GSP International

[gman430]

With airlines all over the spectrum from JetBlue to Delta to Southwest cutting service throughout the country due to various different issues, I don't see GSP landing any new service with current or new airlines any time soon unfortunately. It's gotten so bad in fact that American Airlines is dropping air service and starting bus service instead to several different cities that are close to major airports. Hope GSP doesn't get this same treatment to Charlotte soon. The only hope I see for GSP getting new service would be through maybe Breeze or Avelo. Other than that, I fully expect things to remain neutral in terms of passenger numbers, airlines, flight frequency, destinations, etc. for the foreseeable future. None of this is the airport's fault either. It's just hard right now with one punch coming after another. Everything from Covid to high gas prices to pilot shortages. I do see Cargo service increasing though especially once the expansion gets finished so some good news there.

Edited May 27, 2022 by gman430

[rssgvegas]

On 5/27/2022 at 8:36 AM, gman430 said:

With airlines all over the spectrum from JetBlue to Delta to Southwest cutting service throughout the country due to various different issues, I don't see GSP landing any new service with current or new airlines any time soon unfortunately. It's gotten so bad in fact that American Airlines is dropping air service and starting bus service instead to several different cities that are close to major airports. Hope GSP doesn't get this same treatment to Charlotte soon. The only hope I see for GSP getting new service would be through maybe Breeze or Avelo. Other than that, I fully expect things to remain neutral in terms of passenger numbers, airlines, flight frequency, destinations, etc. for the foreseeable future. None of this is the airport's fault either. It's just hard right now with one punch coming after another. Everything from Covid to high gas prices to pilot shortages. I do see Cargo service increasing though especially once the expansion gets finished so some good news there.

For the record, American is not dropping any air service for their bus service.  ABE-PHL, ACY-PHL, and LNS-PHL are new service additions.    ACY and LNS did not previously have AA flights at all and ABE only had flights to CLT and ORD for AA.

[gman430]

It still shows the struggle airlines are going through currently though. 

So are Thomas Creek and RJ Rockers just continue to pay monthly leases without reopening? Are they just gonna stay closed forever? Them still being closed with 90% of the passenger level returning to pre-Covid levels absolutely baffles me. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by gman430

[rssgvegas]

7 hours ago, gman430 said:

It still shows the struggle airlines are going through currently though. 

So are Thomas Creek and RJ Rockers just continue to pay monthly leases without reopening? Are they just gonna stay closed forever? Them still being closed with 90% of the passenger level returning to pre-Covid levels absolutely baffles me. 

The airport plans to tentatively reopen Thomas Creek in July.  There are no plans right now to reopen RJ Rockers at this time.  The airport continues to use covid as an excuse and states they don't want to spread things thin with too many restaurants.   With Delta being the only airline on the B side, RJ Rockers is the odd man out right now.

[gman430]

Southwest to Houston will be returning to Saturday service according to the new schedule. 

[gman430]

American Airlines to Charlotte will be going from eight flights a day on only the CRJ 900 to seven flights a day in October with two of the flights being on the mainline Airbus 319 with the other five still being on the CRJ 900. Good to see bigger jets will be coming to GSP in the near future. 

Edited June 20, 2022 by gman430

[gman430]

American Airlines who's schedule is all over the place:

Charlotte-Going from 8X daily (all regional planes) to 7X on October 6th with two of the flights being on a mainline Airbus 319 and the other five being on a regional. 

Philadelphia-Going from 2X daily to 3X daily on September 7th then back to 2X daily on October 6th then back to 3X daily on October 30th. All regional planes. 

Miami-Remaining at 1X daily. Regional plane. 

Dallas-This is a fun one to figure out. Going from 3X daily to 2X daily on September 13th. It will be switching back to 3X daily on October 6th with two of the flights being on a mainline Airbus 319 and the third one being on a regional. After that, it goes back to 2X daily on November 3rd with both flights being on a mainline Boeing 737.   

Washington DC-Remaining at 3X daily. All regional planes.

Chicago-Going from 1X daily to 2X on September 7th. All regional planes. 

 

Delta:

New York City-Remaining at 3X daily except for Saturday which is 1X daily. All regional planes. 

Atlanta-Going from 6X daily to 7X daily on July 5th except for Saturday which is 6X daily. One mainline Boeing 737, two mainline Airbus 319, and the rest being Boeing 717.

Detroit-Remaining at 2X daily except for Saturday which is 1X daily. All regional planes. 

 

United:

Denver-Remaining at 1X daily. Regional plane. 

