Nashville Bits and Pieces

[bnacincy]

We've had Raising Cane's up here for a while.....pretty decent stuff for fast food....should do well on Lower Broad.

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, bnacincy said:

We've had Raising Cane's up here for a while.....pretty decent stuff for fast food....should do well on Lower Broad.

I really don't understand the appeal of a restaurant that only sells chicken fingers personally, but I do think that if a place like that exists, Lower Broad is the perfect location for it.  I'm sure they'll do bang up business down there. 

[Bos2Nash]

They got their start building up around college campuses. It's almost like they know the demographic they are going after haha

[Nash_12South]

Batey Gresham, co-founder of Gresham Smith has passed away. 
 

https://www.wsmv.com/2022/08/08/batey-gresham-co-founder-gresham-smith-dies-age-88/

[Rick Dalton]

Is anybody planning to do anything about the hundreds of junkies roaming the streets downtown? I know it’s a tough issue, but I thought it was made illegal? Just this morning outside of the library, junkies screaming at other each loud so loud the cops had to come. The whole stretch from the library to the capital building is a mess.

[smeagolsfree]

I misread that at first, I thought you were talking about the library junkies! You know how those veracious readers are. JK.

It is the same on Saturdays when we are having our meets sometimes. These people are not just yelling at each other but just screaming at the world. Mentally ill folks or just plain high, you just never know anymore.

Is the park out of control again, or is this just the crazy group waiting to get inside the library to mess the restrooms up?

[Rick Dalton]

24 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I misread that at first, I thought you were talking about the library junkies! You know how those veracious readers are. JK.

It is the same on Saturdays when we are having our meets sometimes. These people are not just yelling at each other but just screaming at the world. Mentally ill folks or just plain high, you just never know anymore.

Is the park out of control again, or is this just the crazy group waiting to get inside the library to mess the restrooms up?

The park is better because they usually have security guards. But the whole area around the library and the surrounding blocks is a mess. It’s really frustrating to see tourists get bothered by them.

[smeagolsfree]

Looks as if Metro needs to hire Library Police at several branches. I can think of two right off the bat. Downtown and Looby. Both of these have had problems all be it different kinds of problems. The downtown branch we all know about and the Looby branch has had issues with youth causing problems outside the branch in the parking lot. A lot of that has to do with the Community Center being attached to the library and I think that is the main problem.

[BnaBreaker]

5 hours ago, natethegreat said:

Is anybody planning to do anything about the hundreds of junkies roaming the streets downtown? I know it’s a tough issue, but I thought it was made illegal? Just this morning outside of the library, junkies screaming at other each loud so loud the cops had to come. The whole stretch from the library to the capital building is a mess.

Making it illegal to be a mentally ill junkie isn't going to make them stop being mentally ill junkies though, because addiction and mental illness isn't dependent on the legality of the matter.  Presumably we're not going to lock them away forever, and please correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) but I can't really see Tennessee being a state that is willing to pay to provide them with psychiatric care and drug rehabilitation  while in prison.  So that means in a matter of how ever many months, they'll still be homeless, and mentally ill, and a junkie, and back to roaming the streets once more.  In my opinion the only real solution is that we've got to invest way more in treatment and housing programs.  Who knows where that money would come from though.  

Edited August 9, 2022 by BnaBreaker

[MontanaGuy]

22 minutes ago, BnaBreaker said:

In my opinion the only real solution is that we've got to invest way more in treatment and housing programs.  Who knows where that money would come from though.  

I agree but there's one unpleasant fact about the whole situation that we don't know how to address.  There's a population of people in this country who will never be able to take care of themselves no matter what we do and no amount of good will, money or treatment is going to change that.  I think the most humane thing would be to house them in institutions where they're not allowed to leave and to make every effort to weed out the few who might respond to treatment to give them a path forward.  That's going to sound barbaric to some but when they make their own decisions they always end up hurting themselves or innocent people around them.  I don't like the sound of it either but I've never heard a realistic solution that would actually work.  

[Baronakim]

If the same kind of crap with the homeless junkies was happening on Church Street when THIS photo was taken, I think the problem would have lasted about 10 minutes.  Mollycoddling them is not going to work.  Having worked for decades with homeless, I think these folks are clearly a danger to public safety.

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Baronakim

[BnaBreaker]

4 hours ago, MontanaGuy said:

I agree but there's one unpleasant fact about the whole situation that we don't know how to address.  There's a population of people in this country who will never be able to take care of themselves no matter what we do and no amount of good will, money or treatment is going to change that.  I think the most humane thing would be to house them in institutions where they're not allowed to leave and to make every effort to weed out the few who might respond to treatment to give them a path forward.  That's going to sound barbaric to some but when they make their own decisions they always end up hurting themselves or innocent people around them.  I don't like the sound of it either but I've never heard a realistic solution that would actually work.  

