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yochillout

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Some (not all) liberals are stereotyped as "America Haters." They see nothing good about what is going on with anything and will gladly make any attempt to put down and degrade our country.

Well if liberals are stereotyped in that manner, conservatives are stereotyped as hating all that is different from themselves. I certainly believe that alot of conservatives have the attitude that they don't want any newcomers/immigrants/religious minorities/gays/racial minorities to have any power.

Democrat here, but I would love to see a genuine leftist party. The Dems and Pubs are too conservative.

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What is missing in the states is a parlimentary system that gives every party a voice. In Europe if the greens or the socialists or religious right wins 11% of the overall vote, in the legislature they are represented by 11% of the members or ministers--and the legislature votes on the executive thus the primary or "prime minister" instead of a president. The Prime Minister is elected to the body by people in his/her district but has the leadership post from a majority vote of the legislature. A coalition government is formed at lot of times from the different wings of the representatives. Although I tend to agree more with the GOP then the Dems I think a true democracy is one with a Parlimentary form of government, where every group or political spectrum is represented in measure of their support. This winner take all system for the Presidency isn't the best in my mind.

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Spartan Gigalopolis

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What is missing in the states is a parlimentary system that gives every party a voice.  In Europe if the greens or the socialists or religious right wins 11% of the overall vote, in the legislature they are represented by 11% of the members or ministers--and the legislature votes on the executive thus the primary or "prime minister" instead of a president.  The Prime Minister is elected to the body by people in his/her district but has the leadership post from a majority vote of the legislature.  A coalition government is formed at lot of times from the different wings of the representatives.  Although I tend to agree more with the GOP then the Dems I think a true democracy is one with a Parlimentary form of government, where every group or political spectrum is represented in measure of their support.  This winner take all system for the Presidency isn't the best in my mind.

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The parliamentary system is not perfect. They do not have a separation of powers, checks and balances, and they don't really "elect" their leader- that to me is reason enough not to have one. In these sytems it is extreme partisanship. You vote for you party, not the candidate.

I'm not saying the parliamentary system is bad, I just don't think its right for America.

The US could have more parties, but I think there are laws in place that somehow enhance the major parties, thus making it hard for other parties to get into the mix

None of you pro-Republicans have actually explained why you are Republican.

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Nobody except you, heckles, has explained why they are Democrat.
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As far as the Parlimentary system goes, true no system is perfect representative govt. 100%. In PM systems though if 10% feel a certain way they usually get about 10% of the representatives, winner take all is not a great system even at the local levels. My memory of them there are usually lower and upper houses and a judiciary--so yes there is checks and balances. Your right you don't get to vote for the leader BUT the appealing thing for me is your vote is NEVER wasted. If you vote for the loser and 8% vote with you the eventual leader must deal with that 8% wing of the government day in and day out. Also although you don't vote for the leader in an up or down way it is well known who the leader will be if a certain party or coalition wins--in essence you do get to vote for that leader but at the same time not have your vote be wasted if that leader loses. To me that's the big appeal. I do agree that the system here is rigged to support only two, and although we are a great democracy that led the way I feel winner take all with the executive powers is way 18th century. Washington and the founders were great men and great visionaries for 1800 and even 1900, time to update. Just my two cents.

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Actually it was Richard Nixon that took the USA off the Gold Standard in 1971.  I assume you will now blame him for the nation's ills that you incorrected attributed to FDR since you thought it was he that ended the gold standard.

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Check your history, boi

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Nixon made the last blow on the issue in 1971 but by then (Bretton Woods) it was only between international central banks that any "gold standard" existed and by in large they settled all their accounts not for gold but by "eurodollars".  The 1934 Gold Reserve Act ended it for American citizens redeeming their dollars for gold.  How can you redeem you "gold backed" currency when your not allowed to have gold? 

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Well done, Pgh.. Well done.. This is exactly correct...

And to those who say that a gold standard holds us back, I want to know why you think a fiat currency is a good thing.. Since 1934, the purchasing value of the dollar has eroded something like 93%..

Actually, I'd ask you to point to a fiat currency that has not failed over time.. I'll help you out here.. Its never happened.. The GOV says it holds the economy back, but thats not true.. It holds government spending back.. Which right now, sans GS, they have no checks on their spending.. Hence the ever increasing deficit, and the reason countries like China are no longer looking to the USD as the currency of the world..

Watch.. Its happening..

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Check your history, boi

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I already did and explained my point of view. Maybe you missed it. I remember when Nixon did take the nation off the Gold Standard. It was big news and it brought out many doomsayers who predicted the nation's economy would fail as a result. As it turns out none of the doomsayer's predictions came true then, just like now. :rolleyes:

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Scott Hamlet

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Republican or Democrat?, which one are you?

I'm unenrolled (but have never actually voted for a Republican).

In my state that means I don't vote in Primary elections but get a ballot with everyone running on it. There is a way to temporarily change affiliation to vote in primary's but I don't.

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Spartan Gigalopolis

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Well done, Pgh.. Well done.. This is exactly correct...

And to those who say that a gold standard holds us back, I want to know why you think a fiat currency is a good thing.. Since 1934, the purchasing value of the dollar has eroded something like 93%..

Actually, I'd ask you to point to a fiat currency that has not failed over time.. I'll help you out here.. Its never happened.. The GOV says it holds the economy back, but thats not true.. It holds government spending back.. Which right now, sans GS, they have no checks on their spending.. Hence the ever increasing deficit, and the reason countries like China are no longer looking to the USD as the currency of the world..

Watch.. Its happening..

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The problem with the gold standard as I understand it, is that there is a zero sum gain. Meaning that there is only so much money that can be made, and that money is tied to how much gold you can find in the ground. A gold based economy seems a bit archaic to me. Regardless of what the government does, don't you like knowing that you can make as much money as are able to?

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The reason why I am a republican is because I believe in most of the views of the republican party and because most of the people that live here are republicans and so my friends and I belong to the teenage republican party at our school. My friends and I make up about 60 or 70 of the 90 members compared to the young democrat club which only has about 15 members. Anyways the south rules and I am a ture republican! ROCK ON!

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