right…and have just as many reasons to throw out there to show the stupidity of the left…then you’re misinformed.  You guys think the city should be able to do whatever it thinks is best for the city without thinking of the state or the dominant political party in the state…but would be ticked if it were the other way around.

Even though I don’t want a political convention here…what do you expect when a liberal city in a massive red state won’t fully consider the other party’s convention?

You guys remind me, once again, why this site fails when it doesn’t have to.

[fishsticks176]

1 hour ago, titanhog said:

Wow.  Have you guys even looked at the Democrat Party?  Good lord.  Yes…the state’s GOP is acting like spoiled brats…but to act like the Dem Party wouldn’t do the same damn thing is absolutely stunning.  Either you guys are so partisan you can’t see what’s happening in this nation coming from the left…or you just don’t care.  If you don’t think the right hates the left as much as you guys hate the right…and have just as many reasons to throw out there to show the stupidity of the left…then you’re misinformed.  You guys think the city should be able to do whatever it thinks is best for the city without thinking of the state or the dominant political party in the state…but would be ticked if it were the other way around.

Even though I don’t want a political convention here…what do you expect when a liberal city in a massive red state won’t fully consider the other party’s convention?

You guys remind me, once again, why this site fails when it doesn’t have to.

List the comparable reasons. 

[BnaBreaker]

3 hours ago, titanhog said:

Wow.  Have you guys even looked at the Democrat Party?  Good lord.  Yes…the state’s GOP is acting like spoiled brats…but to act like the Dem Party wouldn’t do the same damn thing is absolutely stunning.  Either you guys are so partisan you can’t see what’s happening in this nation coming from the left…or you just don’t care.  If you don’t think the right hates the left as much as you guys hate the right…and have just as many reasons to throw out there to show the stupidity of the left…then you’re misinformed.  You guys think the city should be able to do whatever it thinks is best for the city without thinking of the state or the dominant political party in the state…but would be ticked if it were the other way around.

Even though I don’t want a political convention here…what do you expect when a liberal city in a massive red state won’t fully consider the other party’s convention?

You guys remind me, once again, why this site fails when it doesn’t have to.

There's no reason to take this personally my friend.  We're all on the same side here on this issue, and those being referenced are people who are running the party at the state level, and not average citizens like you or I.  We've all made sure throughout this whole convention saga to specify that we'd be more or less equally opposed to either convention being here, and as such, would be equally opposed to any strong arm tactics if it were the other side doing it too, but in this case, they're not the one's doing it, so they're not being discussed, and why would they be?  I mean you clearly disagree with the state government's actions in this instance as well, so can we not just call a spade a spade without getting into some sort of needless political tit for tat?    

Edited July 9, 2022 by BnaBreaker

[Luvemtall]

Yes , Titanhog. As BnaBreaker mentioned above, it’s BOTH conventions that we all don’t want. I myself was referring to the way the top brass of the GOP is becoming. As I said I’m in the middle, sometimes as mentioned we need to call a spade a spade. It’s nothing personal, you are loved here . Please let’s just move on to our beloved city of Nashville and let these cards fall as they may.