Dallas vs Atlanta

[dgreen]

Dallas wins this. Nokia, Ericcsonm Nortel an other giants are in Dallas.

Dallas is much bigger too.

Wish Marta would come west to Thornton Rd.

[GaTechGuy]

Dallas is bigger but I'm not so sure that it beats Atlanta in the corporate world.

Atlanta is the location for the headquarters of Delta, UPS, Georgia Pacific, Bellsouth, Coca-Cola, Home Depot, The Southern Company and six other fortune 500 companies. In fact Atlanta is the home of more fortune 500 companies than any other city in America with the exception of New York (with 40) and Houston (with 18).

In addition to all that there is a big TV presence here. There's CNN and all the Turner owned networks like Cartoon Network, TNN, TNT, Turner South and TCM.

[Spades]

But Dallas is still the larger television and radio market. The DFW metro is home to American Airlines, Southwest, Frito Lays, Texas Instruments, 7-11, Blockbuster, Centex Corp, Exxon and a few more. It can hold its on in the corporate level. There will be more moving there in a couple years from California and Germany.

This is the Dallas plans for expansion of the Dart.

Southeast Corridor - Downtown to Pleasant Grove 10.1 miles

Downtown to Fair Park (SE-1A) 2.7 miles / June 2009

Fair Park to Hatcher (SE-1B) 1.4 miles / December 2009

Hatcher to Buckner Blvd (Pleasant Grove Transit Center) (SE-2) / 6.0 miles / December 2010

Northwest Corridor - Downtown to Carrollton 17.6 miles

Downtown to American Airlines Center/Victory Station (NW-1A) / 1.2 miles / November 2004

Victory Station to Inwood Station (NW-1B) / 2.8 miles / December 2009

Inwood Station to Northwest Highway (NW-2) / 3.2 miles / December 2010

Northwest Highway to Valley View (Farmers Branch) (NW-3) / 4.9 miles / December 2010

Valley View to Frankford Rd. (North Carrollton) (NW-4) / 5.5 miles / December 2010

Northwest Corridor - Northwest Hwy to DFW Airport 13.2 miles

Northwest Highway to Las Colinas Urban Center (I-1) / 4.7 miles / December 2011

Las Colinas Urban Center to State Highway 161 (I-2) / 3.4 miles / December 2012

State Highway 161 to D/FW Airport (I-3) / 5.1 miles / December 2013

Other Line Sections

Northeast - Downtown Garland to Rowlett Park & Ride (R-1) / 5.3 miles / December 2012

Central Business District - New Line through Downtown / --- miles / June 2013

South Oak Cliff - Loop 12 to LBJ Freeway (I-20) / 3.0 miles / October 2018

[dgreen]

DART will cover most of Dallas.

Marta (ATL) take notes please!

[socaguy]

Dallas by itself is no bigger than (or at least it seems to me) Atlanta. Now when Ft. Worth is added into the equation then yes, the metro gets bigger. Dallas is a little more organized and gridded (easier to get around in) than Atlanta. Atlanta is more progressive though and has more of a liberal feel to it.

[Spades]

Atlanta is probably more liberal. But let's not make the mistake that Dallas is a conservative city because it's not. In fact it's probably more liberal than it is conservative.Both are pretty progessive though.

[bobliocatt]

Dallas is bigger but I'm not so sure that it beats Atlanta in the corporate world.

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If we're talking about metro areas and number of Fortune 500 companies, then Dallas does beat Atlanta in the corporate world. I've never been to Dallas, but it sure is an interesting place with decent rail options, when viewed from Google Earth. In addition to the commuter rail line, connecting downtown Fort Worth and the red & blue light rail lines, it also has a streetcar system as well.

[catdaddy]

ATL wins it just its whole hip hop culture.

[Spades]

ATL wins it just its whole hip hop culture.

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what the hell?

[krazeeboi]

ATL wins it just its whole hip hop culture.

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That's hardly an indicator that a city is doing well.

[GaTechGuy]

If we're talking about metro areas and number of Fortune 500 companies, then Dallas does beat Atlanta in the corporate world.

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I looked at the 2004 F-500 list and counted up all the companies for each metro. I came out with 14 in the Dallas Metro and 14 in the Atlanta Metro.

Dallas-

Exxon-Mobil 213.199 (2nd)

Texas U Corp. 11.325 (177th)

Texas Instruments 9.834 (197th)

SouthWest Airlines 5.937 (310th)

Affiliated Computer Services 3.7872 (445th)

Brinker International 3.285 (492nd)

Forth Worth-

AMR Corp. 17.44 (110th)

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp. 9.413 (210th)

Radio Shack Corp. 4.649 (378th)

Plano-

J.C. Penny Co. 32.923 (43rd)

Electronic Data Systems 21.596 (87th)

Triad Hospitals Inc. 3.966 (436th)

Irving-

Kimberly-Clark Corp. 14.348 (141st)

Advance PCS Inc. 14.111 (143rd)

Atlanta-

Home Depot 64.816 (13th)