Point taken, and I don't necessarily disagree in principle or consider your position to be a different side of the coin.  I think we all agree that the bottom line is that these people should be off the streets, for the sake of everyone, including themselves.  Especially themselves.  It would be difficult if not impossible to provide housing, jobs training, drug treatment, psychiatric support etc. etc. to each one of them, so perhaps the answer is to put those that have been out there for longer than a year or more (because sometimes people are just temporarily down on their luck)  in a sort of halfway house facility in which they can seek help if that is indeed an option, or simply be kept indefinitely in a sort of low security nursing home  style set up in which care and visitation are provided if it is deemed that they are beyond assistance.  I just don't think an endless cycle of tossing them in prison for a few months, letting them rot there and become even more unstable and dependent on drugs, then let them back out onto the streets in even worse shape is the answer.  

55 minutes ago, Baronakim said:

If the same kind of crap with the homeless junkies was happening on Church Street when THIS photo was taken, I think the problem would have lasted about 10 minutes.  Mollycoddling them is not going to work.  Having worked for decades with homeless, I think these folks are clearly a danger to public safety.

 

I'd be curious to know what capacity you worked with the homeless if your ultimate conclusion was that "those folks" are all a danger to society.  

[Baronakim]

13 hours ago, BnaBreaker said:

Point taken, and I don't necessarily disagree in principle or consider your position to be a different side of the coin.  I think we all agree that the bottom line is that these people should be off the streets, for the sake of everyone, including themselves.  Especially themselves.  It would be difficult if not impossible to provide housing, jobs training, drug treatment, psychiatric support etc. etc. to each one of them, so perhaps the answer is to put those that have been out there for longer than a year or more (because sometimes people are just temporarily down on their luck)  in a sort of halfway house facility in which they can seek help if that is indeed an option, or simply be kept indefinitely in a sort of low security nursing home  style set up in which care and visitation are provided if it is deemed that they are beyond assistance.  I just don't think an endless cycle of tossing them in prison for a few months, letting them rot there and become even more unstable and dependent on drugs, then let them back out onto the streets in even worse shape is the answer.  

I'd be curious to know what capacity you worked with the homeless if your ultimate conclusion was that "those folks" are all a danger to society.  

For over 30 years I provided food, clothing, blankets (but no money) to individual homeless persons who had the good sense NOT to rely on (IMO) the corrupt agencies like the Rescue Mission.  These homeless I located in alleys, sidewalks that I traveled to and from work every weekday.  The traffic was so bad, I roamed the downtown for an hour or more until the southbound traffic was reduced.  i thought spending the time I spent delayed in commuting could be  put to a better use.  I took several homeless into my own home once I counted them as friends.  I know I kept at least a dozen of them from freezing to death by doing this.  I was able to get  several of them permanently off the streets and into safe and affordable housing... real apartments.  I was also able to provide them with supprt sufficient for some of them to get and hold real jobs.  I was also able to return a couple of them to their families in other cities.  I am still in contact with a few of them so if you want to talk to them, I can arrange it.  IMO "Those folks" I consider dangerous are the homeless who work the system and prey on other homeless either directly as victims of violence or those who prey on homeless through a false veil of religious piety.  I carried more than one homeless man to the EMTs at the fire stations or led EMTs to overdosed homeless persons.  I have also turned in several enablers who, for instance, bought and used illegal EBT cards as a regular businesss to proper authorities and shut them down.  All of this was of course rather dangerous to myself, but I never got robbed or injured.  Foolish i know, but I had no family to speak of left, so I decided to take that chance.  I no longer do this since I retired and no longer go to downtown Nashville very often. 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Baronakim

[satalac]

On 8/8/2022 at 7:28 PM, Nash_12South said:

Batey Gresham, co-founder of Gresham Smith has passed away. 
 

https://www.wsmv.com/2022/08/08/batey-gresham-co-founder-gresham-smith-dies-age-88/

My dad told me about this on Sunday, he worked for Batey at Gresham, Smith and Partners for 40 years. Batey was a good man and a big name in the industry. He'll be missed.

[smeagolsfree]

Just found out 2nd Ave South was renamed to President Ronald Reagan Way from KVB to Lindsley. Strange how this crap sneaks past me.

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[MLBrumby]

Ugh!!! The renaming of parts of streets in Nashville is insane!

[donNdonelson2]

6 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Ugh!!! The renaming of parts of streets in Nashville is insane!

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again…STOP the insanity of renaming streets. Set up a program of designating “honorary” street names that doesn’t require address changes and an upheaval and chaos for the already directionally challenged residents and tourists in this city!

[downtownresident]

That renaming you can blame the Lt. Governor. It was a tit-for-tat after metro renamed 5th Ave after Rep John Lewis. 

[grilled_cheese]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

Just found out 2nd Ave South was renamed to President Ronald Reagan Way from KVB to Lindsley. Strange how this crap sneaks past me.

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Speaking of the homelessness problem......

[bnacincy]

If they want to change the names of the streets, then give them their original street names back-Market Street, Vine Street, etc.....

I don't like using numbers for streets-I particularly don't like the name "12th south neigborhood"....I wish they would call it something like "Sevier Park", after the nearby park.

