Nashville Bits and Pieces

[smeagolsfree]

I have updated the list of proposed and under construction list. I have also included at the top the completed taller buildings at the top of the list. I will eventually include all of the completed 150' and taller buildings as I get around to it. The fact that Emporis no longer exist is an issue, but I have most of the buildings.

The buildings heights are a little different than they were on Emporis as well as that has always been a bone of contention. No one really knows the height for sure and the Germans always had a stick up theirs rears as far as getting anything changed.

There are 129 buildings on this list that are 150' or taller that are proposed, under construction, planned, rumored, doubtful. With that being said I will add at least 12 more I know about that I cannot disclose under pain of death, well not really, but these are projects I have seen renderings for, know about, etc. I can't disclose anything about these projects, so don't ask. People can lose their jobs, and no one will talk to me again. That gets the total up to 141 buildings. I am sure there are other buildings being proposed I do not know about. The 12 I know about come from only 4 sources. So, with all of the developers, architects, and property owners out there I am sure there are more.

Not all of these buildings are going to happen. Not all of these buildings are going to happen in the next five years. Some it will be a 10-to-15-year buildout and maybe even longer.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Iqd37Ihe1BADeolTxql_bLmt2Cx3ZwmVLC9ks10Q-bc/edit?usp=sharing

 

[rolly]

That list is so awesome. I dig that you can hover over the name of many of them and get a pic.   Funny that Broadwest Tower links to wiki entry for Lake Palmer,  LOL!. 

[rolly]

Also from the amazing list from@smeagolsfree is an observation of buildings by decade.

Period         Skyscraper Count
1950-59    1
1960-69    0
1970-79    3
1980-89    5
1990-99    1
2000-09    1
2010-19    8
2020-22    11

So from the 1950 to 2019,  28 buildings were built. 
Compared to 11 buildings in just the last 3 years.  Guesses for the count for 2020-29 ?

Edited September 20, 2022 by rolly
Correction; Added ATT tower for the 90's.

[MLBrumby]

8 minutes ago, rolly said:

Also from the amazing list from@smeagolsfree is an observation of buildings by decade.

Period         Skyscraper Count
1950-59    1
1960-69    0
1970-79    3
1980-89    5
1990-99    0
2000-09    1
2010-19    8
2020-22    11

So from the 1950 to 2019,  28 buildings were built. 
Compared to 11 buildings in just the last 3 years.  Guesses for the count for 2020-29 ?

 

I believe Batman was built in the early 90s.  Sometime around 92-94. 

[rolly]

35 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

I believe Batman was built in the early 90s.  Sometime around 92-94. 

Thanks for the correction; I updated my post.

[L. C. Ice]

On 9/17/2022 at 6:41 PM, KJHburg said:

I hear from reliable sources that these party wagons, buses, tractors etc have been throttled back.  But I saw them everywhere today and suprised how far they go outside of the downtown core.   And the line for the Wings mural was crazy long!  (first photo)   Now remember these tourists are the ones filling up your hotels as Nashville is in the big leagues of party goers in the country along with Miami, Vegas etc.   Nashville has to be the day drinking capital of the US.  

I DJ own those sometimes. I always start out the first leg with that cool and famous tune: ice ice baby.

[L. C. Ice]

On 9/17/2022 at 4:29 PM, smeagolsfree said:

He must be living under a rock as that was a stupid question.

 

If it is YOU KNOW WHO either go away now or you will be sent away! If not ask a good question.

That is a good question. The administration is touting the jobs number increase and gas price decrease as proof that the economy is doing very well. Are we to believe you over them? Don't write a bad review here.

[smeagolsfree]

[markhollin]

Nashville's soaring growth has raised the cost of living and contributed to the area's housing shortage, increasing the risk of homelessness for its residents. Metro has partnered with Community Solutions, a national nonprofit organization, to house the city's unsheltered residents by assembling a portfolio of affordable housing.

As its first Nashville investment, Community Solutions recently purchased Glastonbury Woods, a 144-unit apartment complex on Glastonbury Road. Half the units will be leased to people exiting homelessness while the other half will go toward middle-income individuals.

