Which city has most potential

[ppassafi]

I agree... Atlanta has that locked up for years to come. You'd place Louisville over Nashville... are you nuts? I suggest you take another look at all the development in Nash.

I don't think Louisville has over $700 million in projects downtown right now... like Nashville. This doesn't even include the future Federal CH ($125 million)... West End Summit ($75-90 million?)... Signature ($200 mm)... and convention center expansion (250-350 mm). Plus, Nash is 'on track' to get LRT and commuter rail before Louisville.

I don't have a clue about Jax, but I do know that it's not as accessible to the rest of the country as Nash or Louisville.

You are right, Louisville has over twice that. The two big projects alone-Museum Plaza at 380 million and the Arena at 450 million outpace Nashville. This doesnt count the COUNTLESS other residential projects like the 300 million River Park Place or the 500 million Liberty Green, which is 6 full city blocks of condos and apartments. There is so much going on I cant list it all, but there is more investment in downtown Louisville by far with its two major projects being built. Residential wise, both cities are constructing units at around the same pace. But...Louisville has a jump start on its downtown residential units and investments like the 75 million 4th street live seem like a small drop in the bucket now.

[ppassafi]

Single-family new house construction building permits

Jacksonville

1997: 3483 buildings, average cost: $111,100

1998: 3796 buildings, average cost: $110,500

1999: 3878 buildings, average cost: $119,800

2000: 3497 buildings, average cost: $114,700

2001: 4832 buildings, average cost: $120,300

2002: 5397 buildings, average cost: $122,700

2003: 5766 buildings, average cost: $126,700

2004: 6067 buildings, average cost: $138,800

since 2000-25,559

Nasvhille

1997: 2059 buildings, average cost: $131,000

1998: 2309 buildings, average cost: $144,300

1999: 2435 buildings, average cost: $151,900

2000: 2294 buildings, average cost: $163,000

2001: 2869 buildings, average cost: $160,900

2002: 2757 buildings, average cost: $151,800

2003: 3080 buildings, average cost: $148,400

2004: 3494 buildings, average cost: $152,100

since 2000-14,494

Birmingham

1996: 118 buildings, average cost: $103,700

1997: 128 buildings, average cost: $107,200

1998: 152 buildings, average cost: $88,400

1999: 137 buildings, average cost: $113,000

2000: 118 buildings, average cost: $123,800

2001: 108 buildings, average cost: $128,100

2002: 188 buildings, average cost: $135,600

2003: 152 buildings, average cost: $157,000

2004: 144 buildings, average cost: $163,800

Since 2000-710

Louisville

1996: 251 buildings, average cost: $68,200

1997: 207 buildings, average cost: $84,400

1998: 373 buildings, average cost: $79,900

1999: 260 buildings, average cost: $70,300

2000: 344 buildings, average cost: $74,700

2001: 277 buildings, average cost: $69,700

2002: 146 buildings, average cost: $74,300

2003: 0 buildings

2004: 0 buildings

since 2000-767

Little Rock

1996: 473 buildings, average cost: $162,200

1997: 440 buildings, average cost: $155,600

1998: 491 buildings, average cost: $181,000

1999: 552 buildings, average cost: $184,500

2000: 515 buildings, average cost: $199,300

2001: 544 buildings, average cost: $202,400

2002: 591 buildings, average cost: $231,900

2003: 725 buildings, average cost: $241,700

2004: 805 buildings, average cost: $258,500

since 2000-3,180

Oklahoma City

1996: 1953 buildings, average cost: $97,600

1997: 2040 buildings, average cost: $99,800

1998: 2402 buildings, average cost: $104,600

1999: 2867 buildings, average cost: $112,900

2000: 2044 buildings, average cost: $115,300

2001: 2373 buildings, average cost: $122,300

2002: 2997 buildings, average cost: $125,800

2003: 3402 buildings, average cost: $129,400

2004: 3815 buildings, average cost: $135,100

since 2000-14,631

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For comparism

Phoenix

1996: 6798 buildings, average cost: $117,400

1997: 5752 buildings, average cost: $129,200

1998: 5585 buildings, average cost: $134,100

1999: 5302 buildings, average cost: $139,000

2000: 4732 buildings, average cost: $143,100

2001: 5501 buildings, average cost: $154,300

2002: 7116 buildings, average cost: $161,300

2003: 9086 buildings, average cost: $170,200

2004: 12749 buildings, average cost: $181,600

since 2000-39,184

San Antonio

1996: 4414 buildings, average cost: $60,700

1997: 4323 buildings, average cost: $60,500

1998: 5752 buildings, average cost: $69,900

1999: 5892 buildings, average cost: $68,900

2000: 5570 buildings, average cost: $72,700

2001: 6281 buildings, average cost: $73,200

2002: 6454 buildings, average cost: $68,300

2003: 6105 buildings, average cost: $129,500

2004: 7431 buildings, average cost: $131,300

since 2000-31,841

Dallas

1996: 1176 buildings, average cost: $160,000

1997: 1353 buildings, average cost: $153,000

1998: 1744 buildings, average cost: $134,300

1999: 1752 buildings, average cost: $110,000

2000: 1732 buildings, average cost: $206,400

2001: 1913 buildings, average cost: $178,400

2002: 2024 buildings, average cost: $178,200

2003: 2597 buildings, average cost: $163,600

2004: 3353 buildings, average cost: $165,000

since 2000-11,619

Houston

1996: 2779 buildings, average cost: $133,900

1997: 3589 buildings, average cost: $142,400

1998: 3978 buildings, average cost: $155,400

1999: 4089 buildings, average cost: $161,400

2000: 4680 buildings, average cost: $158,800

2001: 4366 buildings, average cost: $137,500

2002: 4547 buildings, average cost: $125,800

2003: 5552 buildings, average cost: $129,500

2004: 6083 buildings, average cost: $135,200

since 2000-25,228

San Diego

1996: 1765 buildings, average cost: $183,200

1997: 2814 buildings, average cost: $183,500

1998: 2819 buildings, average cost: $194,000

1999: 2233 buildings, average cost: $199,900

2000: 2014 buildings, average cost: $261,300

2001: 2209 buildings, average cost: $254,400

2002: 2588 buildings, average cost: $205,900

2003: 1926 buildings, average cost: $190,500

2004: 1301 buildings, average cost: $167,100

since 2000-10,038

And did u just make these stats up? Any stat that says Louisville didnt build a SINGLE house from 2003-2004 is completely laughable. Not to mention, if the other numbers are true, Louisville and Birmingham are at a diadvantage bc they are only around 60 sq miles (now Louisville is 385 since merger). Jax is over 700 sq miles!!!! So that is a rediculous comparison and is way off.

[Clobber]

No Memphis in the poll?

[simms3]

ppassafi has a point, look at Jax for instance. There isn't much going on in the old inner city neighborhoods that are already built up and ocupy as much space as traditional city limits. Take into account the whalloping southside and now the northside, and tack on whole town size developments of regional impact. The stats are a little unfair (by the way in the suburban county south of duval, st. johns county, there are almost by only a thousand homes fifty thousand housing permits just in the northern and central section!

I was surprised that Phoenix had only 39000 permits considering its size and sprawl and growth.

[Charlotteman]

The keyword here is "potential".

Jacksonville's geographic location on the St. Johns River, and it's lovely inner city neighborhoods give it an enormous potential:)

Whether or not Jax will live up to it's potential? I'm 51, and I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. That municiple inferiority complex and backward way of thinking will be a problem for a long time.