UPS 33.485 (42nd)

Bellsouth 22.635 (80th)

Coca-Cola Co. 21.044 (91st)

Georgia Pacific 20.255 (94th)

Coca-Cola Enterprises Inc. 17.33 (112th)

Delta 13.303 (150th)

The Southern Co. 11.251 (178th)

Genuine Parts Co. 8.449 (244th)

Suntrust Banks Inc. 7.071 (272nd)

Mirant Corp. 5.863 (314th)

Cox Communications Inc 5.759 (318th)

Alpharetta-

Newell-Rubbermaid Inc. 7.750 (251st)

Duluth-

AGCO Corp. 3.495 (476th)

Note: I left out AFLAC in Columbus and Mohawk Industries in Calhoun on purpose because I don't think those cities are part of the ATL metro.

So each metro has 14 unless I made a mistake.

The total Revenue of Dallas' companies comes to 365.8132 Billion (58% of which comes from Exxon-Mobil) and an average of 26 billion a company.

The total Revenue of Atlanta's companies comes to a much smaller 242.506 Billion and an average of 17 billion a company.

The average position of a Dallas company on the F-500 list is 227.

The average position of an Atlanta company on the F-500 list is 188.

So I guess someone could make a case that either city is higher in the corporate world but I think the evidence shows that Dallas is higher due to the giant Exxon-Mobile company. So in short, I change my mind.

[NCB]

Great figures GatechGuy...I always thought Atlanta was higher then Dallas in the corporate world...but I guess it could go either way.

[teshadoh]

Mirant is still a Fortune 500 company? Just wondering, I searched & didn't find anything to refute that - but it appears that they may be on their way out by now.

[GaTechGuy]

Great figures GatechGuy...I always thought Atlanta was higher then Dallas in the corporate world...but I guess it could go either way.

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Yeah, I think that Atlanta has higher profile companies that might give people the wrong impression, but it can hold its own. I would certainly rank it as a top 5 corporate center in the US.

[GaTechGuy]

Okay so that previous list I used was a year old. These are the 2005 statistics. The Dallas Metro has 18 F-500 Companies while Atlanta only has 15.

Atlanta Metro-

(13) Home Depot 73,094.0

(42) UPS 36,582.0

(87) BellSouth 22,729.0

(92) Coca-Cola 21,962.0

(109) Georgia-Pacific 19,876.0

(123) Coca-Cola Enterprises 18,158.0

(138) Delta Air Lines 15,002.0

(180) Southern Co. 11,902.0

(245) Genuine Parts 9,097.3

(273) SunTrust Banks 7,822.8

(304) Newell Rubbermaid 6,919.6

(322) Cox Communications 6,425.0

(374) AGCO 5,273.3

(424) Mirant 4,572.0

(473) Beazer Homes USA 3,907.1

Dallas Metro-

(2) Exxon Mobil 270,772.0

(74) J.C. Penney 25,678.0

(95) Electronic Data Systems 21,033.0

(119) AMR 18,645.0

(135) Kimberly-Clark 15,400.9

(166) Texas Instruments 12,580.0

(169) Tenet Healthcare 12,496.0

(195) TXU 11,161.0

(200) Burlington No. Santa Fe 10,946.0

(203) D.R. Horton 10,840.8

(204) Centex 10,825.3

(205) Dean Foods 10,822.3

(318) Southwest Airlines 6,530.0

(399) RadioShack 4,841.2

(404) Commercial Metals 4,768.3

(426) Triad Hospitals 4,533.5

(460) Affiliated Computer Svcs. 4,106.4

(492) Brinker International 3,707.5

Dallas' Company's total revenue= 459.683 Billion (+93.87 Billion from '04)

*59% of Dallas' revenue came from Exxon-Mobil and 61% of their revenue increase came from Exxon-Mobil

Atlanta's Company's total revenue= 263.32 Billion (+20.814 Billion from '04)

Dallas' Company's average revenue= 25.538 Billion(about the same as '04)

Atlanta's Company's average revenue= 17.555 Billion (about the same as '04)

Average rank of a Dallas F-500 Company= 237 (+10 from '04)

Average rank of an Atlanta F-500 Company= 213 (+25 from '04)

I think the Dallas Metro has a clear lead.

[NCB]

Okay so that previous list I used was a year old. These are the 2005 statistics. The Dallas Metro has 18 F-500 Companies while Atlanta only has 15.

