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  1. 1. Do you consider Jacksonville the Largest city in Florida?

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Miami is recognized as the largest city in the state. No reason to worry about that. When trying to figure out just how big/important a city really is, city limit population is rather meaningless in sprawled metros like Florida's. It really shows in some cases, like Orlando. Orlando would be the 100th and something largest city in the country instead of 29th if we went by city limit population.

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Sarasota offers more?  From my trips there, I've always viewed Sarasota as a small town, with a big skyline, and not much else to do.  In other words, its always felt like a rich version of Lakeland.

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When was the last time you were in Sarasota? Downtown keeps getting better and better.. it's hard to find a resturant table on a Friday night .. especially in season. That is with 20+ resturants in a few blocks. :blink: Then we have Towles Court or Southside or Central Ave or St Armand's or the Bay or...

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When was the last time you were in Sarasota?  Downtown keeps getting better and better..  it's hard to find a resturant table on a Friday night .. especially in season.  That  is with 20+ resturants in a few blocks.  :blink:  Then we have Towles Court or Southside or Central Ave or St Armand's or the Bay or...

Joe Moraca

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I visited Sarasota about a year or so ago. While its growing, its crazy to even considering it offering more than a city the size of Jax, that's growing just as fast, if not faster. Based on that, I'd still say its closer in relation to Lakeland, than it is Fort Lauderdale or Jacksonville.

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I visited Sarasota about a year or so ago.  While its growing, its crazy to even considering it offering more than a city the size of Jax, that's growing just as fast, if not faster.  Based on that, I'd still say its closer in relation to Lakeland, than it is Fort Lauderdale or Jacksonville.

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OK no comparison of JAX and SRQ is fair. ....but with a choice of a week in either Sarasota or Lakeland and I know which I will pick... :D

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ok. In Florida Jacksonville is the biggest in area and in population. No questions about it. Because of Jacksonville's land area, the pop. is scattered. Micami's pop. on the other hand is more concetrated in one area. I do agree that Miami's metro pop. could be bigger than Jacksonville's city pop, but the point was to say which was the biggest city not metro. To tell you the truth Jacksonville is a dead city. Yea it might be big, but it is dead. Miami on the other hand if full of life.

And that's just how it is :thumbsup::P

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Cityboy: Jacksonville is one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country. Now, if you mean that downtown is dead, it is not as lively as some downtowns, but it is better than others and is clearly on the rise. You clearly have not visited Jacksonville recently, if at all.

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Reading comprehension, Hisma, reading comprehension.

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no I understood it, but with the exception of Flagler being one of the fastest growing counties percentage-wise, there seems to be more population growth in central & south florida. Jax is growing steadily, but I've never heard it mentioned as one of the fastest growing metros in the country. Not a bad thing either, since fast growth usually means more sprawl. I could be wrong tho... some stats would be nice.

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interesting info from http://www.demographia.com/db-2025metro.htm

ranks largest US metro areas, 3 numbers are 2000, 2010 and 2025 population

Metropolitan Area 2000 Rank 2010 Rank 2025 Rank

New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NY--NJ--CT--PA CMSA 21,199,900 1 22,140,500 1 24,319,900 1

Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA 16,373,600 2 18,886,900 2 24,196,300 2

San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA 7,039,400 5 8,111,800 5 10,377,400 3

Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA 9,157,500 3 9,630,300 3 10,297,400 4

Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV CMSA 7,608,100 4 8,292,900 4 9,300,000 5

Dallas--Fort Worth, TX CMSA 5,221,800 9 6,099,800 8 7,465,400 6

Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA 6,188,500 6 6,362,400 6 6,680,300 7

Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT CMSA 5,819,100 7 6,119,200 7 6,611,700 8

Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX CMSA 4,669,600 10 5,365,200 10 6,447,100 9

Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI CMSA 5,456,400 8 5,525,600 9 5,627,900 10

