GSP International

[gman430]

Oh my...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-sends-deltas-march-revenue-down-airline-to-slash-capacity-by-70percent.html

[apaladin]

Is it really worth bringing down this great country of ours because some people will get sick from something other than what they are used to getting sick from? According to experts these things run there course anyway.  According to the cdc the way to get this is from someone sneezing or coughing. It is not transmittted thru the air. It’s possible to get it from a surface but the risk is very low. It can stay on a surface for up to 72 hours but it diminishes each hour.  This thing is going to have far reaching effects if things don’t get back to normal soon which is very, very doubtful. Companies are going to go bankrupt and many won’t come back. Like someone said, it is an election year. Makes you wonder. 

[motonenterprises]

1 hour ago, apaladin said:

Is it really worth bringing down this great country of ours because some people will get sick from something other than what they are used to getting sick from? According to experts these things run there course anyway.  According to the cdc the way to get this is from someone sneezing or coughing. It is not transmittted thru the air. It’s possible to get it from a surface but the risk is very low. It can stay on a surface for up to 72 hours but it diminishes each hour.  This thing is going to have far reaching effects if things don’t get back to normal soon which is very, very doubtful. Companies are going to go bankrupt and many won’t come back. Like someone said, it is an election year. Makes you wonder. 

It's not a country thing, it's a world thing. If you don't stop the spread it could get pretty bad. There are not enough medical staff, beds, equipment; or hospitals to handle a serious spread. The elderly and others at risk of death from this count too.

Should their life be sacrificed so we can make money? You can replace money, you can't replace a life. They're doing this for a reason. If we were the experts we probably wouldn't be on here giving our opinions. We'd be in Washington trying to help figure this thing out.

Again. World problem not only country problem. I've always jokingly said that if we came under an alien invasion, the world would be doomed because we're selfish and can't work together. We're greatly separated. Divide and conquer. This is an example in my opinion.

We. The world not just the country will rebound financially. Rant over.

Edited March 18, 2020 by motonenterprises

[Danmire]

Quit with the election year conspiracy theories.  Actually educate yourself on the severity of Covid-19.  Currently the mortality rate of this strain in the US  is 1.6%.   The mortality rate in Italy is 7.9%.  Flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.  These measures are being taken so we don't become Italy.  35 Million people contracted the Flu last year.  35,000 died.  With a mortality rate of 1.6% and if the infected rise to flu levels at 35 million that is 560,000 deaths.  Covid-19 has also proven to be more communicable than the flu that at least a third of the US population could be infected.  Also there are the knock on effects of the health system being overrun with covid-19 cases taking beds that would normally be used for other sicknesses and illnesses that people need hospitalization for.  Listen to the experts not the pundits.  This is serious.  The steps being taken now are to save lives. 

Quit peddling in these lies.  Take it seriously.

[StrangeCock]

3 hours ago, apaladin said:

Is it really worth bringing down this great country of ours because some people will get sick from something other than what they are used to getting sick from? According to experts these things run there course anyway.  According to the cdc the way to get this is from someone sneezing or coughing. It is not transmittted thru the air. It’s possible to get it from a surface but the risk is very low. It can stay on a surface for up to 72 hours but it diminishes each hour.  This thing is going to have far reaching effects if things don’t get back to normal soon which is very, very doubtful. Companies are going to go bankrupt and many won’t come back. Like someone said, it is an election year. Makes you wonder. 

You know what else has far reaching effects? 2 million Americans dying. They won't be coming back. The stock market will.

[distortedlogic]

Well numbers for the last pre-covid19 month, February, are in. GSP had another good month. Numbers up 8.7% to 182,882, the highest Feb ever. Looks like the rest of the year will be way down. 

[rssgvegas]

Frontier is about to quietly pull out of GSP for good.  Last flights scheduled for April 19th.

[gman430]

48 minutes ago, rssgvegas said:

Frontier is about to quietly pull out of GSP for good.  Last flights scheduled for April 19th.

Well, that sucks. There goes our passenger increase numbers for a long time to come. Luckily, it’s not one of the bigger carriers at GSP in terms of number of passengers that fly them per month. Any chance they could come back once this Coronavirus stuff is over with and the economy rebounds?

Edited March 23, 2020 by gman430

[apaladin]

I only flew them one time roundtrp to Denver. Both flights were full and they had big planes. They should have kept the Vegas flight. 

[distortedlogic]

5 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Frontier is about to quietly pull out of GSP for good.  Last flights scheduled for April 19th.

Source? I would be surprised.  Perhaps this is just a cut in service for the virus shutdown. Their load factors have been quite good.

[rssgvegas]

9 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Source? I would be surprised.  Perhaps this is just a cut in service for the virus shutdown. Their load factors have been quite good.

Can't really give a source and I certainly understand the internet is a "take it with a grain of salt" type place.  Just pay attention around the date I posted.  And this would be permanent, not virus related.

[gman430]

4 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

Source? I would be surprised.  Perhaps this is just a cut in service for the virus shutdown. Their load factors have been quite good.

I checked the schedule and the flights are indeed cut after that date. Unfortunately, I don’t think this is Coronavirus related. If it was the flights would be getting cancelled now not a month from now.  