A recent report from the city's homeless planning council found there were 1,900 unhoused individuals in the city, though Vanderbilt professor Beth Shinn, who studies how to prevent and end homelessness, told the Business Journal in August the real number is likely higher.

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/09/21/community-solutions-partnership.html

[markhollin]

Holladay Properties is seeking a location in the area--most likely suburban, for a Project ECHO Hotel, which is a Wyndham Hotels & Resorts brand.  Holladay is planning multiples of the brand in the Nashville area eventually. The prototype requires about two acres, with the buildings to offer approximately 50,000 square feet and 124 individual rooms with an average 300 square feet.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/nashville-slated-for-new-hotel-concept/article_ba8a8b4e-3ab7-11ed-96ff-3360add741d6.html
 

A generic Project ECHO design:

[donNdonelson2]

I believe Holliday Properties are the owners doing the Donelson Plaza makeover and additions.

[smeagolsfree]

You are correct Don!

[dragonfly]

On 9/20/2022 at 3:21 PM, rolly said:

Also from the amazing list from@smeagolsfree is an observation of buildings by decade.

Period         Skyscraper Count
1950-59    1
1960-69    0

I'm going to intervene since I was there, coming of age and fascinated by big human stuff,, getting engineering trained. So in '67 there were two 20 story buildings completed. One was the Third National Bank headquarters on the Maxwell House former site at Church across from L&C and the other one is that ugly thing near James Robertson pkwy, maybe not quite 20. The National Life building at 31 stories was complete in late'68 (and the prototype for the 2 taller Shell buildings in Houston and NO). So by 1969 the city had 4 complete high rises and one under construction on Deadrick, a state office I think at 17 stories. That UBS tower was announced in early '72 by First American NB. And the Hyatt House completed in '75. I left for the last time in '75 so can't date stuff since then except for the major exciting thermal plant announced in '74 which I guess ended up not that exciting.

BTW the Snodgrass tower got a famous visitor in the early '70's when Ringo Starr was quoted in an elevator; a joke that made it to a page in the Tennessean. He was probably visiting McCartney who lived on a farm near Mt. Juliett for half a year. There may have been an observation deck at that time.

Edited September 26, 2022 by dragonfly

[markhollin]

An overview of the hotel boom that continues in Nashville:

Two years after COVID-19 pandemic shutdowns began to decimate the hospitality industry, Nashville hotels are thriving. Since 2019, more than 6,500 hotel rooms have opened and about 4,000 more are under construction, according to the Nashville Convention and Visitors Corp.

A record $111.8 million was collected in downtown hotel taxes from the sale of 9.5 million hotel rooms, according to the Nashville Convention & Visitors Corp's annual report.

More behind The Tennessean paywall here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2022/09/26/thousands-more-hotels-coming-to-nashville-second-only-to-new-york-city/69513714007/

[jmtunafish]

If you thought that there's a lot more money circulating around the Nashville area compared to 10 years ago, you're right.  I looked up bank deposit stats and was a little taken aback at just how much more money there is around here.  I know that bank deposits don't tell the entire story as a lot of people (especially the wealthy) have money tied up in other things, but it's still interesting nonetheless.

Here are the top 20 counties in Tennessee from 2012 in bank deposits and their share of all of Tennessee's bank deposits.

county...# of bank branches...bank deposits (x $1000)...% of state's bank deposits

Davidson	209	23,114,780	19.52%
Shelby	257	18,447,202	15.58%
Knox	161	10,080,820	8.51%
Hamilton	113	6,710,618	5.67%
Williamson	98	5,035,030	4.25%
Rutherford	78	3,058,260	2.58%
Sumner	58	2,453,485	2.07%
Sevier	59	2,162,139	1.83%
Montgomery	54	2,130,356	1.80%
Sullivan	50	1,971,468	1.67%
Washington	52	1,951,883	1.65%
Wilson	43	1,898,840	1.60%
Blount	50	1,878,560	1.59%
Madison	39	1,633,227	1.38%
Putnam	32	1,489,319	1.26%
Bradley	34	1,404,264	1.19%
Maury	26	1,321,439	1.12%
Greene	25	953,311	0.81%
Anderson	20	947,795	0.80%
Cumberland	20	945,057	0.80%

 

and the top 20 in 2022.  Green if it showed an increase in the state's share, red if it showed a decrease.