Atlanta, GA MSA 4,112,200 11 4,765,400 11 5,510,400 11

Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL CMSA 3,876,400 12 4,384,200 12 5,167,100 12

Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA CMSA 3,554,800 13 4,012,600 13 4,670,800 13

Phoenix--Mesa, AZ MSA 3,251,900 14 3,785,000 14 4,445,400 14

San Diego, CA MSA 2,813,800 17 3,244,700 15 4,155,000 15

Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI MSA 2,968,800 15 3,214,900 16 3,492,300 16

Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO CMSA 2,581,500 19 2,878,900 18 3,210,200 17

Sacramento--Yolo, CA CMSA 1,796,900 24 2,227,700 23 3,137,700 18

Portland--Salem, OR--WA CMSA 2,265,200 22 2,621,500 21 3,122,900 19

Cleveland--Akron, OH CMSA 2,945,800 16 2,978,100 17 3,018,400 20

Tampa--St. Petersburg--Clearwater, FL MSA 2,396,000 20 2,639,600 20 3,015,200 21

St. Louis, MO--IL MSA 2,603,600 18 2,666,100 19 2,766,300 22

Orlando, FL MSA 1,644,600 27 1,956,300 25 2,436,800 23

Pittsburgh, PA MSA 2,358,700 21 2,343,900 22 2,314,900 24

Las Vegas, NV--AZ MSA 1,563,300 31 1,890,500 27 2,253,400 25

Cincinnati--Hamilton, OH--KY--IN CMSA 1,979,200 23 2,051,700 24 2,124,000 26

Kansas City, MO--KS MSA 1,776,100 25 1,918,500 26 2,101,400 27

San Antonio, TX MSA 1,592,400 29 1,790,800 28 2,099,300 28

Austin--San Marcos, TX MSA 1,249,800 37 1,548,900 34 2,014,100 29

Charlotte--Gastonia--Rock Hill, NC--SC MSA 1,499,300 33 1,696,800 31 1,923,000 30

Indianapolis, IN MSA 1,607,500 28 1,720,100 30 1,820,800 31

Milwaukee--Racine, WI CMSA 1,689,600 26 1,735,300 29 1,784,700 32

Norfolk--Virginia Beach--Newport News, VA--NC MSA 1,569,500 30 1,646,900 32 1,739,600 33

Columbus, OH MSA 1,540,200 32 1,613,100 33 1,704,200 34

Salt Lake City--Ogden, UT MSA 1,333,900 35 1,507,000 35 1,684,700 35

West Palm Beach--Boca Raton, FL MSA 1,131,200 44 1,330,000 40 1,636,400 36

Fresno, CA MSA 922,500 53 1,150,300 47 1,631,400 37

Raleigh--Durham--Chapel Hill, NC MSA 1,187,900 40 1,371,100 38 1,568,600 38

Nashville, TN MSA 1,231,300 38 1,386,400 37 1,538,800 39

New Orleans, LA MSA 1,337,700 34 1,393,600 36 1,488,400 40

Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC MSA 1,251,500 36 1,362,400 39 1,481,900 41

Jacksonville, FL MSA 1,100,500

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According to the 2004 census estimates, Flagler County (just south of the Jax MSA) is the 2nd fastest growing county in the country in terms of percentage growth and St. Johns County (within the Jax MSA) is the 9th fastest growing county in the country. And, Clay County (within the Jax MSA) is the 49th fastest growing county in America. See http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...et_census.shtml

As to the city of Jacksonville, between 2000 and 2003, we were the 5th fastest growing city in the South at 5.2% (ahead of Orlando, Tampa, Charlotte, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, and Nashville). See http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7841

And, as to the overall metro area, Jacksonville grew at the rate of 21.4% between 1990 and 2000 and the rate of 11.3% from 2000 to July 1, 2004 (see http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.txt and http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/tabl...2004-03-12.csv)

Finally, I do not support sprawl either, so I would point out that downtown Jacksonville is more developed than some larger cities and has a lot of projects in the pipeline. See http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.ph...topic=9311&st=0

So, while Jacksonville is not growing too fast like Vegas or Orlando, we have healthy growth and better than most metro areas. The bottom line is Jacksonville is hardly "dead" and that was an absurd statement not supported by the facts.

