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Has anyone else noticed the new sign on the roof of Music Hall? It's similar to the Fox's new roof sign, only the lighting on it doesn't change like the Fox's does.

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Yah, they installed it yesterday. I think it was "Detroit Today" on WDETfm that did a little diddy about the theater installing it. It is suppose to be seen from many parts of downtown. They intended it not to be fancy and LED, but instead be an exact, nastalgic replica of the original...since they couldn't find the original. The intention was to resurect the original.

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Yah, they installed it yesterday. I think it was "Detroit Today" on WDETfm that did a little diddy about the theater installing it. It is suppose to be seen from many parts of downtown. They intended it not to be fancy and LED, but instead be an exact, nastalgic replica of the original...since they couldn't find the original. The intention was to resurect the original.

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Here's some new pictures of Music Hall:

I'm sure it looks great at night!

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As I was taking these photos, I realized how very little I've photographed this building. It's really beautiful.

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So I've been in Philadelphia for the past week, also on and off for the past 3 months for various business ventures and I've come to one conclusion...they know how to do public spaces and mass transit better than anywhere that I've been to. This city has battled a bad rep for a long time but they have certainly done a fantastic job of rebuilding from the core outward. I think Detroit could learn many lessons from the growth and redevelopment of Philadelphia.

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It seems anytime anyone goes anywhere it's the best thing they've ever seen and that they do things better than Detroit. It just goes to show how unimpressive the city can be. :)

It's true, though, Detriot could learn a lot from many different places. Though, I heard Philly residents over at Skyscraperpage.com practicaly falling all over the Detroit International Riverfont, and wishing Philly had something like it.

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Yep, same goes for the guys in Toronto. I think that cities all around are unique in themselves and when they "score" with projects or public improvements, infrastructure improvements and the like, people will take notice and have heightened appreciation for the city. Even if it is just "Detroit".

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Hey, I was just wondering if there were any architects on this fourm. I'm currently a sophomore at Michigan State and considering transferring to U of M's Architecture school next year. However one of my dad's friends, who actually is the project manager for the Greektown Casino Hotel, advised me to take up engineering. His reasoning was that architects generally don't make any money and its impossible to find a job....

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There are a couple architects on this board...

It really depends on where you work as to how much you'll make. Larger firms tend to pay higher, and offer better benefits than smaller firms.

And finding a job? Yeah, that's hard to do in this state right now, especially for architects. If you go just about anywhere other than Michigan, your chances of finding a job in the field of architecture greatly improve.

I find engineering interesting, but there's too much math involved, so it's architecture for me. Haha.

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Hi ebukta,

I just graduated with a bachelors degree from U of M's architecture program this year. First off, I will tell you that U of M has a great program, and the university will work FOR YOU to help you in finding a job. They run a program where you choose a city to work in, and they give you an internship for one week only. The majority of students who participate are asked to come back for longer summer internships, and a good chunk receive full time jobs. It worked with me in Chicago.

The job market for architects across the US is good right now. It really depends on what states are building. My friend's firm in Chicago will be hiring 80 new out of college graduates THIS MONTH.

Currently the job market for architects in Michigan is ok. Firms are hiring, but you won't hear from them until you get a degree. So don't be upset if you don't get picked up for an internship.

If you end up having a hard time finding architecture jobs in Detroit (which has been a problem for some people lately), try other regions like the Saginaw area, Grand Rapids, or Ann Arbor where growth is occurring. But that is also a few years down the road for you. So you never know, that could all change.

As far as pay goes. It's about low 40's in Chicago. That's the starting pay, and it will go up when you move up the corporate ladder...which means becoming a licensed architect. Not really sure what it is in Michigan right now as far as pay. Allan, I don't know if that is necessarily true about benefits. A firm of 15 could offer comparable benefits to one of those mega firms. Plus you have a better chance of being promoted.

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Hey, thanks for all the info! It would be nice to stay in Michigan, but at the same time I don't really have a problem moving elsewhere, Chicago would be great!!

Wolverine, are you planning on getting your Masters?

What can architects really top off at?? I know it depends on what your position is. But what is the difference between architects, or project managers, equity partners, or non-principal architects??

I get to go on a tour of the Greektown Hotel in a couple of weeks, should be interesting!

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Well, I know partners that are making low 100's, but it takes a lot of work to become a partner obviously, lol.

I will be getting a masters in urban planning though, not architecture. I plan on starting that 2 year program this fall at U of M. If it doesn't work out, I'll just go back to architecture. I really do enjoy it, despite the fact that I do a lot of CAD work.

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My uncle is a partner at a firm in the Grand Rapids area, and he is also making low 100's. Obviously, not everyone's cut out to be in that position in a firm.

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I love the Lafayette Park neighborhood, but between that and the DMC the street grid sure did go for a tumble. I'm really not so convinced that the freeways completely destroyed the street grid. For instance, 375 runs parallel to all the N/S streets. It would have only required a single row of city blocks to be taken out (including service drives). That would not explain the mess at Lafayette park, which still could have maintained the grid.

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Lafayette Park is the product of urban renewal. Civic leaders at the time thought destroying the neighborhood and starting over from scratch would work. In a way it did, but at the cost of an historic neighborhood.

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I love the Lafayette Park neighborhood, but between that and the DMC the street grid sure did go for a tumble. I'm really not so convinced that the freeways completely destroyed the street grid. For instance, 375 runs parallel to all the N/S streets. It would have only required a single row of city blocks to be taken out (including service drives). That would not explain the mess at Lafayette park, which still could have maintained the grid.
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My statement was actually very ignorant. After looking at the map posted and a current map, I realize just how many streets are cut off at the freeways. It sure would be nice if the highways had been capped or something, at least in the downtown area.

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