Edited March 24, 2020 by gman430

[distortedlogic]

12 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Can't really give a source and I certainly understand the internet is a "take it with a grain of salt" type place.  Just pay attention around the date I posted.  And this would be permanent, not virus related.

Can't give a source because you're not allowed or because it's just conjecture? Without a source this sounds like one of Gman's "this is dead " stab in the dark posts. You may well be right, but I don't think it would be due to lack of demand or passenger participation. They may be needing to restructure for a bit with the current state of air travel.  I've heard them advertising on the radio as recently as last week though. 

[gman430]

16 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Can't give a source because you're not allowed or because it's just conjecture? Without a source this sounds like one of Gman's "this is dead " stab in the dark posts. You may well be right, but I don't think it would be due to lack of demand or passenger participation. They may be needing to restructure for a bit with the current state of air travel.  I've heard them advertising on the radio as recently as last week though. 

Frontier Airlines at GSP is dead.  

[gman430]

[gman430]

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2020/03/24/coronavirus-updates-sc-cases-near-300-greenville-curfew-developments/2904516001/

[distortedlogic]

2 hours ago, gman430 said:

This is what I suspected, no surprise.  Hopefully we'll have a good chance at getting them back when/if  things get back to "normal." 

[rssgvegas]

9 hours ago, distortedlogic said:

Can't give a source because you're not allowed or because it's just conjecture? Without a source this sounds like one of Gman's "this is dead " stab in the dark posts. You may well be right, but I don't think it would be due to lack of demand or passenger participation. They may be needing to restructure for a bit with the current state of air travel.  I've heard them advertising on the radio as recently as last week though. 

Can't out the source.   They also weren't doing well before the outbreak.   Loads had dropped dramatically and was part of the reason routes that weren't initially announced as seasonal became seasonal.   Lots of flights weren't even 1/3 full in December and January, at least in the summer they were respectable.   They weren't making money, but were committed with incentives.   The virus actually gave them an out to the incentives and they took it.    The airport will blame it on the virus and no one will be the wiser of it!

[distortedlogic]

2 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Can't out the source.   They also weren't doing well before the outbreak.   Loads had dropped dramatically and was part of the reason routes that weren't initially announced as seasonal became seasonal.   Lots of flights weren't even 1/3 full in December and January, at least in the summer they were respectable.   They weren't making money, but were committed with incentives.   The virus actually gave them an out to the incentives and they took it.    The airport will blame it on the virus and no one will be the wiser of it!

Not according to load factors which were running in the upper 70s to mid 80s. We'll see what happens but I see reason to be much more optimistic than you.

[gman430]

2 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Can't out the source.   They also weren't doing well before the outbreak.   Loads had dropped dramatically and was part of the reason routes that weren't initially announced as seasonal became seasonal.   Lots of flights weren't even 1/3 full in December and January, at least in the summer they were respectable.   They weren't making money, but were committed with incentives.   The virus actually gave them an out to the incentives and they took it.    The airport will blame it on the virus and no one will be the wiser of it!

I tend to disagree. Their load factors were actually fairly high according to the statistics from GSP. Even higher than Southwest. Luckily, Frontier only took up 3% of the market share which is the lowest by any airline at GSP so the loss shouldn’t be very noticeable in terms of overall passenger numbers. 

Edited March 25, 2020 by gman430

[rssgvegas]

45 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

Not according to load factors which were running in the upper 70s to mid 80s. We'll see what happens but I see reason to be much more optimistic than you.

Load factors for the end of summer were barely over 70% in August and not much better in September.  Their yields dropped big time just to get pax and they still had a load factor in the 60's in Jan.   An airline like Frontier that already has low yields to begin with needs to be running in the mid 80's to 90% load factor.  When they aren't near there and you have to drop the yields on top of that, well, that is a recipe for disaster!   Charlotte is doing 87% load factors for F9, Atlanta 88%.  That's where GSP needed to be!

[motonenterprises]

8 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Load factors for the end of summer were barely over 70% in August and not much better in September.  Their yields dropped big time just to get pax and they still had a load factor in the 60's in Jan.   An airline like Frontier that already has low yields to begin with needs to be running in the mid 80's to 90% load factor.  When they aren't near there and you have to drop the yields on top of that, well, that is a recipe for disaster!   Charlotte is doing 87% load factors for F9, Atlanta 88%.  That's where GSP needed to be!

Those are much larger airports though. I agree with the other posters on this. No disrespect intended.

[distortedlogic]

29 minutes ago, motonenterprises said:

Those are much larger airports though. I agree with the other posters on this. No disrespect intended.

Be on the lookout, this posting style looks familiar.

[gman430]

12 hours ago, rssgvegas said:

Load factors for the end of summer were barely over 70% in August and not much better in September.  Their yields dropped big time just to get pax and they still had a load factor in the 60's in Jan.   An airline like Frontier that already has low yields to begin with needs to be running in the mid 80's to 90% load factor.  When they aren't near there and you have to drop the yields on top of that, well, that is a recipe for disaster!   Charlotte is doing 87% load factors for F9, Atlanta 88%.  That's where GSP needed to be!

If an airline can’t survive with a load factor in the 70’s then they shouldn’t even be in business. 

[motonenterprises]

1 hour ago, gman430 said:

If an airline can’t survive with a load factor in the 70’s then they shouldn’t even be in business. 

Agreed. Shut down the whole business.