Davidson	203	54,887,532	24.71%
Shelby	206	32,444,812	14.60%
Knox	132	17,377,228	7.82%
Williamson	101	12,730,130	5.73%
Hamilton	96	12,373,772	5.57%
Rutherford	78	7,222,069	3.25%
Sumner	55	5,567,825	2.51%
Wilson	41	4,334,130	1.95%
Sevier	45	4,138,877	1.86%
Montgomery	44	3,654,588	1.65%
Washington	36	3,363,932	1.51%
Putnam	32	3,122,273	1.41%
Blount	29	2,843,354	1.28%
Madison	32	2,794,583	1.26%
Maury	24	2,398,303	1.08%
Bradley	25	2,320,126	1.04%
Sullivan	35	2,255,621	1.02%
Cumberland	17	1,623,892	0.73%
Dickson	20	1,440,209	0.65%
Robertson	18	1,435,065	0.65%

Edited September 26, 2022 by jmtunafish

[markhollin]

A plan is underway to find land and fund an 80,000 sq. ft. Nashville Children's Museum. An awareness campaign says the facility will be designed byMemphis-based children’s museum architects Haizlip Studio.

According to Bruce Libbon, Vice President of The Children’s Museum Development Group, “Research shows that Nashville is by far the largest market in the US without a children’s museum targeted to younger children.”

Are you interested in getting involved in the process? Attend one of the following upcoming community meetings:

Community Meeting | Tues., Sept. 27 | 6-7:30 p.m. | Nashville Public Library, Bellevue Branch, 720 Baugh Rd.

Community Meeting | Thurs., Oct. 6 | 6-7:30 p.m. | Brook Hollow Baptist Church, Community Room, 678 Brook Hollow Rd.

Community Meeting | Tues., Oct. 11 | 10:30-11:45 a.m. | Nashville Public Library, Richland Park Branch, 4711 Charlotte Ave.
 

https://www.musiccitychildrensmuseum.org/

[BnaBreaker]

Isn't the Cumberland Science Museum effectively a Children's Museum?  I mean, it might not be explicitly called that, but that's what I remember it being for the most part... then again, my knowledge is twenty years old and based on old field trips.  lol

Not that I'm opposed in any way to new museums, mind you.  The more the merrier.  It just seemed odd to me for them to claim that Nashville has no museums for children.  

[donNdonelson2]

15 minutes ago, BnaBreaker said:

Isn't the Cumberland Science Museum effectively a Children's Museum?  I mean, it might not be explicitly called that, but that's what I remember it being for the most part... then again, my knowledge is twenty years old and based on old field trips.  lol

Not that I'm opposed in any way to new museums, mind you.  The more the merrier.  It just seemed odd to me for them to claim that Nashville has no museums for children.  

It’s called Adventure Science Center now, but yes it’s a museum geared to children. Seems the effort to fundraise would be better focused on improvements to the museum we already have in place instead of building a “competing” museum.

[Baronakim]

I was on the design team for the Cumberland Science Museum back in 1966 when it was to replace the old Children's Museum in the old Civil War era building behind the Howard school.  I had to modell the whole site showing the new interstate from highway construction plans as this was before it was built.  This was 66 years ago folks.  I'm not sure what a new "Children's Museum" would be an improvement on the present facility.   Back then (pre 1965) the old Children's Musuem had a small insect and reptile menagerie, a big toy train layout.  A moldy mummy and some civil war stuff.  Virtually ALL of those "exhibits" are better represented in the Zoo, the new State Musuem and Archives  on the Mall, the Africian American Musuem, and the presnt Science Adventure facility among others.  I have always thought the Storyville Gardens proposal was dubious at best, but what could this new proposed "Childrens's Musuem" possibly have as to exhibit that would be appropriate for small children in this era.  Yes, functions like Libraries are not as vital today as they were 50 years ago and the interests of young children have vastly changed since I was a child, but I think that "Children's Museums, per se, are somewhat of an obsolete concept.  So what if Nashville is the largest city that doesn't have one?  The qustion is does Nashville NEED one?  For all practical purposes, the majority of young kids carry around a full boat of digital musuems in their cell phones.  I do not see what the function of a separate "Children's Museum" could possibly accomplish in education of History,  Art,  Biology,  Science, and other subjects so well as the many existing  facilities we now have.  What specific aspect of this proposal would be superior in any way to what Nashville already has?  None!,  in my opinion.

