Which city has most potential

[TopTenn]

Most livable mean that people consider your city a great place to live and that why NASHVILLE IS MOST LIVABLE

[satalac]

i thought that it mean we had the least amount of dead people walking aroud?

[DallasTexan]

Most livable mean that people consider your city a great place to live and that why NASHVILLE IS MOST LIVABLE

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Nashville wasn't on the most livable list

A list is a list is a list...

[UrbanCharlotte]

The Panthers are better than the Titans and Jaguars anyway. So is Charlotte. They need to bring the Superbowl to Bank of America Stadium.

[brewerw]

Dont even go there. Just cause the NFC sucked doesnt mean there better. Over have the titans starting were injured most of the season, at the same time. This is no joke. The titans beat the panters in charlotte he year you went to the superbowl. we dominated. You cant talk buddy.

[DallasTexan]

Well our team in Birmingham beats all of you!

Oh, wait...

[UrbanCharlotte]

Dont even go there. Just cause the NFC sucked doesnt mean there better. Over have the titans starting were injured most of the season, at the same time. This is no joke. The titans beat the panters in charlotte he year you went to the superbowl. we dominated. You cant talk buddy.

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I remember it was 37-17. But that was a throw away game, you scored on a fake punt, and as for injuries the Panthers had 14 on the IR. Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, Stephen Davis all pro bowlers were out the whole season, and we got ripped off in the Superbowl. + Bank of America is better than whatever stadium the Titans have!

[satalac]

I remember it was 37-17. But that was a throw away game, you scored on a fake punt, and as for injuries the Panthers had 14 on the IR. Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, Stephen Davis all pro bowlers were out the whole season, and we got ripped off in the Superbowl. + Bank of America is better than whatever stadium the Titans have!

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have you been in the coliseum? if you wanna hear one of the loudest in the nfl, this is the place. scroll over to the stadium section. stadium i can handle people talking bad about nashville, but when it comes to football, i get angry

[Brickell]

pretty said when you resort to sports teams performances in comparing cities.

[satalac]

pretty said when you resort to sports teams performances in comparing cities.

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oh this isn't about cities anymore, this is about football pride!

[ATLman1]

^^

Columbus GA grew from 69.5 sq. miles and 152,218 population to 147.8 sq. miles and 164,235 population. 

Are you talking about when it first merged or the city population today? If it is today's population, it's more like 190,000-200,000, somewhere in that range.

[vicupstate]

Are you talking about when it first merged or the city population today? If it is today's population, it's more like 190,000-200,000, somewhere in that range.

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These figures are from when the consolidation took place.

[louisvillecard04]

you are right, Louisville has at spent at least 830 million JUST IN 3 YEARS (2002-2005)in downtown investments right now. The new ones keep churning out. Louisvilles downtown, without a stadium, is kicking the crap out of nashvegas'.

Source:

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:Cw1sJ...stment%22&hl=en

The biggest are

110 million Marriot Marquis convention hotel (17 STORIES)

75 million entertainment district loaded with restaurants, bars, and clubs (4th st Live)

50 Million WaterFront Park Place Condos (23 stories with 2-3 million dollar penthouse condos)

about 200 million in other new residential loft/apartment refurbishments and construction.

And that is only in the past 3 years. In the next 3 a similar 750 million-1 billion in investment is planned. Most of it now is private investors building restaurants and condos. So in a 6 year period (2002-2008) Louisville will have invested some 1.5-2billion in its downtown. Nashville cannot touch that. I challenge you to come here, my friend. You will not recognize the city (assuming youve been here before since you act like you know).

A new planned community with a tag of over 100 million (clarksdale)

[ATLBrain]

Louisvilles downtown, without a stadium, is kicking the crap out of nashvegas'.

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I gave the tally for everything that is u/c NOW!... not everything from the past 3 years.

Nashville touches it easily. These figures are from City Paper and various other sources with no double counting or land acquisition costs. I know there are other private rehab/reuse projects already underway that haven't been included.

With public works, the figure skyrockets. It is included once below as already u/c... spread out over next 5 years.

U/C................................... ($M)

Metro Courthouse.............. 35

Beverly Briley CC.............. 25

Courthouse Parking Plaza... 20

Stahlman Apts................... 15

Exchange Lofts.................. 8

Kress Lofts........................ 5

Symphony Hall................... 120

Gateway ........................... 47

Veridian ............................. 75

Gulch (retail bldg)............... 90

YMCA................................ 10

Legislative Plaza................ 20

Morgan Park..................... 50-80

Pub.Wrx (Dntn Only).......... 150

Hermitage Hotel................. 25

Bristol............................... ?

18th Ave........................... ?

Other lofts......................... ?

Midtown Lofts.................... 6

Downtown restaurants....... ?

Subtotal........................ 685-?

Planned ($M)

Harrison........................... 10

W/E Summit..................... 80-100

Adelicia............................ 55

Amsouth........................... 40

Remaining Gulch............... 250

Ballpark/Living Units.......... 80

Federal CH....................... 125

Rolling Mill Hll................... 350

Hampton.......................... 15

W/E Lofts......................... 12

Bristol W/E Apts................ ?

Vanderbilt Univ................. 300-450

Subtotal.......................... 1,300 - ?

Proposed

Convention Center Exp....... 250-400

CC Hotel............................ ?

Signature........................... 200

Demonbreun Viaduct.......... ?

Arts Tower........................ 40-50

Gateway Phase 2................ ?