Chicago-Remaining at 3X daily except for Saturday which is 2X daily. Regional planes.

Newark-Remaining at 3X daily except for Saturday which is 2X daily. Regional plane. 

Houston-Remaining at 1X daily. Regional plane. 

Washington DC-No return to service through mid 2023.

 

Southwest:

Atlanta-Remaining at 2X daily.

Houston-Going from Saturday only service to no service on September 10th and returning to Saturday only service on November 12th. 

Baltimore-Remaining at 1X daily.

 

Allegiant:

Ft. Lauderdale-Going from 2X weekly to no service on August 16th. Returning to 2X weekly on November 18th. 

Orlando-Remaining at 2X weekly.

St. Petersburg-Remaining at 2X weekly.

 

Silver:

Jacksonville-No service scheduled through mid 2023. 

Orlando-Remaining at 2X weekly.

Tampa-Remaining at 2X weekly.

 

Contour: 

Nashville-4X weekly service until September 26th. Schedule extension after that coming sometime this week. 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by gman430

[gman430]

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Edited June 20, 2022 by gman430

[tigerman93]

Why is it so hard for us to get a direct Boston flight?

[rssgvegas]

5 hours ago, tigerman93 said:

Why is it so hard for us to get a direct Boston flight?

United has one  on Friday,  October 7th.  Take advantage of it :-)

[gman430]

10 hours ago, tigerman93 said:

Why is it so hard for us to get a direct Boston flight?

Don't expect any new service out of GSP anytime soon due to what's going in with the airline industry right now.  See all of the flight delays and cancellations this past weekend...yeesh. Oh and Delta just cut Boston-Memphis along with Boston-Toronto before they even started.  

Edited June 22, 2022 by gman430

[gman430]

Maybe it’s a good thing we didn’t land Breeze Airways with the news coming out today. Yikes. Charleston is getting hit hard for sure: https://www.postandcourier.com/business/breeze-airways-curtails-multiple-charleston-flights-to-6-destinations-including-las-vegas/article_3fae46c4-f4c9-11ec-aebb-5bb60af6acd1.html

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by gman430

[distortedlogic]

Sounds like it may be mostly due to staffing shortages,  which is happening everywhere, still plans to start routes later in the year. I don't kow... 

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/breeze-cuts-routes-delays-expansion-due-to-staff-shortages/149186.article

[PuppiesandKittens]

I see that Clear is now available at GSP.  

[gman430]

GSP has $293 million in capital project improvements planned for the next five years, including:

• $240 million terminal expansion that will add at least five new gates, an additional baggage claim facility and a new federal inspection station.
• $10.5 million roadway realignment and curbside improvements to ease traffic congestion and prepare for the terminal expansion.
• $7.5 million for a 25,000-square-foot general aviation hangar facility with 5,000 square feet of related office space.
• $5.2 million for additional taxiway and parking aprons to double the number of cargo aircraft the airport can serve simultaneously.

https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/business-news/greenville-spartanburg-airport-leaders-plan-for-measured-growth-but-no-space-flights-anytime-soon/

[distortedlogic]

17 hours ago, gman430 said:

GSP has $293 million in capital project improvements planned for the next five years, including:

• $240 million terminal expansion that will add at least five new gates, an additional baggage claim facility and a new federal inspection station.
• $10.5 million roadway realignment and curbside improvements to ease traffic congestion and prepare for the terminal expansion.
• $7.5 million for a 25,000-square-foot general aviation hangar facility with 5,000 square feet of related office space.
• $5.2 million for additional taxiway and parking aprons to double the number of cargo aircraft the airport can serve simultaneously.

https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/business-news/greenville-spartanburg-airport-leaders-plan-for-measured-growth-but-no-space-flights-anytime-soon/

This is good to see. I am guessing the addition of 5-6 gates is based on the projection for growth over the coming x number of years. Many of us have been waiting for the tipping point when GSP can finally get some western and even international flights, even if it's just Canada and Mexico.  Don't need to rehash the ATL/CLT aspect, but with a CSA of 1.5 MM, a strong business economy and a growing tourism draw, you would think we could land some of those.

[rssgvegas]

54 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

This is good to see. I am guessing the addition of 5-6 gates is based on the projection for growth over the coming x number of years. Many of us have been waiting for the tipping point when GSP can finally get some western and even international flights, even if it's just Canada and Mexico.  Don't need to rehash the ATL/CLT aspect, but with a CSA of 1.5 MM, a strong business economy and a growing tourism draw, you would think we could land some of those.

There really aren't enough gates right now.  If it wasn't for the PSA MX base then GSP would really be in trouble with overnight parking.  At least a couple planes a night go straight in for scheduled MX each night and don't have to take up a gate.  Even now from time time time multiple airlines have to tow planes on and off gates overnight b/c of the lack of space.

[NewlyUpstate]

Did GSP request grant money from the infrastructure bill? I see we did not make the list . Neither did CLT which I found interesting. ATL was granted $40MM and AVL was granted $15MM for a new ATC and terminal expansion.

https://aboutbgov.com/3Qc

 

Edit: this list is just the first approval list of $1B in projects. The bill set aside $5B for airports, so more to come I imagine.

Edited July 8, 2022 by NewlyUpstate

[gman430]

For May 2022, passenger traffic was 86.5% of 2019 traffic levels. Preliminary passenger numbers for June 2022 are currently trending at a 82.1% recovery level. In May 2022 passenger traffic reflects a 31.1% increase over the same month in 2021. Cargo numbers for May 2022 were down 1.0% for the same period. Passenger load factors were up 7.8% for the month, at an average of 86.6%. 

 

200,191 passengers in May 2022 vs 152,755 passengers in May 2021. 

 

Providing a look forward into the service levels for August 2022 is a schedule comparison for the month vs the same month last year, including flights and seats by airline and non-stop markets served. Currently in the schedules, GSP flights are down at 6.9%, and seats are down at 5.6%.

Load factors for May 2022-

Allegiant: 89.9%

American: 87.7%

Contour: 66.2%

Delta: 91%

Silver: 86%

Southwest: 69%

United: 91.5%
 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by gman430

[gman430]

GSP Airport has entered into a preliminary development agreement with Plenary Americas in conjunction with 2getthere, ZF Group, and Oceaneering for the ATN project for $3.1 million. Total cost of project is around $86 million. RS&H will act as the concept/environmental engineering firm for the project. RFP slated to be issued in October 2022. Contractor slated to be selected in February 2023 with construction slated to start in November 2023. 

 

 

The Project will include:

-Nine GRT vehicles which holds 12 passengers each 

-Seven at-grade parking lot stations and one main terminal station, each with weather shelter, and real-time passenger information displays

-Electric charging infrastructure to enable continuous, zero-emission operation of the GRT vehicles

-A total of approximately 1.2 miles of dedicated corridors, designed to accommodate additional vehicle uses in the future
as autonomous technology evolves

-A baseline design which includes 75% at-grade (two crossings at grade) and the remaining portions elevated

-An ATN system intended to connect the existing Economy Lots (1, 2, and 3) and the Employee Lot to the terminal.

-A central control center and maintenance facility

 

 

Routes:

Route 1: Terminal 1 (T1) to Economy Lot 3 (S3) to the Employee Lot (S7), and then return to Economy Lot 1 (S3)and subsequently Terminal 1 (T1).

Route 2: Terminal 1 (T1) to two parking stations on Economy Lot 1 (S4 & S5), and then return to Terminal 1 (T1).
 

Route 3: Terminal 1 (T1) to two parking stations on Economy Lot 2 (S2 & S1), and then return to Terminal 1 (T1).

 

 

Stations:

Terminal main station: T1 with three independent berths

Intermediate stations: S2 with one berth located at both sides of the track, S3 and S4 with one berth located at one side of the track.

End stations: S1, S5, and S7 with one berth each.

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by gman430

[gman430]

The $65 million that was for airports statewide had been cut to $10 million by the Senate. It remained at $65 million in the House. I am not sure which one won out in the overall budget that was approved recently. 

Turner has been selected as the general contractor for the landslide roadway improvement project. Construction to start Fall 2022. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by gman430

[PuppiesandKittens]

How does AVL have mainline American Airlines planes and nonstop flights on American to NYC, while GSP-a larger airport-does not?

[gman430]

22 minutes ago, PuppiesandKittens said:

How does AVL have mainline American Airlines planes and nonstop flights on American to NYC, while GSP-a larger airport-does not?

One word: tourism. 

[motonenterprises]

3 hours ago, gman430 said:

One word: tourism. 

Still doesn't add up. GSP has more traffic.

[rssgvegas]

3 hours ago, PuppiesandKittens said:

How does AVL have mainline American Airlines planes and nonstop flights on American to NYC, while GSP-a larger airport-does not?

Since when does AA do mainline to NYC?  As far as I knew they do Sat only service on Republic 175's.