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By the way, that Demographia estimate is all wet. If you simply extrapolate the 2025 population using current growth trends (which is probably more accurate than pulling a figure out of the air like they did), Jacksonville should be 2,025,905 in 2025. I am not saying this is a good thing, but it is probably going to happen.

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One of the unique things about the Jax MSA is that it is almost entirely Jacksonville population with the small support of outlying towns. Many other MSA's (Miami, Tampa, Orlando) have a huge population base outside of the town proper and even incorporate other larger surrounding cities (Miami-FtLaud or Tampa-St Pete and Orlando and all of the 3,00 other surrounding towns, even New Yourk's MSA incorporating Jersey and PA???).

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Metro-Dade is unique -- only one of its kind in the US. It has its flaws, the bureaucracy is huge, but I think it's a good framework. There are some really good proposals on the way that will help streamline the way services are provided.

About the next-nearest type of entity in the US is the Portland area's regional government it calls "Metro", which covers the three major counties of the Portland area. It handles issues like transportation, environmental protection, recycling, and growth management.

I'm glad you brought up the fire issue, because this one just ticks me off. Broward's system is totally fragmented: 99% incorporated, 30+ cities, almost each one with its own fire department (and some contract to the County), which will only respond inside the city limits, and pockets of unincorporated areas that are miles from the nearest county fire station. Sometimes county fire trucks have have to drive from miles away through two or three different cities to get to their service areas, when a local city fire station might be a few blocks away. In Dade this would not have happened, nor in Jacksonville.

A novel idea just happened recently. The Broward County Commision recently transferred its fire-rescue department to the Broward Sheriff's Office. BSO has had good negotiating experience in getting cities to contract with them for police services (thereby not having to lay off their force), so in assuming fire-rescue operations they can increase their service area and come up with interlocal agreements for mutual assistance. Come to think of it, I can't think of another sheriff's office that does both policing and fire-rescue.

Wow, things have changed a lot. I don't remember the rivalry being that intense in the days of Linda Chapin (Orange County Chairman) and Glenda Hood (Orlando Mayor).

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Sarasota offers more? From my trips there, I've always viewed Sarasota as a small town, with a big skyline, and not much else to do. In other words, its always felt like a rich version of Lakeland.

Fort Lauderdale (Broward County), on the other hand is almost twice the size of Duval County in population, so I'd expect them to have more. However, for all the entertainment they have in Broward, what Jax does have over them, is a large collection architecturally distinct urban neighborhoods.

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One of the unique things about the Jax MSA is that it is almost entirely Jacksonville population with the small support of outlying towns. Many other MSA's (Miami, Tampa, Orlando) have a huge population base outside of the town proper and even incorporate other larger surrounding cities (Miami-FtLaud or Tampa-St Pete and Orlando and all of the 3,00 other surrounding towns, even New Yourk's MSA incorporating Jersey and PA???).
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If I may say one thing is that Jax definetly does not want to become Orlando, a mrtopolitan area built upon sprawl, other than sprawl related stuff, its a good city. Orlando needs to atleast consolidate the unicorporated areas completed surrounded by C.O.O. and make them more defined and better planned. Pretty much the only area in the city limits that will see growth is the area annexed out by OIA. I see City of Orlando maxing out at 400-500,000 people, at best, unless consolidation happens. Orange County is just really badly layed out, at least with the Orlando city limits. Anyways, Jacksonville is a great big hicktown and we love it. We are a nature city. The St. Johns River, vast marshland, tidal mudflats and wetlands, and just 25 miles S,W, and N of town, your in pristine woodlands, and much of that distance is covered just within Duval County alone from downtown! I believe if I saw correct, if all buildable land is used, COJ has a potential total of 2.5 million!
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