Atlanta Metro-

(13) Home Depot  73,094.0

(42) UPS  36,582.0

(87) BellSouth  22,729.0

(92) Coca-Cola  21,962.0

(109) Georgia-Pacific  19,876.0

(123) Coca-Cola Enterprises  18,158.0

(138) Delta Air Lines  15,002.0

(180) Southern Co.  11,902.0

(245) Genuine Parts  9,097.3

(273) SunTrust Banks  7,822.8

(304) Newell Rubbermaid  6,919.6

(322) Cox Communications  6,425.0

(374) AGCO  5,273.3

(424) Mirant  4,572.0

(473) Beazer Homes USA  3,907.1

Dallas Metro-

(2) Exxon Mobil  270,772.0

(74) J.C. Penney  25,678.0

(95) Electronic Data Systems  21,033.0

(119) AMR  18,645.0

(135) Kimberly-Clark  15,400.9

(166) Texas Instruments  12,580.0

(169) Tenet Healthcare  12,496.0

(195) TXU  11,161.0

(200) Burlington No. Santa Fe  10,946.0

(203) D.R. Horton  10,840.8

(204) Centex  10,825.3

(205) Dean Foods  10,822.3

(318) Southwest Airlines  6,530.0

(399) RadioShack  4,841.2

(404) Commercial Metals  4,768.3

(426) Triad Hospitals  4,533.5

(460) Affiliated Computer Svcs.  4,106.4

(492) Brinker International  3,707.5

Dallas' Company's total revenue= 459.683 Billion (+93.87 Billion from '04)

*59% of Dallas' revenue came from Exxon-Mobil and 61% of their revenue increase came from Exxon-Mobil

Atlanta's Company's total revenue= 263.32 Billion (+20.814 Billion from '04)

Dallas' Company's average revenue= 25.538 Billion(about the same as '04)

Atlanta's Company's average revenue= 17.555 Billion (about the same as '04)

Average rank of a Dallas F-500 Company= 237 (+10 from '04)

Average rank of an Atlanta F-500 Company= 213 (+25 from '04)

I think the Dallas Metro has a clear lead.

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Most definately Dallas is ahead , but both cities obviously are doig very well..Having 15 f-500 companies in your metro area is definately something to be proud of..congrats to both Atlanta and Dallas

[teshadoh]

Out of curiosity - these are the Fortune 500 companies within the city limits of Atlanta:

(87) BellSouth 22,729.0 - Midtown

(92) Coca-Cola 21,962.0 - Midtown

(109) Georgia-Pacific 19,876.0 - Downtown

(123) Coca-Cola Enterprises 18,158.0 - Buckhead

(180) Southern Co. 11,902.0 - Downtown

(273) SunTrust Banks 7,822.8 - Downtown

Would be interested which areas Dallas's hq's are located...

[Spades]

This is all I got from the Dallas city limits.

177. TexasU Corp., Dallas, 134, $11.325

197. Texas Instruments Inc., Dallas, 223, $9.834

218. Dean Foods Co., Dallas, 201, $9.185

219. Centex Corp., Dallas, 241, $9.117

310. Southwest Airlines Co., Dallas, 306, $5.937

445. Affiliated Computer Services Inc., Dallas, 488, $3.7872

492. Brinker International Inc., Dallas, 507, $3.285

[NCB]

So even with companies are WITHIN the city limits, it basically came out the same, Dallas has more companies, but Atlanta's companies are higher up.

hmm....

[teshadoh]

Spades - I thought Texas Instruments was headquartered in downtown Fort Worth. What happened?

Also, would someone be able to determine where in Dallas, just to compare CBD & edge city locations. Just find it interesting - that's all.

[eastsider]

Spades - I thought Texas Instruments was headquartered in downtown Fort Worth.  What happened?

Also, would someone be able to determine where in Dallas, just to compare CBD & edge city locations.  Just find it interesting - that's all.

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This is the best I can tell about where in Dallas they are located.

#166 Texas Instruments - N. Dallas, LBJ Freeway

#169 Tenet Healthcare - N. Dallas, Galleria

#195 TXU - Downtown

#204 Centex - Uptown

#205 Dean Foods - Uptown

#318 Southwest Airlines - Love Field

#460 Affiliated Computer Services - Uptown

#492 Brinker International - N. Dallas, LBJ Freeway

BTW, maybe you were thinking of RadioShack, which is headquartered in Fort Worth.

[teshadoh]

Tandy - I was thinking of Tandy's headquarters, which owned Radio Shack.

[Plasticman]

I voted for Dallas because I like they're buildings a little bit more.It looks more dense.

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Not really. Driving north through downtown, there is one point where there are huge skyscrapers very densly laid out. While I agree Dallas is an awesome city, Atlanta has the edge in a skyline because they have several, not just one. Go and drive the 285 loop and there are nice highrise clusters up to 580 ft. tall that would make any city proud by themselves.

[Aporkalypse]

Not really.  Driving north through downtown, there is one point where there are huge skyscrapers very densly laid out.  While I agree Dallas is an awesome city, Atlanta has the edge in a skyline because they have several, not just one.  Go and drive the 285 loop and there are nice highrise clusters up to 580 ft. tall that would make any city proud by themselves.

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They're pretty similar, in my opinion.

However, Ft Worth's skyline is fairly impressive in its own right.

[Plasticman]

They're pretty similar, in my opinion.

However, Ft Worth's skyline is fairly impressive in its own right.

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Yes, Ft. Worth is impressive. It would be like having Atlanta with Nashville 30 miles away. Sort of an overlap.