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Baronakim

[PostRural]

I think “targeted to younger children” is the key here. I agree that Nashville doesn’t have a children’s museum that targets children under 6. I’ve heard great things about the adventure science center, but it also frequently comes with a comment like “you really need to wait until your kids are a little older for them to enjoy it.” The closest thing we have is the Discovery Center in Murfreesboro. I think a true Children’s Museum would do really well, but I get why it’s not popular on here as well. 

[Baronakim]

I think the term 'museum'  is really outdated for all of these for the most part.  The definition of a museum is " building in which objects of historical, scientific, artistic, or cultural interest are stored and exhibited."  The more successful of these are highly interactive and in years past, the Cumberland Science has had many that young children couls walk thruough and  overscaled like making them feel bug sized or inside a body system.  I think these are more of "activity" centers than exhibit based. to some extent good daycares and kindergardens provide this leaving larger scale concepts to "Children's Museums".  As the internet and theme parks have had enourmous increases in attendance, I feel the kind of service proposed here is much more limited than it would have been 20 years or so ago.  Kids are much more advanced in this century than last.  Instead of learning about fairy tales by having them read to them by granny, they can watch them in live action Dolby 4K at home making good exhibits  perhaps a bit underwhelming.  Existing facilities are good to have and will continue to be well used, but I have doubts that new ones are necessary to build.  Many of my criticisms of Storyville Gardens areof a similar bent.  Truely popular venues are incredibly expensive and immersive like Hogworts or Disney Star Wars.  Those I think are the future of children's activity centers.

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Edited September 27, 2022 by Baronakim

[markhollin]

Nashville will spend $50 million in one-time federal funds in a multipronged approach to address homelessness.

Metro Council approved on Tuesday the use of American Rescue Plan Funds for a four-part plan backed by Mayor John Cooper's administration. The funding includes:

$25 million in low-cost loans for developers to bring units of deeply affordable housing online quickly

$9 million to support temporary housing

$9 million toward housing-first supportive services

$7 million in competitive grants to incentivize landlords and developers to relax barriers to housing

More at The Tennessean here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/davidson/2022/10/05/nashville-approves-50million-in-one-time-federal-funds-for-homelessness/69539747007/

[grilled_cheese]

The ring counties should be footing most if not all of that ^^^^

[glamdring269]

2 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

The ring counties should be footing most if not all of that ^^^^

Why?

[markhollin]

Sad news: One of Nashville's leading developers, Mr. Pat Emery, has passed away today at age 72 after a long battle with cancer and Parkinson's disease.  Pat is best known for his grand vision on 5th + Broadway, as well as major office parks in Cool Springs, West End Park Hill, as well as in partnerships with David Wells and Fred Hall redeveloping sites in Music Row and elsewhere. Recently, Emery announced his affiliation with the team working to bring education-focused theme park Storyville to the area.

Prior to his work in Nashville, Emery's 40 year development career also included work in Charlotte, Tulsa, Denver, San Antonio and Kansas City.

Blessings and peace to Emery's family and friends during this time of loss. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/people/veteran-cre-pro-pat-emery-dies-at-72/article_b83efa1c-436f-11ed-8415-b3602a922644.html


And behind The Tennessean paywall here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2022/10/05/pat-emery-nashville-obituary-died-developer-patrick/69535792007/


And at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/05/real-estate-developer-pat-emery-dies.html




Pat (left) with his business partner, Fred Hall, in 2017: