Nashville Bits and Pieces

[Rick Dalton]

Online polls and comment sections are always filled by angry people. Generally old conservatives shouting at the wind. Probably very few residents of Nashville (they can’t afford it). 

[smeagolsfree]

The problem is that if the start hurting conventions to the state by not allowing expansion, then it is self-defeating for the state taxes and tourism in the long run. There is also the problem of the bonds and the way they were issued. They may end up with one hell of a lawsuit too. You can only mess with a city so much and cause so much of an issue and then the state ends up having to do a bail out because of their own stupidity. There are ding dongs on both sides of this issue. Sometimes I wish we could vote on issues as a direct democracy and cut the state legislature and the US Congress out of the mix to give them a dose of reality on issues only the legislators think is important, and the rest of the people think that the law makers are just wasting time and money on. I also wish that the people could trigger a recall of any lawmaker at any time with a certain number of petition signers at any level of government. I think it would be an easier way to keep them in line on both sides of the fence.

Like Jarno said, they are punishing the entire city over twenty something council members actions which is unfair on the states part.  This will have unexpected consequences I am afraid.

[Luvemtall]

Living in Tennessee for the last 17 years, mostly in rural Wilson/Smith Counties and now a resident of Murfreesboro, and a one time owner of cabins in Gatlinburg.  I’ve noticed a somewhat hostility towards Nashville in most rural areas of the State. 
be it politically or just because they don’t like the “ big city” . I’m not sure I’ve been here long enough to fully understand their reasonings nor do I need to . Just find it hard to believe, people draw such a hard line and have such resentment towards others . One of my favorite songs , has the best words.. LET IT BE ! People need to chill out. 

[smeagolsfree]

Most of the folks in the rest of the state have no idea that Nashville is what keeps the rest of their taxes low. Tennessee would have been forced to have a state income tax as a huge majority of sales tax is generated from MD TN and MD  TN would not be where it is today if not for Nashville. Nashville is what generates a majority of jobs in the majority of the state. Nashville is the heart that keeps the economy pumping in the rest of the state. Without BNA they would have to go to Atlanta to fly to most any of their precious locations, they would not have pro sports unless they go to Memphis and the majority of those folks probably hate Memphis worse than Nashville. They just hate Nashville because it is a big city and that is why they live in the country; however, the world is on flux and the next great migration is upon us and folks are moving back close to the cities where the jobs, entertainment, shopping, services, and the fun is. Soon the rural areas will be even more empty. 

If not for Nashville Dolly would not have come here and there would be no Dollywood for the folks of E TN. The state would still be down there with Miss. and W VA. They should be thanking their lucky stars they have one city growing in the state that is generating jobs and creativity. States like AL, MS. LA, AR, AL, SC, WV, KY, and many others across the country do not have that. Other states are losing population which cuts into your tax base. It's just those folks hate change, but change is a fact of life for better or worse. You either go with the flow or you don't. Those that do not are bitter and take their frustrations out on those that are changing the things that were dear to them. I am glad we changed because I don't like the idea of riding a horse into Nashville or going outside to my outdoor toilet. 

[dragonfly]

4 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

and become The United States again, and go back to the original idea , that All Men & Woman are equal! Let’s start by being civil to each other and focus on what we really hold passionate.. Nashville Development! 

See, thing is the original idea, like with Men & Women also Boys & Girls and Ladies & Gentlemen, you gotta be Neanderthal to use those phrases now. According to the cultural master elites. And be ready for the insults. Other than that, thx for setting me up. But come to think of it, civilizational implosion is maybe a good reason to not host a political convention.

Edited February 1, 2023 by dragonfly

[Luvemtall]

Yep,  Im a old guy, old enough to remember a time , when we did use words like that. Words of respect, honor, thoughtfulness and politeness. In all due respect, it’s today’s cultural thinking of I, me, myself that’s destroying humanity. No longer does it seem “ right” to think of the other person, to listen and respect what they have to say. It’s easier to just sling insults and pass judgment and seek revenge. I for one am glade I lived in a time that dignity and morals , outweighed the darkness that plagues the world today. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Luvemtall

[glamdring269]

This discussion is a super minor glimpse into some of the madness that would have descended upon Nashville had the RNC been held here. As someone else noted above, perhaps we shouldn't be looking at what Nashville decided but instead take a look at the large quantity of other cities that raised their hand to take on this burden just to see what we might have missed out on. Oh wait... that's not a long list. I wonder why?

[smeagolsfree]

1 hour ago, dragonfly said:

See, thing is the original idea, like with Men & Women also Boys & Girls and Ladies & Gentlemen, you gotta be Neanderthal to use those phrases now. According to the cultural master elites. And be ready for the insults. Other than that, thx for setting me up. But come to think of it, civilizational implosion is maybe a good reason to not host a political convention.

Again, I am not going with name calling here! Understand ME! Keep it civil or I will kick you out.  I call both sides Ding Dongs because they are both acting crazy. Neanderthal is subhuman. Don't do it again. My job is hard enough without have to be a babysitter here. I am trying to keep everyone civil and to see both sides and how this has consequences. The Metro Council for their actions and the state Legislature for theirs.

[Luvemtall]

Smeags, forgive me . I didn’t intend to become any part of this discussion, taking a course down a different path that isn’t pertaining to the original. 
 

[smeagolsfree]

No worries, you are not as much the problem as others. It seems as if some on the board just can’t seem to have a discussion without name calling or stirring the pot to get all of the other hornets buzzing. I really don’t mind differing points of view when folks are civil. Just like Me and Randy and the vegetation on building conversation. He likes it and I do not but we agree to disagree.

Todays climate brings out the worst in people. I have emailed or publicly shared what I expect here. I hope there are no so called state sanctions and cooler heads prevail. Face to face meetings can solve a lot. Whatever happens I am sure Nashville will adjust and overcome.

[NashRugger]

7 hours ago, dmillsphoto said:

Tennessee State Republican lawmakers have submitted a bill to make Sparta the official State Capitol, drawing ire from Nashville officials.

"Look, if Nashville doesn't want to act like they are our State Capitol, then moving government operations seems like a just decision. I mean, look, the county is just as red as Sparta now, after the 2020 election, it's time they started acting like it," an unnamed state senator was quoted in private conversation.

Just move it back to Murfreesboro  

Edited February 1, 2023 by NashRugger

[Mr Gain]

4 hours ago, glamdring269 said:

This discussion is a super minor glimpse into some of the madness that would have descended upon Nashville had the RNC been held here. As someone else noted above, perhaps we shouldn't be looking at what Nashville decided but instead take a look at the large quantity of other cities that raised their hand to take on this burden just to see what we might have missed out on. Oh wait... that's not a long list. I wonder why?

Unfortunately I see what you mean. If it was the DNC holding their convention here it would have been doable and a lot less chaotic. No one would do anything to disrupt it.

The RNC conventions seem to bring out the people who are miserable and have nothing going for them except their political affiliation so they attack people based on politics. The foreign cuisine they eat and their dogs aren't enough to keep them from going haywire.

Edited February 2, 2023 by Mr Gain

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, Mr Gain said:

Unfortunately I see what you mean

So then you agree that the security concerns the Nashville Metro Council had were valid afterall!  Nice to see you come around!

As for the rest of your post... yikes... I'm just gonna let that lie where it is.  It is the best counter-argument against itself that could possibly be made.  

Edited February 2, 2023 by BnaBreaker

[Mr Gain]

19 minutes ago, BnaBreaker said:

So then you agree that the security concerns the Nashville Metro Council had were valid afterall!  Nice to see you come around!

As for the rest of your post... yikes... I'm just gonna let that lie where it is.  It is the best counter-argument against itself that could possibly be made.  

Well yes. Because on one side you have those who behave like adults that have responsibilities and would not become unhinged and attack others for their politics; where on the other side the demonic hate for those that don't bow down to the oligarchs party of choice is something this country has never seen before. Or has it?

Edited February 2, 2023 by Mr Gain

[BnaBreaker]

^^Uh.....

All I'm going to say is that I hope that when the mods do inevitably enter the chat here there is not an attempt to paint a picture in which 'everyone is equally at fault.'  

Edited February 2, 2023 by BnaBreaker

[smeagolsfree]

2 hours ago, Mr Gain said:

Well yes. Because on one side you have those who behave like adults that have responsibilities and would not become unhinged and attack others for their politics; where on the other side the demonic hate for those that don't bow down to the oligarchs party of choice is something this country has never seen before. Or has it?

I really do not see either side acting like adults. Both sides of the coin have been acting like spoiled little brats for the last twenty years. But let us get back to the point in hand and that is if Metro would have turned down the Dem convention?  I think they would have over the same concerns. If they didn’t I would be sitting here calling them out for the hypocrites they would be if they made that decision.

I really do not think either convention was right for the city in todays political climate. What happened in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago is probably a small taste of the madness that will happen In Milwaukee. It will draw every crazy anarchist from across the country along with every rebel with a cause, not to mention all the gun loving trigger happy conspiracy theorists from the right. Two groups of crazy do not make for a happy party. I think that is what they were looking at. 

Do you think it is all going to be peaches and cream in Milwaukee or did Metro have a valid concern? Do you think they may be proven right? All valid questions for you without the name calling and attitude. Talk to me like an adult would across the table drinking a cup of coffee if you can. Do you think the State may be overreacting and not thinking through the consequences of what effect it could have on the convention business in Nashville, because that is just as important for the state as it is for Nashville.

If the state wants to take control of the sports authority, could it backfire and blow the Titans deal? They could just threaten the state right back and say they are leaving TN. It could jeopardize airlines coming here because of uncertainty over who they will be dealing with.  Lots of variables a few hotheads in state government can’t wrap their heads around because they may not be smart enough to have the job they are elected for. It seems there are a lot of folks in those positions these days in every city, state and on the federal level and on both sides and those that work for them.

[samsonh]

9 hours ago, Mr Gain said:

Well yes. Because on one side you have those who behave like adults that have responsibilities and would not become unhinged and attack others for their politics; where on the other side the demonic hate for those that don't bow down to the oligarchs party of choice is something this country has never seen before. Or has it?

These adults control rural Tennessee. Not sure if you’ve been to rural Tennessee lately, but things are not going well to say the least. I do not want the representatives of those areas to destroy Nashville’s economy as the economies of rural Tennessee have been devastated. 
 

we can always pull out the numbers again(like I did for Armacing a few months back) to show how much of an economic engine Nashville is.

[glamdring269]

It's bad enough that Nashville has reps in Congress that live about as far away as possible from Nashville. Can you imagine someone from rural east TN having a direct say in activities of Bridgestone Arena? BNA? I'm just imagining state rep politicians from my home town being in charge of something like this and the only thing I can envision is complete downside/disaster. Not only for Nashville's growth but the overall prosperity of the state.

Edited February 2, 2023 by glamdring269

[lmc123]

12 minutes ago, glamdring269 said:

It's bad enough that Nashville has reps in Congress that live about as far away as possible from Nashville. Can you imagine someone from rural east TN having a direct say in activities of Bridgestone Arena? BNA? I'm just imagining state rep politicians from my home town being in charge of something like this and the only thing I can envision is complete downside/disaster. Not only for Nashville's growth but the overall prosperity of the state.

I understand your concern with Bridgestone, but BNA makes sense because the FAA oversees airports. Plus, those three congressmen fly out of BNA all the time... They don't fly out of Clarksville, Columbia and Cookeville. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by lmc123

[Rick Dalton]

We need to have bible sermons in Bridgestone every night! 

[glamdring269]

20 minutes ago, lmc123 said:

I understand your concern with Bridgestone, but BNA makes sense because the FAA oversees airports. Plus, those three congressmen fly out of BNA all the time... They don't fly out of Clarksville, Columbia and Cookeville. 

Sorry if I wasn't clear and I get where you're coming from on those 3 as it relates to BNA. Mainly pointing out that Nashville is already severely under represented outside of Nashville (referencing the trio). It only exacerbates the situation if the state takes over the committee/committee appointments of Nashville-based operations and could be led by people who are even further away than those three. Cookeville is bad enough proximity wise. Imagine someone from Maynardville being in charge of one of these committees or appointments for them.

[smeagolsfree]

19 minutes ago, lmc123 said:

I understand your concern with Bridgestone, but BNA makes sense because the FAA oversees airports. Plus, those three congressmen fly out of BNA all the time... They don't fly out of Clarksville, Columbia and Cookeville. 

Well, if Nashville's Airport is under state control, then why not all of the airports in the state being under state control as well. Also, since they are trying to include BNA, will this include John C Tune???? It is also under the Metro Airport authority. 

Again, it is singling out one city in the state. What will happen when several other cities hit the population threshold where the state has to take over their airports. I will bet they have not seen that coming. It will happen at some point. These laws they are coming up with will have flaws in them and will be seen not to have been thought out well.

At some point the pendulum will swing back the other way. It may not be in the next ten years, but I remember when the state was democratic controlled not too long ago. The tide can turn in just a matter of years or a decade or so and these folks will have revenge served to them on platter. I am not saying that is right either. All I am saying is that it is a never-ending cycle of tit for tat. We need to get past all of this. Common sense needs to come out on top. Right now, there is no common sense. 

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

This might be a bit random, but I was checking out the Wikipedia page for "tallest buildings in Nashville" yesterday. 

There used to be a listing of Nashville highrises from roughly 200 to 300 feet, in the list of "tallest completed buildings" and now those are completely gone. The list ends with 300 feet or taller.

Has anyone noticed that, or know why that list was edited to remove the buildings in the 200-300 foot range? It was always such a great snapshot to see the highrises in that range, since those buildings can be a significant impact on a city skyline and density. 

Plus, in today's booming Nashville, there are quite a few highrises under construction in that range currently. 

In looking at a lot of other comparable city Wikipedia "tallest buildings" pages, the 200-300 foot list of buildings is significant. 

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by jjbradleyBrooklyn

[smeagolsfree]

5 minutes ago, jjbradleyBrooklyn said:

This might be a bit random, but I was checking out the Wikipedia page for "tallest buildings in Nashville" yesterday. 

There used to be a listing of Nashville highrises from roughly 200 to 300 feet, in the list of "tallest completed buildings" and now those are completely gone. The list ends with 300 feet or taller.

Has anyone noticed that, or know why that list was edited to remove the buildings in the 200-300 foot range? It was always such a great snapshot to see the highrises in that range, since those buildings can be a significant impact on a city skyline and density. 

Plus, in today's booming Nashville, there are quite a few highrises under construction in that range currently. 

In looking at a lot of other comparable city Wikipedia "tallest buildings" pages, the 200-300 foot list of buildings is significant. 

 

I spoke to Brichar4 about this and the folks that are doing the editing above him on the Nashville wiki page only wany buildings 300' or taller. They do not realize there is no consistency between other city wiki pages as some start at 200 and others start at 300. 

Wiki is a hodgepodge because it is editor run and not professionally ran as anyone can contribute and edit. Brichar4 does a great job keeping it up as before no one had been doing it. When the current under construction is finished, we will have 42 over 300.

[chris holman]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

According to this Nashville is the 20th largest city in the US.