[satalac]

If Jim Varney doesn't get a street named after him, I'm calling shenanigans, know what I mean Vern?

[grilled_cheese]

Nancy did have a HEAD for business.

[Bos2Nash]

Gensler, the world's largest architecture firm, announced their well-known Nashville office in the NBJ.  They have been involved in projects such as the Arteson and 5th and Broadway as well as being the designers for the 500 2nd Ave project. They also have used the likes of Gresham Smith as local "Architect of Record" in the past and will no longer require that. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/08/11/gensler-to-open-nashville-office.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=na&ana=e_na_BN&j=28702890&senddate=2022-08-11

Additionally from the NBJ, Brad Bars talks about the new ownership's intention for the old Ernest Tubb shop. I have heard some rumors of rooftop addition, but nothing solid info wise.

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/08/01/ernest-tubb-future.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=na&ana=e_na_BN&j=28702890&senddate=2022-08-11

[titanhog]

7 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Gensler, the world's largest architecture firm, announced their well-known Nashville office in the NBJ.  They have been involved in projects such as the Arteson and 5th and Broadway as well as being the designers for the 500 2nd Ave project. They also have used the likes of Gresham Smith as local "Architect of Record" in the past and will no longer require that. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/08/11/gensler-to-open-nashville-office.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=na&ana=e_na_BN&j=28702890&senddate=2022-08-11

Additionally from the NBJ, Brad Bars talks about the new ownership's intention for the old Ernest Tubb shop. I have heard some rumors of rooftop addition, but nothing solid info wise.

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/08/01/ernest-tubb-future.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=na&ana=e_na_BN&j=28702890&senddate=2022-08-11

Talked to one of the new owners of Ernest Tubb shop…and he said they haven’t decided 100% the direction, but that they’ll definitely keep at least some of the Ernest Tubb shop persona.  He acted as if that’s not all figured out yet, as far as the exact “how”…but that’s part of the reason they purchased the building…to be sure to keep that going somehow.  However…that seems to be a small portion of the entire project.  Will be exciting to see what all they come up with.

[dragonfly]

 

On 8/9/2022 at 2:23 PM, BnaBreaker said:

Making it illegal to be a mentally ill junkie isn't going to make them stop being mentally ill junkies though, because addiction and mental illness isn't dependent on the legality of the matter.  Presumably we're not going to lock them away forever, and please correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) but I can't really see Tennessee being a state that is willing to pay to provide them with psychiatric care and drug rehabilitation  while in prison.  So that means in a matter of how ever many months, they'll still be homeless, and mentally ill, and a junkie, and back to roaming the streets once more.  In my opinion the only real solution is that we've got to invest way more in treatment and housing programs.  Who knows where that money would come from though.  

I can say where I want it to come from with one big caveat. The U.S. government. The caviat: Not only does the DEA need to take psilocybin and MDMA off schedule I but the primo addiction remedy ibogaine should be also. The homeless are almost all severely mentally ill (why I say this below), and self medicate with an array of drugs, trying to manage the best they can. They intuitively know that they want other modes of seeing things. Their treatment needs to be underwritten the U.S. government but local government needs to step up also and provide facilities for inpatient treatment. The homeless can be easily enticed into this short term, and after a couple of successful sessions will be motivated to stay because of the results, and the gratification of some enhanced self knowledge that comes from the treatment(s).

So I was the owner of a large property with numerous buildings at Harstine Island WA for 20 years, that I sold in 2021. Over a 20 year period I saw Seattle go from the next San Francisco to becoming a truly dystopian place, kinda like San Francisco. By far the worst aspect was the common sight and sounds all over downtown of severely disturbed individuals accosting and harassing anyone and everyone every hour of every day including violent attacks. This became the rule in the last 5 years and I experienced it. This is why I surmise that virtually all homeless are dealing the best they can with personality disorders, the majority in the severe category. If you watch the videos "Seattle Is Dying" and "The Fight For Seattle" from KOMO-TV, the first one includes a proposition that the McNeil Island abandoned correctional center be used to treat the homeless. I saw this facility from the water on a boat ride from my island up to Gig Harbor. The reason why this can't work from the present paradigm standpoint, is that nobody would volunteer to go for boring treatment at an isolated place like that in the current climate. But if you could entice the homeless to go for a a 2~3 week stay, by agreement, and the enticement would be powerful treatment sessions with psilocybin or ibogaine, maybe combined with strictly therapeutic massage, really good food and recreation, I'm 90% sure it could work, and word of mouth among the homeless should be highly positive. So Seattle and other Sound townships actually have at hand a possibility but the current schedule I status and the current failed paradigm for treatment is hindering the solution. Hopefully this will change, as the first thing from the Biden admin that I am happy about is the announcement of their support for the decriminalization of psilocybin and MDMA directed at psychotherapeutic application: Biden Administration Plans for Legal Psychedelic Therapies Within Two Years (theintercept.com)

Edited August 12, 2022 by dragonfly