Symphony Block................. ?

Arts & Science High School.. ?

North Gulch (Giarratana)..... ?

Harrison Lofts (ph.2-3)........ ?

Condo at 31st and W/E.......... 10

Subtotal............................. 490-?

Completed in last 3-5 years

Gulch (complete).................. 65

Roundabout Plaza................. 40

Frist.................................... 30

CM Hall of Fame................... 40

Carel Childrens Hosp............ 130

Vanderbilt Univ/MC............... 400

Belmont Univ....................... 80

CODA condos (2 bldgs)......... 8

Embassy Suites.................... 18

Public Library....................... 40

Demonbreun Rstrnt Row....... ?

Hilton.................................. ?

Bennie Dillon........................ ?

Lifeway................................ ?

Titans Stadium..................... 220

Subtotal.............................. 1071-?

Let's see, by my conservative figures and thumbnailing the math... that's over $3.5 billion over a span of 6-8 years. This doesn't even include Nashville's largest office center in Franklin/Brentwood. Furthermore, I don't have figures for MetroCenter with two new office buildings u/c... and the housing resurgence in East Nashville. Also, don't know the exact total for the buildout of the I-65/24 expansion. They are taking a break through downtown for two years to finish the outlying projects first.

It all adds up to urban development never before seen in Nashville.

Yikes! So the Marriott cost Louisville $110m? Must be damn nice inside.

[bobliocatt]

Here's a list of projects currently in development in downtown Jax.

Downtown Jacksonville

www.downtownjacksonville.org

Under Construction

St. Johns Center (38 & 28 story residential towers) - $150 million

Alltel Stadium (super bowl renovation) - $59 million

Baptist Hospital (expansion) - $55 million

San Marco Place (21 story condo tower) - $46.9 million

The Carling (13 story loft conversion) - $20 million

Fidelity National Financial (corporate campus expansion) - $20 million

Adams Street Station (railcar tailgate condos) - $8 million

20 West (7 story loft conversion) - $6.7 million

752 West Adams (Office building) - $1.5 million

Holmes Building (restoration) - $1.1 million

TOTAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION - $368.2 million

Proposed/Planned

The Shipyards (44.7 acre mixed use project) - $857 million

San Marco Riverwalk (6 tower mixed use project) - $500 million

Jacksonville Landing (renovation & expansion) - $250 million

Riverpointe (two 48 story towers) - $100 million

The Barnett (17 story loft conversion) - $50 million

323 Duval (2 - 12 story office buildings) - $40 million

Berkman Plaza II (22 story apartment tower) - $36 million

Churchwell Lofts (4 story loft conversion) - $8.6 million

The Parks-phase II (12 townhomes) - $8.2 million

Marks Gray (6 story office) - $7.25 million

LaVilla Office Complex (40,000sf office building) - $6.2 million

Harris Guidi Law Firm (3 story mixed use) - $2 million

LaVilla Bistro (6,089sf themed restaurant) - $2.4 million

Ashley Oaks (3 story mixed use) - ?

Laura Street Trio (loft conversion of 2 historic highrises) - ?

Old JEA Building (renovation & 31 story tower addition) - ?

Riverside Office Tower (13 story tower) - ?

TOTAL PROPOSED/PLANNED - $1.87 billion ?

Public

I listed these significant public improvements as well, because they are just as important, if not more, to downtown growth and the establishment of a true vibrant urban environment, than private investment.

Duval County Courthouse (7 block courthouse facility) - $268 million

Veterans Memorial Arena (new 16,000 seat arena) - $130 million

New Downtown Library (main library, with book store at street leve) - $95 million

Arena/Sports Complex/County Courthouse Parking garages - $53 million

Baseball Grounds of Jax (Minor league ballpark) - $34 million

Riverwalk expansions - $8.5 million

Bay Street Town Center (entertainment district) - $1.4 million

TOTAL PUBLIC INVESTMENT - $590 million

[DallasTexan]

Downtown Birmingham's investment dollars:

$1.

[satalac]

Downtown Birmingham's investment dollars:

$1.

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did the mayor go to mcdonalds?

[DallasTexan]

No. Wendy's.

[brewerw]

Vandy and the stadium put together do not contribute as much as the cards do to louisville.

Nasvhille is on a whole nother level just as charlotte is one a whole nother level than nasvhille.

[DallasTexan]

Really? I'd say they're all about the same.

*gasp*

[BrandonTO416]

Vandy and the stadium put together do not contribute as much as the cards do to louisville.

Nasvhille is on a whole nother level just as charlotte is one a whole nother level than nasvhille.

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[brewerw]

Nashville has more buildings being built, more people moving, in and out of the city, and there is more downtown improvment. That is what i ment by nasvhille is on a whole nother level.

[rusthebuss]

Which one of these has the most potential of growing into a large urban area. Look at as may aspects of each city before voting!!!!!!!!!

I.E. New upcoming developments.

I left Charlotte out b/c everyone would vote for it. It is by far a step ahead of the rest. This will be more interesting.

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What about Norfolk/VaBeach area it is really growing it has about 2 million people and still growing

[bobliocatt]

^The Hampton Roads area was probably left out because its a lot larger than the listed cities, which are all fairly close in metro population.

[rusthebuss]

^The Hampton Roads area was probably left out because its a lot larger than the listed cities, which are all fairly close in metro population.

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People do not like talking about Hampton Roads and i have yet to figure out why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!